Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 10:07 +0200, Michael wrote: Hi, Thanks for your answer, but still there is something I don't get. Am 19.09.2011 um 20:49 schrieb Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: PS: I'm not using Rosegarden. It might be that Rosegarden did show general MIDI information, even if no plug-in is loaded. E.g. the default might be 1 Acoustic Grand Piano. Perhaps Rosegarden than send the so called program change MIDI event, that will switch to sound number 1, but it won't play a audible note, because no plug-in synth is loaded, resp. no synth is connected to MIDI out. Let me try to put it in my words: rosegarden shows general midi information for any possible sw or hw synth here that has to be connected in order to get something out of the speakers. If this is true, I wonder where Acoustic grand piano comes from, because (if I understand all of this correctly) the sound itself is done by the synth and not by the sequencer. So the sequencer shouldn't know anything about the names of the soundfonts that are loaded by the synth, it should only display eg the name of the connection itself eg midi connection 1 that is communicating with the synth, correct? If I am right, I wonder about the name of the midi information in rosegarden. Does anybody know if the naming here is some kind of rest from a synth that was eg included in rosegarden (which is a possible explanation of the naming here to me)? This seems to be bad coding by the Rosegarden coders. I suspect that they refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_MIDI, instead of just using numbers, they perhaps add names. If so, it would be very stupid. The only advantage of Rosegarden is, that it has got a notation software included. I don't need this. Do you need notation printing? Notation... Well, let me put it that way: Normal musicians in rock music (as a wide definition of what I like) shouldn't ever need to write down their stuff because after all, they know what they are playing. If you ever become famous, of course, there is a possibility that you may forget some parts of old songs, but then you still have the internet :) In this context, there is the story from Steve Harris (Iron Maiden) who replied to the question why they don't play Alexander the great anymore live: Because Adrian can't remember the solo. I am not sure if the story is true, but it shows that learning notation could be useful :) I'm unable to read notes, when I privately taught music somebody wished to get information about rules for composing. Just before the leassons I visited a public library and read about music theory and notes. I told him, that it's stupid, but he payed me, so I gave him, what he wanted. You learn playing Rock music in the streets, not by books. 2 Cents YMMV. Great, Dennis -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB
OT: You learn playing Rock music in the streets, not by books. 2 Cents YMMV. There're some exceptions, e.g. Original Hendrix by Steve Tarish. An annotated guide to the guitar technique of Jimi Hendrix. ISBN 0-7119-0015-9, UK Order No. AM 30040, It's from 1982 To the spirit of Jimi Hendrix; and those who raise their freak flag high Hendrix did very interesting chord playing, not just power chords, learning Hendrix is comparable to jazz comping, but it's still Rock'n'Roll. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB
*lol* Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net To: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net Subject: Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:59:30 +0200 PPS: On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 10:48 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: OT: You learn playing Rock music in the streets, not by books. 2 Cents YMMV. There're some exceptions, e.g. Original Hendrix by Steve Tarish. An annotated guide to the guitar technique of Jimi Hendrix. ISBN 0-7119-0015-9, UK Order No. AM 30040, It's from 1982 To the spirit of Jimi Hendrix; and those who raise their freak flag high Hendrix did very interesting chord playing, not just power chords, learning Hendrix is comparable to jazz comping, but it's still Rock'n'Roll. And it doesn't harm to get the Real Book, unfortunately you need to suffer, because of notes, but it's amazing. I don't own a the real Book :(. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Book I'm born in 1966, the guys who own the Real Book usually are around 10 years older, there seems to be a New legal Real Book, never have seen this one. Note, I'm a Pop-Rock-Musician, but there's nothing bad with those Jazz standards. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB
Von meinem iPad gesendet Am 20.09.2011 um 10:22 schrieb Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 10:07 +0200, plug-in synth is loaded, resp. no synth is connected to MIDI out. This seems to be bad coding by the Rosegarden coders. I suspect that they refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_MIDI, instead of just using numbers, they perhaps add names. If so, it would be very stupid. Well, different people, different art of coding, I guess. But this does not influence any correct way in the context. We cannot change this, but we should keep this in mind here on the mailing list, I suggest. You learn playing Rock music in the streets, not by books. 2 Cents YMMV. I wouldn't completely agree on this. I guess we can compare music with language here. If you want to learn a language, you first have to learn the basic vocabulary. Of course, you then learn by speaking (=playing your instrument). But if you don't keep up with the basics, you can not get on a higher level. Therefor, musical theory helps you not only to get better, but also to have more fun, because if you know more, it's more easy to express your feelings/thoughts via this way. Just my cents. Greets, Dennis -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB
