Re: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
aYo Binitie schrieb: I have to say I've had the opposite experience. I'm actually tempted to upgrade all my machines to Intrepid but for the fact that I love both interfaces and would like to keep both. I'd be interested to know what you have found buggy with Intrepid - KDE4.1 is experimental at best and it is the ONLY option, no way to install KDE35 parallel. - The Presonus Firebox (FW-audio) that runs perfectly smooth in 64Studio and very well in Suse/JAD is not usable. - Neither xine nor pulseaudio are provided with their jackd-plugins - at least xine can work perfectly well with jackd since years - The KDE3 delivered with 7.10 was able to export my desktop perfectly well to the VGA-out of my Laptop, in Intrepid no WM can zoome the output correctly... - 7.10 supported my NOKIA-Mobile plug/play, Intrepid does not even see it. in short: I dont think, there is a Ubuntu Studio 8.10 - I only hope for 9.04 to make things better -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 19:57 -0800, Rafael Chacon wrote: Canonical releases a new version of Ubuntu every six months. As each new version, it is normal that the new version has fewer bugs than the previous one (e.g. Windows 2008 has fewer bugs than Windows Vista). Strongly disagree. I upgraded from 8.04 Heron to 8.10 Ibex, and found it so buggy that I actually downgraded several machines to 8.04 (including my main box). LTS (long-term support) releases like 8.04 will by definition always be more stable than the let's release every six months whether it's ready or not versions. This is why I don't think it's that big a deal that the real-time kernel is not available for Studio 8.10; I've stayed on 8.04 and been happy. -- After the vintage season came the aftermath - and Cenbe. Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
I agree with Glenn. While the advantages to 'upgrading' are incremental, the DOWNSIDE can be debilitating. 8.04 works with my Audigy 2 soundcard, 8.10 doesn't. And HAL doesn't see my mouse through a KVM switch, so it modifies xorg.conf upon boot-up. After three times, I plugged my 8.04 drive in, and restored sound and mouse. New does not mean good. New means different. Skip Flem Boston (or somewhere near there...) -- Original message -- From: Glenn Holmer ghol...@ameritech.net On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 19:57 -0800, Rafael Chacon wrote: Canonical releases a new version of Ubuntu every six months. As each new version, it is normal that the new version has fewer bugs than the previous one (e.g. Windows 2008 has fewer bugs than Windows Vista). Strongly disagree. I upgraded from 8.04 Heron to 8.10 Ibex, and found it so buggy that I actually downgraded several machines to 8.04 (including my main box). LTS (long-term support) releases like 8.04 will by definition always be more stable than the let's release every six months whether it's ready or not versions. This is why I don't think it's that big a deal that the real-time kernel is not available for Studio 8.10; I've stayed on 8.04 and been happy. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
*PLEASE* see how I have changed the topic to fit the discussion and continue it under it. The current chat has nothing to do with the title. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
FYI: RT kernel
ref: LAU list for today [ 01-04-2009 ]
thread: [PATCH] [RT] tasklets: fix typo in tasklet_hi_action
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How soon this will manifest in Ubuntu, I do not know. However it was
significant enough that it solicited a triple thank you ! from CCRMA's
Fernando.
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Archives:
http://lalists.stanford.edu/
{ LAU } Linux Audio Users and { LAD } Linux Audio Developers list:
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Sorry for the top post.
Tom
I know I've become a bit of an Ubuntu/UbuntuStudio evangelist but this is
the first OS that I have loved more with each day of use.
-a-
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Brody McDonald
brody.mcdon...@ketteringschools.org wrote:
To all:
Don't know who reads this, and I KNOW that everyone always is trying to
do their best... but this kind of stuff is keeping me anchored to
Windows as well...
--snip-
RT is critical to my applications. It is the only way to actually get
glitch
free audio recording. I could use Hardy, but it has older versions of
the
applications that I use, and I would have to re-compile new ones.
In any case, I'll just wait until it gets sorted out and keep using
Sonar
Producer 8 until then.
