Re: [Fwd: Re: To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help]
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 13:25 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Really? And what about the support for the apps that you use for > working with it? I don't know the state of FreeBSD, hopefully I'll install it today. At least I can help to test the driver for FreeBSD and if the driver should work, I'll know that the card isn't broken, but it's more likely that the card is ok. As far as I know, FreeBSSD is less good than Linux for audio production. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help
Not tested myself and IMO this is just a minor issue, but perhaps there will follow more fixes in proposed updates. I wonder if switching to another DE would help to get back a stable desktop environment. OTOH I'm tired of unstopping switching the DE. Btw. is there a repository to downgrade Xfce and important dependencies? I also would like to get a downgraded version of GIMP and Evolution for Quantal. Is nobody on this list running into issues? Btw. GIMP isn't buggy, it's still stable, but the workflow is broken, too much changed. YMMV! Forwarded Message From: Mark Trickett Reply-to: Xubuntu Support and User Discussions To: xubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] update-manager not on any of the menus and can't be put, there? (Andy Proctor) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:01:21 +0200 On 26/11/12 11:57, Mark Trickett wrote: > Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:50:41 + From: Andy Proctor > To: xubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] update-manager not on any of the menus > and can't be put there? Message-ID: <50b13321.9060...@gpshelp.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On > 24/11/12 18:56, Knute Johnson wrote: >>> On 11/24/2012 10:49 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 08:53 -0800, Knute Johnson wrote: > On 11/23/2012 01:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 20:48 +, Andy Proctor wrote: >>> On 23/11/12 14:07, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Knute Johnson wrote: If I go into the Settings Manager, select Main Menu, select a submenu (in this case System) and then attempt to enable the Software Updater (which is update-manager) program on any of the menus it disables itself in a few seconds. I hit the checkbox next to update-manager and a few seconds later it un-checks. Anybody know what I'm doing wrong? I don't think yo are doing anything wrong: I did a clean install of XUbuntu12.10 and appear to have the same problem ! Actually it doesn't appear to have anything to do with the update-manager itself, as I tried enabling other items in the system menu and they too disable themselves a second after I check their boxes ! Definitely a good case for a bug report IMHO ! :-/ -- Vince >>> Agree, I've tried what you said and have the same problem. >>> >>> Andy >> Delete ~/.cache, I couldn't change fonts and e.g. even after editing >> Evolution's config I couldn't change anything, because Evolution and >> e.g. the appearance settings were used from the cache, even after >> rebooting. >> After deleting the cache, until now everything is ok. >> >> Hth, >> Ralf > That didn't work. Do you need to be root to change menus? No, this can be done with user privileges. I did edit my menu with Alacarte (the app for "Main Menu") and I experienced that I couldn't edit all entries as wanted. I couldn't uncheck some, but delete them, I also couldn't add some apps that I deleted some time before to the same menu were they were before, instead I had to put them to the sub menu "Other", deleting the cache indeed didn't help. :( >>> I found a bug for this. It is specific to Xubuntu. alacarte writes >>> the menu file to the wrong name on Xubuntu. I just copied my >>> ~/.config/menus/applications.menu file to xfce-applications.menu file >>> and it now works fine. >>> >>> It is supposed to be fixed in R(can't remember) and they said there >>> was a fix in Quantal proposed but I can't find it there. The work >>> around is OK for now I guess. >>> >>> Bug #1069207 >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >> Dear Knute, this workaround solves it, many thanks! I look forward to >> the fix in a future release, till then all good! >> >> Andy >> >> > I ran into this just last night. I noticed that there's an update to > Alacarte (the software that is the menu item editor in Xubuntu 12.10) > and it's been accepted into Pre-Release Updates Proposed. So, in > Software Sources/Updater, I enabled backports, ran an update, and it > was fixed. > > Mark > > Sorry major edit: Enable proposed updates.not backports...Apologies Mark -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:05 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Am 