Hi, first of allthanks for your answer. MIDI isn't a protocol for sound and MIDI devices don't generate sound, the Oxygen 8 is a controller keyboard. I am aware of this - I am sorry if I didn't mention this. If your Oxygen 8 isn't connected to a software synthesizer on your computer (such as a DSSI synth or a soundfont engine in Rosegarden) or a hardware synth or sound module, you'll never hear anything, whether connected with a DIN connector or MIDI over USB. Well, as I am beginner in midi, I just thought that I might get a sound when having chosed General MIDI Device and under it Acoustic Grand Piano in the section Wiedergabeparameter. I just assumed that somehow, Rosegarden has integrated a software synth here. Am I completely wrong? Anyhow, when I select Synth Plugin under Wiedergabeparameter and then eg Xsynth DSSI plugin as Paramter for the instrument, I perfectly hear something. Also, I am able to get sound via ZynAddSubFX. But I still want to understand how rosegarden is working here - can somebody please explain me where my brain went wrong? Greets, Dennis -- NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurück-Garantie! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 20:13 +0200, dennism...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, first of allthanks for your answer. MIDI isn't a protocol for sound and MIDI devices don't generate sound, the Oxygen 8 is a controller keyboard. I am aware of this - I am sorry if I didn't mention this. If your Oxygen 8 isn't connected to a software synthesizer on your computer (such as a DSSI synth or a soundfont engine in Rosegarden) or a hardware synth or sound module, you'll never hear anything, whether connected with a DIN connector or MIDI over USB. Well, as I am beginner in midi, I just thought that I might get a sound when having chosed General MIDI Device and under it Acoustic Grand Piano in the section Wiedergabeparameter. I just assumed that somehow, Rosegarden has integrated a software synth here. Am I completely wrong? Anyhow, when I select Synth Plugin under Wiedergabeparameter and then eg Xsynth DSSI plugin as Paramter for the instrument, I perfectly hear something. Also, I am able to get sound via ZynAddSubFX. But I still want to understand how rosegarden is working here - can somebody please explain me where my brain went wrong? Greets, Dennis Very simple, Rosegarden is a sequencer, just recording MIDI events. It doesn't produce sound. Xsynth, ZynAddSubFX etc. are soft synth that are independent of Rosegarden, Rosegarden is just a host, able to load those softsynth as plug-ins. You can use the same synth with other sequencers. A MIDI event is data that e.g contains information about what note should be played, this and nothing more is recorded by a sequencer. The sound modules aka softsynth understand this information and will play that e.g. note, but you need to load such a softsynth as plug.in, assumed the sequencer is able to be a host, otherwise you need to send the data by MIDI out to an hardware or soft-synth. I suspect that something like LMMS http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ does work different, I suspect it will directly rout to included synth, not a way to work professional. -- The Germans have another kind of parenthesis, which they make by splitting a verb in two and putting half of it at the beginning of an exciting chapter and the other half at the end of it. Can any one conceive of anything more confusing than that? These things are called separable verbs. The German grammar is blistered all over with separable verbs; and the wider the two portions of one of them are spread apart, the better the author of the crime is pleased with his performance. from Mark Twain, The Awful German Language -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB
PS: I'm not using Rosegarden. It might be that Rosegarden did show general MIDI information, even if no plug-in is loaded. E.g. the default might be 1 Acoustic Grand Piano. Perhaps Rosegarden than send the so called program change MIDI event, that will switch to sound number 1, but it won't play a audible note, because no plug-in synth is loaded, resp. no synth is connected to MIDI out. There's an odd standard called general MIDI, dunno, but perhaps Rosegarden has default settings regarding to this. If so, it must be confusing for you, since it looks like a synth is already connected. No, it isn't you need to add a synth first. Information about e.g. Acoustic Grand Piano is a dummy, for the MIDI event called program change 1, under the condition, when using a general MIDI device, of cause my Oberheim Matrix-1000 don't has a Acoustic Grand Piano as sound number one. Better don't use Rosegarden :D. Try Qtractor or Ardour3, or perhaps some other Linux Sequencer. I experienced Rosegarden as a PITA. The only advantage of Rosegarden is, that it has got a notation software included. I don't need this. Do you need notation printing? -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 15:56 -0400, ShawnStacey wrote: fluid synth worked for my Maudio board on a USB That was with jack the latancy was low as not an isue But that was with an old comp and an old studio8.? and an old soud blaster 64 i think with fliud link the key board to fluid and jack to the board ( sound ? ) now your up . fluid is just you wave table ( all the fucky sound you want off the midi controler ) aka the midi board. Help I hope? ps. i'm not good at code fluidsynth-dssi is my favourite choice, but it does need soundfonts, there are some good soundfonts for free available by the web, I've got no time to search for such a site, but perhaps some of those are good too: http://www.hammersound.net/. As an information to Dennis, soundfonts are sampled instruments. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB