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Re: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gregory Boehnlein wrote: Has there been any progress on an RT kernel package for Intrepid? I've pretty much stopped using Ubuntu Studio because of this.. There is no RT patch for 2.6.28 and 2.6.27 has issues. So you can certainly build one yourself for Intrepid or wait until the back-porting team gets formed and releases one. The Intrepid release is a perfect example of why arbitrary release deadlines are a bad idea. I have no problem with the LTS versions sticking to a deadline, but it seems silly for all the other testing versions. Just my $.02 I chose not to upgrade my DAW, since there was no compelling reason to move to Intrepid. 8.04 works just fine. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklhwXwACgkQwRXgH3rKGfMeZgCfRAhKvCleFW2UXGsMdHIe8sza EZQAn2CNXLLg5KZ1WuPh9wdGd5x/5VQk =+hRS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brody McDonald wrote: To all: Don't know who reads this, and I KNOW that everyone always is trying to do their best... but this kind of stuff is keeping me anchored to Windows as well... You mean you choose to stay with Windows. Seriously if this is keeping you tied to Windows, you will always find something to keep you tied to Windows. I'm a music teacher who does some light audio editing and midi stuff, and I just found linux... I would LOVE to be able to make the switch, but bugginess... I just don't have time to invest in compiling, etc. Again a choice. My full time production DAW is 64Studio which has even older versions of Ardour than Ubuntu Studio 8.04. I have Ubuntu Studio on my laptop which I use for post production work on the go. It is also very capable. I also do not need an RT kernel for post production work (arranging, composing, mixing, etc.) Also, you will invest time on system management either way. Virus updates, registry corruption, malware, you *will* be busy with your Windows system too. The real problem is that you have already invested in a particular skill set. I will not lie to and say that there is zero cost in moving to Linux, but you will either find the time or you won't. The beautiful thing is that only you can make that choice. -Original Message- From: ubuntu-studio-users-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-studio-users-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Boehnlein Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:41 PM To: 'Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion' Subject: RE: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment What's in Intrepid that's NOT in Hardy? (or 'Studio') A much less buggy version of Ardour and several other packages for one, as well as several updated Audio drivers that work w/ my hardware . Since Studio is built on a LTS package (8.04), that's enough support for the next few years. Plus it has RealTime. I'm not really into compiling all of my apps from the ground up. To be productive w/ Ubuntu Studio, I just need Intrepid to have a working -rt kernel package as opposed to attempting to back-port / compile a bunch of stuff from Intrepid into Hardy. I've been keeping my eye on the lists and various launchpad links for a while, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of progress. If RT is that important to you, consider using it. RT is critical to my applications. It is the only way to actually get glitch free audio recording. I could use Hardy, but it has older versions of the applications that I use, and I would have to re-compile new ones. In any case, I'll just wait until it gets sorted out and keep using Sonar Producer 8 until then. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklhxPYACgkQwRXgH3rKGfPumgCfZV1hPRvbbH2aAt5G8iOZPmY3 ODYAoK14ry9/3xtbotZnnCf7KlPaKGz4 =Ulfc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
What's in Intrepid that's NOT in Hardy? (or 'Studio') Since Studio is built on a LTS package (8.04), that's enough support for the next few years. Plus it has RealTime. If RT is that important to you, consider using it. SkipF Hull, Massachusetts -- Original message -- From: Gregory Boehnlein da...@nacs.net Has there been any progress on an RT kernel package for Intrepid? I've pretty much stopped using Ubuntu Studio because of this.. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
What's in Intrepid that's NOT in Hardy? (or 'Studio') A much less buggy version of Ardour and several other packages for one, as well as several updated Audio drivers that work w/ my hardware . Since Studio is built on a LTS package (8.04), that's enough support for the next few years. Plus it has RealTime. I'm not really into compiling all of my apps from the ground up. To be productive w/ Ubuntu Studio, I just need Intrepid to have a working -rt kernel package as opposed to attempting to back-port / compile a bunch of stuff from Intrepid into Hardy. I've been keeping my eye on the lists and various launchpad links for a while, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of progress. If RT is that important to you, consider using it. RT is critical to my applications. It is the only way to actually get glitch free audio recording. I could use Hardy, but it has older versions of the applications that I use, and I would have to re-compile new ones. In any case, I'll just wait until it gets sorted out and keep using Sonar Producer 8 until then. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
To all: Don't know who reads this, and I KNOW that everyone always is trying to do their best... but this kind of stuff is keeping me anchored to Windows as well... I'm a music teacher who does some light audio editing and midi stuff, and I just found linux... I would LOVE to be able to make the switch, but bugginess... I just don't have time to invest in compiling, etc. Brody -Original Message- From: ubuntu-studio-users-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-studio-users-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Boehnlein Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:41 PM To: 'Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion' Subject: RE: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment What's in Intrepid that's NOT in Hardy? (or 'Studio') A much less buggy version of Ardour and several other packages for one, as well as several updated Audio drivers that work w/ my hardware . Since Studio is built on a LTS package (8.04), that's enough support for the next few years. Plus it has RealTime. I'm not really into compiling all of my apps from the ground up. To be productive w/ Ubuntu Studio, I just need Intrepid to have a working -rt kernel package as opposed to attempting to back-port / compile a bunch of stuff from Intrepid into Hardy. I've been keeping my eye on the lists and various launchpad links for a while, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of progress. If RT is that important to you, consider using it. RT is critical to my applications. It is the only way to actually get glitch free audio recording. I could use Hardy, but it has older versions of the applications that I use, and I would have to re-compile new ones. In any case, I'll just wait until it gets sorted out and keep using Sonar Producer 8 until then. