Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:37:10PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 13:21 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote: On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 01:32:12AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm missing a mailing list for Mint, so I join a German forum. I installed Mint Lisa - KDE 64-bit. KDE freeze after login and Xfce doesn't show nm-applet. Changing the mouse cursor theme doesn't work. snip Haven't installed Ubuntu Studio meta packages until now. Perhaps I should test what happens, when Ubuntu Studio themes are installed. Does 11.10 already include Xfce? Hi, I am a little puzzled, over here. What does a Mint installation (and its problems) have to do with Ubuntu Studio? We will not provide any official support for such a combo, so I would suggest you find some elsewhere, for I do not wish to encourage this sort of behaviour on our official support forums. Thanks for understanding! It was in reply to an answer of a request I did regarding to the usage of Mint Lisa with Ubuntu Studio meta packages. I did understand that. Nonetheless, using Ubuntu Studio packages on a completely different distro _isn't_ using Ubuntu Studio. My intension is to get a new DAW, since my old one is Edubuntu 10.10 + Ubuntu Studio meta packages. Note that I join a German forum regarding to Mint, but also note that Ubuntu is Ubuntu is Ubuntu. Mint Linux isn't Ubuntu. IMO your wish isn't a wise wish. E.g. what has got an Android tablet to do with Ubuntu Studio, or much more worse, an iPad 2? I do understand if people want to discuss vaguely-related issues on this mailing list. I admit, I have partaken in such discussions myself. But in the end, the subject of this mailing list, in brief, is: Ubuntu-Studio-users -- Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion. I do not consider asking for possible usages for an iPad2 (one of which could have been jailrooting it and installing a PowerPPC port of Ubuntu) as such misleading topics as providing support for a 'competing' distribution. Please understand that usage of a production setup has to do with several needs and different gear needs to work together. And again, regarding to Mind Lisa, it's Oneric, Ubuntu Studio meta packages are part of the official Ubuntu repositories. Yes, Ubuntu Studio meta packages are indeed parts of official repositories. However, the rest of that setup is not, which is the particular reason why we're not providing support for it on this forum. Who is allowed to do requests on this list? Everybody. If it's a support request, however, it will be served if it falls under the umbrella of supported topics. Since Kubuntu still is Canonical I suspect they are allowed. But as soon as Kubuntu becomes a community project, AFAIK it will lose it's membership at Canonical. Are Kubuntu users still allowed to do requests then? Of course. Kubuntu is, after all, using the official repositories for the _whole_ of their distribution (of flavor, or derivative etc.), which Mint does not. I can unsubscribe, no prob, but reconsider if your thinking is wise. I never asked you to do such a thing. Please, there's no drama here. I am merely trying to limit the support conversation to something that can reasonably be provided. Ubuntu Studio community, by default, provides community support for Ubuntu parts, we cannot stretch further than that. -- Jaska signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport
On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 13:51 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote: Of course. Kubuntu is, after all, using the official repositories for the _whole_ of their distribution (of flavor, or derivative etc.), which Mint does not. Mint Lisa - KDE 64-bit seems to use the official repositories OOTB. I agree that this anyway doesn't mean it's an Ubuntu distro, such as e.g. Kubuntu still is or was. You'll find exchange of experience e.g. between Suse and Debian users at Debian users mailing list, this makes Linux a modern, libre OS. IMO it's strange that such an exchange is unwanted for completely compatible distros such as Ubuntu and Mint on this list. I'm not believing in conspiracy theories, but a lot of German Ubuntu derivatives users at least don't trust Marc Shuttleworth anymore. I'm not one of them, but I don't feel good with the separation done by some community members. I wouldn't ask When I upgraded Suse, Yast gets broken, what can I do? at this list, but why not asking When I upgraded Mint, Ardour gets broken, what can I do? Anyway, I won't discuss this any long, just 2 Cents, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 01:20:52PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 13:51 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote: Of course. Kubuntu is, after all, using the official repositories for the _whole_ of their distribution (of flavor, or derivative etc.), which Mint does not. Mint Lisa - KDE 64-bit seems to use the official repositories OOTB. I agree that this anyway doesn't mean it's an Ubuntu distro, such as e.g. Kubuntu still is or was. Oh ok. You'll find exchange of experience e.g. between Suse and Debian users at Debian users mailing list, this makes Linux a modern, libre OS. IMO it's strange that such an exchange is unwanted for completely compatible distros such as Ubuntu and Mint on this list. Exchange is one thing, support is different. I'm not believing in conspiracy theories, but a lot of German Ubuntu derivatives users at least don't trust Marc Shuttleworth anymore. I'm not one of them, but I don't feel good with the separation done by some community members. This is not about separation and sadbfl. This is about what can the community reasonably provide support for. Since this is under the ubuntu.com umbrella, that's where we have to limit our support for. As to why some people don't trust (I can't even understand why they would have trust issues, has the guy betrayed them somehow?) the founder of the project, that's definitely OT for this list. I wouldn't ask When I upgraded Suse, Yast gets broken, what can I do? at this list, but why not asking When I upgraded Mint, Ardour gets broken, what can I do? It's because we don't know what distro-specific tweaks the Mint devs have included in their base setup. There could be something there, that breaks what we are trying to achieve, and when we give support instructions from our distribution's point-of-view, the user might not get the problem resolved, resulting in poor user experience and spreading of misinformation. I would assume that Mint community has support forums for their users, right? Remember, this is not about making users' lives miserable. It's about not confusing other (possible) users by providing them information that is false. Anyway, I won't discuss this any long, just 2 Cents, Ralf Fair enough. I just wanted to try to make you understand the raison d'etre for this policy. And while it's not a very strict policy, I would still like to remind about it every once in a while. I'm sorry if you feel like you were being unfairly targetted about it. That's not the case. -- Jaska signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport
hello Ralph! in the interest of constructive community support, id like to add that i would *not* install any of the ubuntustudio meta-packages to mint. especially those relating to look and feel.. you can however just install what you want from the mint repos (a lot of which are the ubuntu repos as well)... you can just install JACK, ardour, and whatever else instead of ubuntustudio-audio... one thing that makes ubuntustudio so attractive is this community support for multimedia producers and the metapackages. those metapackages are not going to be tested by mint, nor supported. mint has no multimedia derivative of which i am aware. for mint support, i would go to the IRC support channel #mint or some of the others on the spotchat network and try and find some audio folks... also, lots of mint users are in the #opensourcemusicians channel on the freenode network. i also know that the http://dinisnoise.org/ developer is a mint user. other than that, we use and support ubuntustudio here, and i suppose the spirit in which it seems you are switching to mint could be taken as a bit abrasive. lots of folks are working hard to make ubuntustudio 12.04 a top notch release. the invitation is extended for *everyone* to come and get involved. come on the IRC and test, and share your skills and help us make ubuntustudio 12.04 something that no one will distro-hop away from! top-posting with much respect and passion... holstein thanks On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Janne Jokitalo astralj...@kapsi.fi wrote: On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 01:20:52PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 13:51 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote: Of course. Kubuntu is, after all, using the official repositories for the _whole_ of their distribution (of flavor, or derivative etc.), which Mint does not. Mint Lisa - KDE 64-bit seems to use the official repositories OOTB. I agree that this anyway doesn't mean it's an Ubuntu distro, such as e.g. Kubuntu still is or was. Oh ok. You'll find exchange of experience e.g. between Suse and Debian users at Debian users mailing list, this makes Linux a modern, libre OS. IMO it's strange that such an exchange is unwanted for completely compatible distros such as Ubuntu and Mint on this list. Exchange is one thing, support is different. I'm not believing in conspiracy theories, but a lot of German Ubuntu derivatives users at least don't trust Marc Shuttleworth anymore. I'm not one of them, but I don't feel good with the separation done by some community members. This is not about separation and sadbfl. This is about what can the community reasonably provide support for. Since this is under the ubuntu.comumbrella, that's where we have to limit our support for. As to why some people don't trust (I can't even understand why they would have trust issues, has the guy betrayed them somehow?) the founder of the project, that's definitely OT for this list. I wouldn't ask When I upgraded Suse, Yast gets broken, what can I do? at this list, but why not asking When I upgraded Mint, Ardour gets broken, what can I do? It's because we don't know what distro-specific tweaks the Mint devs have included in their base setup. There could be something there, that breaks what we are trying to achieve, and when we give support instructions from our distribution's point-of-view, the user might not get the problem resolved, resulting in poor user experience and spreading of misinformation. I would assume that Mint community has support forums for their users, right? Remember, this is not about making users' lives miserable. It's about not confusing other (possible) users by providing them information that is false. Anyway, I won't discuss this any long, just 2 Cents, Ralf Fair enough. I just wanted to try to make you understand the raison d'etre for this policy. And while it's not a very strict policy, I would still like to remind about it every once in a while. I'm sorry if you feel like you were being unfairly targetted about it. That's not the case. -- Jaska -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk83sbUACgkQxgcH0NnJT+DjrQCffV9ZPQ9P9u7P3jbR/UaTc8Qm j2MAnj78UKxjM3+RhYt74XbjdckvtnxZ =D8cx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport
On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 14:33 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote: It's because we don't know what distro-specific tweaks the Mint devs have included in their base setup. There could be something there, that breaks what we are trying to achieve, and when we give support instructions from our distribution's point-of-view, the user might not get the problem resolved, resulting in poor user experience and spreading of misinformation. ubuntustudio-11.10-alternate-amd64.iso download is at 94% now ;) Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 08:06:20PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 14:33 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote: It's because we don't know what distro-specific tweaks the Mint devs have included in their base setup. There could be something there, that breaks what we are trying to achieve, and when we give support instructions from our distribution's point-of-view, the user might not get the problem resolved, resulting in poor user experience and spreading of misinformation. ubuntustudio-11.10-alternate-amd64.iso download is at 94% now ;) Great news! Welcome back. :) Btw. there are a few known drawbacks on that release, but it's an exciting one in that it's the first where we used Xubuntu as the base. -- Jaska signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