26.11.2012 11:28, schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > > Not tested myself [1] and IMO this is just a minor issue, but perhaps there > > will follow more fixes in proposed updates. > > > > I wonder if switching to another DE would help to get back a stable > > desktop environment. OTOH I'm tired of unstopping switching the DE. > > > > Btw. is there a repository to downgrade Xfce and important dependencies? > > Downgrading does not help for long: you do not want to keep an older > Version of anything for more than 2-3 years, some day you will have to > upgrade so there are only two ways to go I guess: > > 1.) try to get a recent version of XFCE, GIMP etc, that is configured > differently and thus more to your satisfaction. If you build them > yourself from source you have a plethora of options at compile time. > > 2.) switch to other software. KDE works more or less the same as good > for me as XFCE does, if you like it leaner, try LXDE or Fluxbox. I use > to run Fluxbox plus XFCE-panel on my main workstation and it works like > a charm. I know that there is no substitute for GIMP though, let alone a > similar powerful app, that comes with the classic workflow known from GIMP. > > > > > I also would like to get a downgraded version of GIMP and Evolution for > > Quantal. > > > If Evolution is first and foremost you Mail-agent, I recommend > Thunderbird. It just works, everywhere, allways... > > good luck... > > HZN Thank you for the recommendations. I wouldn't use Thunderbird, because I don't like the new style, however, Claws does work and I like it, but that's not a help. I need access to all my emails from the last years and so I have to use Evolution. I switched from KDE3 to GNOME2 and from GNOME2 to Xfce. KDE4 and GNOME3 don't fit to my needs/workflow. I already was thinking of switching to LXDE, Fluxbox never satisfied my needs, but LXDE is ok. What happens to GIMP is a shame. It took more than 1 hour to do something I did in some minutes using GIMP in the past. The problem is that all the issues I've got are not related to the distro, it's caused by upstream. At the moment I'm using Ubuntu only, but I've got a lot of installs and I'm always ready to switch between Ubuntu, Debian and Arch Linux. Following all mailing lists, I read that Xfce 4.10 and some things that are independent of the DE and important for me are broken for all distros. I'm going to install FreeBSD 9.0, but I'm sure it can't replace Linux for many usages and I doubt that for equal applications thinks will differ to Linux. Support for my RME card might be better, which won't help when audio and MIDI is less good supported. OTOH developers for audio drivers are interested in users. I never saw a reply at ALSA users or devel to anyone's request, when somebody had serious issues. They not only ignore me, but they ignore everybody. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help] Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:40:49 +0100 On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 13:25 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Really? And what about the support for the apps that you use for > working with it? I don't know the state of FreeBSD, hopefully I'll install it today. At least I can help to test the driver for FreeBSD and if the driver should work, I'll know that the card isn't broken, but it's more likely that the card is ok. As far as I know, FreeBSSD is less good than Linux for audio production. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [Fwd: Re: To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help]
Am 26.11.2012 12:36, schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > Forwarded Message > From: Ralf Mardorf > To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:33:18 +0100 > > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:05 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote: >> Am 26.11.2012 11:28, schrieb Ralf Mardorf: >>> Not tested myself [1] and IMO this is just a minor issue, but perhaps there >>> will follow more fixes in proposed updates. >>> >>> I wonder if switching to another DE would help to get back a stable >>> desktop environment. OTOH I'm tired of unstopping switching the DE. >>> >>> Btw. is there a repository to downgrade Xfce and important dependencies? >> >> Downgrading does not help for long: you do not want to keep an older >> Version of anything for more than 2-3 years, some day you will have to >> upgrade so there are only two ways to go I guess: >> >> 1.) try to get a recent version of XFCE, GIMP etc, that is configured >> differently and thus more to your satisfaction. If you build them >> yourself from source you have a plethora of options at compile time. >> >> 2.) switch to other software. KDE works more or less the same as good >> for me as