Dennis Neumeier wrote: Hello List, I just have a Midi Keyboard here (M-Audio Axygen 8) and I am trying to get any sound out of it. Unfortunately, I have no Sound Card with Midi Support, so I connect the keyboard via USB (I am aware of the possible latency). As system, I am using Ubuntu Studio 8.04, because it was quite hard to get my sound card working (M-Audio Delta 66), so I did not dare to change to a newer version. I can see the keys via Jack connector and I connected it to record in from rosegarden (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/inr2-1-c4ca-png.html) in alsa tab. In rosegarden, I can see that a signal is coming in and that it records something (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/inr2-3-eccb-png.html). But how do I now get the signal to the speakers? Nothing really works - http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/inr2-2-c81e-png.html shows that I have 4 outputs from rosegarden. What I'd like to do is to connect the output from rosegarden to a channel from Ardour. Can somebody please help? Greets. Hi MIDI isn't a protocol for sound and MIDI devices don't generate sound, the Oxygen 8 is a controller keyboard. MIDI is a protocol for controlling and interfacing musical instruments -- Musical Instrument Digital Interface -- it doesn't transmit sounds, just messages about note durations, note on, note off, note velocity etc. If your Oxygen 8 isn't connected to a software synthesizer on your computer (such as a DSSI synth or a soundfont engine in Rosegarden) or a hardware synth or sound module, you'll never hear anything, whether connected with a DIN connector or MIDI over USB. It looks like you've managed to record the MIDI data you created by playing the keyboard, but there is no instrument for the data to play and make a sound. The M-Audio cards don't contain synthesizers so the General MIDI Acoustic Grand Piano showing in RG isn't actually connected to anything that can make a sound. I hope this helps. Best wishes Q -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 22:27 +0100, Q wrote: Dennis Neumeier wrote: Hello List, I just have a Midi Keyboard here (M-Audio Axygen 8) and I am trying to get any sound out of it. Unfortunately, I have no Sound Card with Midi Support, so I connect the keyboard via USB (I am aware of the possible latency). As system, I am using Ubuntu Studio 8.04, because it was quite hard to get my sound card working (M-Audio Delta 66), so I did not dare to change to a newer version. I can see the keys via Jack connector and I connected it to record in from rosegarden (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/inr2-1-c4ca-png.html) in alsa tab. In rosegarden, I can see that a signal is coming in and that it records something (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/inr2-3-eccb-png.html). But how do I now get the signal to the speakers? Nothing really works - http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/inr2-2-c81e-png.html shows that I have 4 outputs from rosegarden. What I'd like to do is to connect the output from rosegarden to a channel from Ardour. Can somebody please help? Greets. Hi MIDI isn't a protocol for sound and MIDI devices don't generate sound, the Oxygen 8 is a controller keyboard. MIDI is a protocol for controlling and interfacing musical instruments -- Musical Instrument Digital Interface -- it doesn't transmit sounds, just messages about note durations, note on, note off, note velocity etc. If your Oxygen 8 isn't connected to a software synthesizer on your computer (such as a DSSI synth or a soundfont engine in Rosegarden) or a hardware synth or sound module, you'll never hear anything, whether connected with a DIN connector or MIDI over USB. It looks like you've managed to record the MIDI data you created by playing the keyboard, but there is no instrument for the data to play and make a sound. The M-Audio cards don't contain synthesizers so the General MIDI Acoustic Grand Piano showing in RG isn't actually connected to anything that can make a sound. I hope this helps. Best wishes Q Didn't read it myself, but it might be a help for you http://rosegardenmusic.com/tutorials/supplemental/zyn/zyn.html Btw. I prefer Qtractor to Rosegarden, but I suspect the best sequencer could be Ardour3. Don't worry about latency when using an USB MIDI device. The only issue for USB MIDI devices is jitter when using them for MIDI out. I suspect that you'll quantise MIDI events, hence jitter for input isn't a serious issue. Internal Linux, when using soft synth, there's no MIDI jitter, the MIDI hardware completely has no impact. Latency for audio isn't an issue for your sound card, regarding to that you're equipment is ok, you only need to follow the advice of Q. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