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Khashayar Naderehvandi wrote: snip Was that on a 32-bit system or a 64-bit system? 32 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklgC5YACgkQwRXgH3rKGfPX5QCfXH3fN329ocH9PRaaIMVqvTxW q54AoIOClfDcxaW9ff+TpLD2O/oEoKtS =1f0T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Gustin Johnson gus...@echostar.ca wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Khashayar Naderehvandi wrote: snip - - Any idea why? Some googling mentioned nfs-kernel for 2.6.24 Have you tried a vanilla kernel from kernel.org with the RT patch? It could be one of the Ubuntu patches causing you grief. I tested last night and 2.6.24.7 with the rt25 patch compiled with make-kpkg I have not yet tested the resulting kernel for performance. Was that on a 32-bit system or a 64-bit system? The 64-bit version of the kernel built successfully on my ppa, although the 32-bit failed. But I guess I can be happy with that. Thanks, Khashayar -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gerhard Lang wrote: Khashayar Naderehvandi schrieb: Hi all, I'm trying to make a proper build of hardy's kernel for intrepid, using the source debs from hardy. I think kernel 2.6.24 has a problem with gcc 4.3, giving me these errors: kernel/built-in.o: In function `timespec_add_ns': /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/include/linux/time.h:177: undefined snip According to this thread http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=45882, there's a solution if one changes CFLAGS_KERNEL in Makefile. Now, to my question. The kernel source debs work rather differently than other packages. For instance, there's no debian/patches folder, where I otherwise would put a patch change Makefile. Could some kind soul tell me how to do this? Note that I'm well aware of how to compile a kernel, with make-kpkg or just manually. But what I want is to have debs produced in the same way the offical kernel debs are produced. Thanks in advance, Khashayar Why don't you use the official kernel debs? He is attempting to build 2.6.24 directly under 8.10. Your solution would cause problems because the kernel would be built with a different version of gcc than any modules you tried to add (nvidia, vmware or whatever else you may add to your kernel). I snipped the next part since it does not address his question. snip frustrating attempt to compile a 2.6.28-rt kernel with the config of 2.6.24-23-rt. Not surprising since there is no rt patch for 2.6.28. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklcs4MACgkQwRXgH3rKGfP8VQCgmALwxpTDZYxTxN/oQ3zGiWnE ZvEAoJqCoFEvVzigvu6txTgnf8mEp4+u =CIhM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: building 2.6.24 in an intrepid environment
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Gustin Johnson gus...@echostar.ca wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gerhard Lang wrote: Khashayar Naderehvandi schrieb: Hi all, I'm trying to make a proper build of hardy's kernel for intrepid, using the source debs from hardy. I think kernel 2.6.24 has a problem with gcc 4.3, giving me these errors: kernel/built-in.o: In function `timespec_add_ns': /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/include/linux/time.h:177: undefined snip According to this thread http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=45882, there's a solution if one changes CFLAGS_KERNEL in Makefile. Now, to my question. The kernel source debs work rather differently than other packages. For instance, there's no debian/patches folder, where I otherwise would put a patch change Makefile. Could some kind soul tell me how to do this? Note that I'm well aware of how to compile a kernel, with make-kpkg or just manually. But what I want is to have debs produced in the same way the offical kernel debs are produced. Thanks in advance, Khashayar Why don't you use the official kernel debs? He is attempting to build 2.6.24 directly under 8.10. Your solution would cause problems because the kernel would be built with a different version of gcc than any modules you tried to add (nvidia, vmware or whatever else you may add to your kernel). Exactly, my hope is to build a working 2.6.24 kernel that's made for intrepid, and put it in a ppa. Right now, I've been using hardy and recompiling a bunch of applications that I want/need newer versions of (ardour comes to mind). So I figured instead of upgrading dozens of applications under hardy, all I need to do in intrepid is to build an older kernel instead. But I want to that according to all rules of the game, so to speak. I know this isn't the best list to ask questions related to ppa, but since I'm only going to build ubuntustudio related stuff, I'm gonna go ahead and ask my questions anyway :-) The thing is, the error I posted above was given by the ppa-builder on the 386 build. The amd64 build almost finished, but gave this in the end (after the compilation finished successfully): [...] kernel-wedge gen-control debian/control install -d /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/debian/abi/2.6.24-22.46~intrepid~ppa1/amd64 sed -e 's/^\(.\+\)[[:space:]]\+\(.\+\)[[:space:]]\(.\+\)$/\3 \2 \1/'\ /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/debian/build/build-generic/Module.symvers | sort /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/debian/abi/2.6.24-22.46~intrepid~ppa1/amd64/generic Checking ABI for generic...previous or current ABI file missing! /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/debian/abi/2.6.24-22.46~intrepid~ppa1/amd64/generic /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/debian/abi/2.6.24-22.45/amd64/generic make: *** [abi-check-generic] Error 1 dpkg-buildpackage: failure: /usr/bin/fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch gave error exit status 2 ** Build finished at 20081231-1745 FAILED [dpkg-buildpackage died] Purging chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/linux-2.6.24 -- Any idea why? -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