XFCE does, if you like it leaner, try LXDE or Fluxbox. I use >> to run Fluxbox plus XFCE-panel on my main workstation and it works like >> a charm. I know that there is no substitute for GIMP though, let alone a >> similar powerful app, that comes with the classic workflow known from GIMP. >> >>> >>> I also would like to get a downgraded version of GIMP and Evolution for >>> Quantal. >> >> >> If Evolution is first and foremost you Mail-agent, I recommend >> Thunderbird. It just works, everywhere, allways... >> >> good luck... >> >> HZN > > Thank you for the recommendations. > > I wouldn't use Thunderbird, because I don't like the new style, however, > Claws does work and I like it, but that's not a help. I need access to > all my emails from the last years and so I have to use Evolution. I switched from Evolution to Thunderbird a few years ago. To keep my mails recieved using Evolution I exported them all to mbox and I did not loose a single one. To be complete: I did not loose a single mail since 1999 when I switched from Star Office Mail to Mozilla. Export/Import using mbox works flawlessly for me. > > I switched from KDE3 to GNOME2 and from GNOME2 to Xfce. KDE4 and GNOME3 > don't fit to my needs/workflow. I already was thinking of switching to > LXDE, Fluxbox never satisfied my needs, but LXDE is ok. > > What happens to GIMP is a shame. It took more than 1 hour to do > something I did in some minutes using GIMP in the past. > > The problem is that all the issues I've got are not related to the > distro, it's caused by upstream. At the moment I'm using Ubuntu only, > but I've got a lot of installs and I'm always ready to switch between > Ubuntu, Debian and Arch Linux. Following all mailing lists, I read that > Xfce 4.10 and some things that are independent of the DE and important > for me are broken for all distros. > > I'm going to install FreeBSD 9.0, but I'm sure it can't replace Linux > for many usages and I doubt that for equal applications thinks will > differ to Linux. I am not aware of any desktop-applications, let alone image-manipulation apps for BSD that are not built from sources available for Linux also. Not even Solaris is different enough that a test-user could not be told it would be some strange Linux-distro. > Support for my RME card might be better Really? And what about the support for the apps that you use for working with it? >, which won't > help when audio and MIDI is less good supported. OTOH developers for > audio drivers are interested in users. I never saw a reply at ALSA users > or devel to anyone's request, when somebody had serious issues. They not > only ignore me, but they ignore everybody. > > Regards, > Ralf > > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:33:18 +0100 On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:05 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Am 26.11.2012 11:28, schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > > Not tested myself [1] and IMO this is just a minor issue, but perhaps there > > will follow more fixes in proposed updates. > > > > I wonder if switching to another DE would help to get back a stable > > desktop environment. OTOH I'm tired of unstopping switching the DE. > > > > Btw. is there a repository to downgrade Xfce and important dependencies? > > Downgrading does not help for long: you do not want to keep an older > Version of anything for more than 2-3 years, some day you will have to > upgrade so there are only two ways to go I guess: > > 1.) try to get a recent version of XFCE, GIMP etc, that is configured > differently and thus more to your satisfaction. If you build them > yourself from source you have a plethora of options at compile time. > > 2.) switch to other software. KDE works more or less the same as good > for me as XFCE does, if you like it leaner, try LXDE or Fluxbox. I use > to run Fluxbox plus XFCE-panel on my main workstation and it works like > a charm. I know that there is no substitute for GIMP though, let alone a > similar powerful app, that comes with the classic workflow known from GIMP. > > > > > I also would like to get a downgraded version of GIMP and Evolution for > > Quantal. > > > If Evolution is first and foremost you Mail-agent, I recommend > Thunderbird. It just works, everywhere, allways... > > good luck... > > HZN Thank you for the recommendations. I wouldn't use Thunderbird, because I don't like the new style, however, Claws does work and I like it, but that's not a help. I need access to all my emails from the last years and so I have to use Evolution. I switched from KDE3 to GNOME2 and from GNOME2 to Xfce. KDE4 and GNOME3 don't fit to my needs/workflow. I already was thinking of switching to LXDE, Fluxbox never satisfied my needs, but LXDE is ok. What happens to GIMP is a shame. It took more than 1 hour to do something