Re: Sound quality changed by Kdenlive LiVES

2010-01-23 Thread Ricardo Lameiro
edit only the video and leave the audio alone.

you can use cinelerra or other software for video, it just need to be jack
transpoort compatible. then with xjadeo you can sync it with ardour usin
jack transport.
This is the most reliable solution if you want full audio quality/control.

ARDOUR/XJADEO

2010/1/23 lrspares45 lrspare...@aol.com

 Has anyone else come across this? I have an mp3, recorded with Ardour,
 of me playing through BOSS Blues Driver - so far so good.

 I then used Kdenlive to create a video, but noticed that Kdenlive had
 noticeably cleaned up the sound (taken away some of the fuzz so to
 speak), to the extent that the music sounds all wrong. LiVES then did
 the same thing! Both have everything at default, i.e. as installed.

 Is there a way of making either app leave the sound alone, or is it just
 the way it is?

 Cheers
 Richard


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Re: Sound quality changed by Kdenlive LiVES

2010-01-23 Thread Hartmut Noack
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Am 23.01.2010 12:58, schrieb lrspares45:
 Has anyone else come across this? I have an mp3, recorded with Ardour,
 of me playing through BOSS Blues Driver - so far so good.
 
 I then used Kdenlive to create a video, but noticed that Kdenlive had
 noticeably cleaned up the sound (taken away some of the fuzz so to
 speak), to the extent that the music sounds all wrong. LiVES then did
 the same thing! Both have everything at default, i.e. as installed. 
 
 Is there a way of making either app leave the sound alone

I guess so. But its only guessing: You should never, never ever compress
a soundfile to MP3 or ogg if you plan to use it for anything else but
listening to it. Always use uncompressed WAV if you export a file to be
used in another app.
If the same data is compressed twice (first after exporting from Ardour
then again if exported from KDEnlive) the sound is bound to suffer.
You also should use the samplerate you plan to use in the Video, if you
export a file for soundtrack-purposes. 48KHz that is, even the jump from
a 44.1-file to 48 produces liestenable artifacts since the missing 400Hz
of data need to be interpolated.

best of luck, and keep us informed, weather this works or not...
:-)

, or is it just
 the way it is?
 
 Cheers
 Richard
 
 

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Re: Sound quality changed by Kdenlive LiVES

2010-01-23 Thread lrspares45
On Sat, 2010-01-23 at 13:44 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote:
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 Am 23.01.2010 12:58, schrieb lrspares45:
  Has anyone else come across this? I have an mp3, recorded with Ardour,
  of me playing through BOSS Blues Driver - so far so good.
  
  I then used Kdenlive to create a video, but noticed that Kdenlive had
  noticeably cleaned up the sound (taken away some of the fuzz so to
  speak), to the extent that the music sounds all wrong. LiVES then did
  the same thing! Both have everything at default, i.e. as installed. 
  
  Is there a way of making either app leave the sound alone
 
 I guess so. But its only guessing: You should never, never ever compress
 a soundfile to MP3 or ogg if you plan to use it for anything else but
 listening to it. Always use uncompressed WAV if you export a file to be
 used in another app.
 If the same data is compressed twice (first after exporting from Ardour
 then again if exported from KDEnlive) the sound is bound to suffer.
 You also should use the samplerate you plan to use in the Video, if you
 export a file for soundtrack-purposes. 48KHz that is, even the jump from
 a 44.1-file to 48 produces liestenable artifacts since the missing 400Hz
 of data need to be interpolated.
 
 best of luck, and keep us informed, weather this works or not...
 :-)

Ah! It hadn't occurred to me that the mp3 is being compressed again...
that would certainly explain why both do the same to the sound.

I'll have a play.

Cheers
Richard


 
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  the way it is?
  
  Cheers
  Richard
  
  
 
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Re: Sound quality changed by Kdenlive LiVES

2010-01-23 Thread lrspares45
  
  I guess so. But its only guessing: You should never, never ever compress
  a soundfile to MP3 or ogg if you plan to use it for anything else but
  listening to it. Always use uncompressed WAV if you export a file to be
  used in another app.
  If the same data is compressed twice (first after exporting from Ardour
  then again if exported from KDEnlive) the sound is bound to suffer.
  You also should use the samplerate you plan to use in the Video, if you
  export a file for soundtrack-purposes. 48KHz that is, even the jump from
  a 44.1-file to 48 produces liestenable artifacts since the missing 400Hz
  of data need to be interpolated.
  
  best of luck, and keep us informed, weather this works or not...
  :-)

You were right on the money there! Problem solved. If anyone wants to
hear the stunningly indifferent results, they are here.

Just got to re-do the others now :-(

Cheers
Richard   

 
 
  
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   the way it is?
   
   Cheers
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Re: Sound quality changed by Kdenlive LiVES

2010-01-23 Thread lrspares45
  
  I guess so. But its only guessing: You should never, never ever compress
  a soundfile to MP3 or ogg if you plan to use it for anything else but
  listening to it. Always use uncompressed WAV if you export a file to be
  used in another app.
  If the same data is compressed twice (first after exporting from Ardour
  then again if exported from KDEnlive) the sound is bound to suffer.
  You also should use the samplerate you plan to use in the Video, if you
  export a file for soundtrack-purposes. 48KHz that is, even the jump from
  a 44.1-file to 48 produces liestenable artifacts since the missing 400Hz
  of data need to be interpolated.
  
  best of luck, and keep us informed, weather this works or not...
  :-)

Let's try that again...

You were right on the money there! Problem solved. If anyone wants to
hear the stunningly indifferent results, they are here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HrJv2dr5CA

Just got to re-do the others now :-(

Cheers
Richard   

 
 
  
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   the way it is?
   
   Cheers
   Richard
   
   
  
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