I did in some minutes using GIMP in the past. The problem is that all the issues I've got are not related to the distro, it's caused by upstream. At the moment I'm using Ubuntu only, but I've got a lot of installs and I'm always ready to switch between Ubuntu, Debian and Arch Linux. Following all mailing lists, I read that Xfce 4.10 and some things that are independent of the DE and important for me are broken for all distros. I'm going to install FreeBSD 9.0, but I'm sure it can't replace Linux for many usages and I doubt that for equal applications thinks will differ to Linux. Support for my RME card might be better, which won't help when audio and MIDI is less good supported. OTOH developers for audio drivers are interested in users. I never saw a reply at ALSA users or devel to anyone's request, when somebody had serious issues. They not only ignore me, but they ignore everybody. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help
Am 26.11.2012 11:28, schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > Not tested myself [1] and IMO this is just a minor issue, but perhaps there > will follow more fixes in proposed updates. > > I wonder if switching to another DE would help to get back a stable > desktop environment. OTOH I'm tired of unstopping switching the DE. > > Btw. is there a repository to downgrade Xfce and important dependencies? Downgrading does not help for long: you do not want to keep an older Version of anything for more than 2-3 years, some day you will have to upgrade so there are only two ways to go I guess: 1.) try to get a recent version of XFCE, GIMP etc, that is configured differently and thus more to your satisfaction. If you build them yourself from source you have a plethora of options at compile time. 2.) switch to other software. KDE works more or less the same as good for me as XFCE does, if you like it leaner, try LXDE or Fluxbox. I use to run Fluxbox plus XFCE-panel on my main workstation and it works like a charm. I know that there is no substitute for GIMP though, let alone a similar powerful app, that comes with the classic workflow known from GIMP. > > I also would like to get a downgraded version of GIMP and Evolution for > Quantal. If Evolution is first and foremost you Mail-agent, I recommend Thunderbird. It just works, everywhere, allways... good luck... HZN > > Is nobody on this list running into issues? > > Btw. GIMP isn't buggy, it's still stable, but the workflow is broken, > too much changed. > > YMMV! > > [1] > Forwarded Message > From: Mark Trickett > Reply-to: Xubuntu Support and User Discussions > > To: xubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] update-manager not on any of the menus and > can't be put, there? (Andy Proctor) > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:01:21 +0200 > > On 26/11/12 11:57, Mark Trickett wrote: >> Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:50:41 + From: Andy Proctor >> To: xubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] update-manager not on any of the menus >> and can't be put there? Message-ID: <50b13321.9060...@gpshelp.co.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On >> 24/11/12 18:56, Knute Johnson wrote: On 11/24/2012 10:49 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 08:53 -0800, Knute Johnson wrote: >> On 11/23/2012 01:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 20:48 +, Andy Proctor wrote: On 23/11/12 14:07, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Knute Johnson > wrote: >If I go into the Settings Manager, select Main Menu, > select >a submenu (in this case System) and then attempt to > enable >the Software Updater (which is update-manager) > program on >any of the menus it disables itself in a few seconds. > I hit >the checkbox next to update-manager and a few seconds > later >it un-checks. Anybody know what I'm doing wrong? > > > I don't think yo are doing anything wrong: I did a clean > install of > XUbuntu12.10 and appear to have the same problem ! > > Actually it doesn't appear to have anything to do with the > update-manager itself, as I tried enabling other items in the > system > menu and they too disable themselves a second after I check their > boxes ! > > Definitely a good case for a bug report IMHO ! :-/ > > -- > Vince > > Agree, I've tried what you said and have the same problem. Andy >>> Delete ~/.cache, I couldn't change fonts and e.g. even after editing >>> Evolution's config I couldn't change anything, because Evolution and >>> e.g. the appearance settings were used from the cache, even after >>> rebooting. >>> After deleting the cache, until now everything is ok. >>> >>> Hth, >>> Ralf >> That didn't work. Do you need to be root to change menus? > No, this can be done with user privileges. > > I did edit my menu with Alacarte (the app for "Main Menu") and I > experienced that I couldn't edit all entries as wanted. I couldn't > uncheck some, but delete them, I also couldn't add some apps that I > deleted some time before to the same menu were they were before, > instead > I had to put them to the sub menu "Other", deleting the cache indeed > didn't help. > > :( > > I found a bug for this. It is specific to Xubuntu. alacarte writes the menu file to the wrong name on Xubuntu. I just copied my ~/.config/menus/applications.menu file to xfce-applications.menu file and it now works fine. It is supposed to be fixed in R(can't remember) and they said
To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help
Not tested myself [1] and IMO this is just a minor issue, but perhaps there will follow more fixes in proposed updates. I wonder if switching to another DE would help to get back a stable desktop environment. OTOH I'm tired of unstopping switching the DE. Btw. is there a repository to downgrade Xfce and important dependencies? I also would like to get a downgraded version of GIMP and Evolution for Quantal. Is nobody on this list running into issues? Btw. GIMP isn't buggy, it's still stable, but the workflow is broken, too much changed. YMMV! [1] Forwarded Message From: Mark Trickett Reply-to: Xubuntu Support and User Discussions To: xubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] update-manager not on any of the menus and can't be put, there? (Andy Proctor) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:01:21 +0200 On 26/11/12 11:57, Mark Trickett wrote: > Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:50:41 + From: Andy Proctor > To: xubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] update-manager not on any of the menus > and can't be put there? Message-ID: <50b13321.9060...@gpshelp.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On > 24/11/12 18:56, Knute Johnson wrote: >>> On 11/24/2012 10:49 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 08:53 -0800, Knute Johnson wrote: > On 11/23/2012 01:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 20:48 +, Andy Proctor wrote: >>> On 23/11/12 14:07, Vincent Trouilliez wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Knute Johnson wrote: If I go into the Settings Manager, select Main Menu, select a submenu (in this case System) and then attempt to enable the Software Updater (which is update-manager) program on any of the menus it disables itself in a few seconds. I hit the checkbox next to update-manager and a few seconds later it un-checks. Anybody know what I'm doing wrong? I don't think yo are doing anything wrong: I did a clean install of XUbuntu12.10 and appear to have the same problem ! Actually it doesn't appear to have anything to do with the update-manager itself, as I tried enabling other items in the system menu and they too disable themselves a second after I check their boxes ! Definitely a good case for a bug report IMHO ! :-/ -- Vince >>> Agree, I've tried what you said and have the same problem. >>> >>> Andy >> Delete ~/.cache, I couldn't change fonts and e.g. even after editing >> Evolution's config I couldn't change anything, because Evolution and >> e.g. the appearance settings were used from the cache, even after >> rebooting. >> After deleting the cache, until now everything is ok. >> >> Hth, >> Ralf > That didn't work. Do you need to be root to change menus? No, this can be done with user privileges. I did edit my menu with Alacarte (the app for "Main Menu") and I experienced that I couldn't edit all entries as wanted. I couldn't uncheck some, but delete them, I also couldn't add some apps that I deleted some time before to the same menu were they were before, instead I had to put them to the sub menu "Other", deleting the cache indeed didn't help. :( >>> I found a bug for this. It is specific to Xubuntu. alacarte writes >>> the menu file to the wrong name on Xubuntu. I just copied my >>> ~/.config/menus/applications.menu file to xfce-applications.menu file >>> and it now works fine. >>> >>> It is supposed to be fixed in R(can't remember) and they said there >>> was a fix in Quantal proposed but I can't find it there. The work >>> around is OK for now I guess. >>> >>> Bug #1069207 >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >> Dear Knute, this workaround solves it, many thanks! I look forward to >> the fix in a future release, till then all good! >> >> Andy >> >> > I ran into this just last night. I noticed that there's an update to > Alacarte (the software that is the menu item editor in Xubuntu 12.10) > and it's been accepted into Pre-Release Updates Proposed. So, in > Software Sources/Updater, I enabled backports, ran an update, and it > was fixed. > > Mark > > Sorry major edit: Enable proposed updates.not backports...Apologies Mark -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
