Re: line-in stays clean, mic signal processed
On Saturday 23 February 2008, Christopher Stamper wrote: > You *CAN'T* say that HERE > > Linux will *NEVER* get obsolete!!! Yeah, and I will never give up my beloved TRS-80 Color Computer 2 with Microsoft Disk Extended Color BASIC. There was actually a time when I was pissed at my father for buying a crappy PC instead of the CoCo3 I wanted. He made the right choice, but when I look back on all that, it was because of the CoCo and CoCo2 that I cared about music on computers, and have been so intimately involved with it for so long. I was trying to do polyphonic music on the PC speaker way back when, and I jumped on soundcards when they came out. I had a Game Blaster, paid a fortune for the SDK and tried to write a composer and sound editor for it. I had one of the very first run of Sound Blasters, back when Game Blaster backward-compatibility actually mattered. But all of that stuff is so obsolete I don't even have it in a drawer anymore. There's no telling what we're looking at in the future, but I guess I will still be on the frontier when we get there. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: line-in stays clean, mic signal processed
" (Though it's hard to imagine that any of this will still exist 25 years from now. I wonder when Linux and Rosegarden will become totally obsolete, like 5.25" floppy disks.)" :-0 You *CAN'T* say that HERE Linux will *NEVER* get obsolete!!! :-) lol On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM, D. Michael McIntyre < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 23 February 2008, raydar wrote: > > XML file, huh? That sounds like something I could do; how hard is it to > > gather the data to put in it, > > Damnfino. > > > and is there an example? > > /usr/share/qamix/*.xml > > > Could be moot > > now if I keep using this sound card, but it's easily 5+ years old--that > > being likely why it worked, from what you wrote--although if I find the > > sound quality unacceptable and get a new card, it'd be good to know & > > maybe helpful to anyone else struggling with onboard sound or a too-new > > card, as you said. > > If you get a new card, spend some money and be happier. > > But this whole issue is probably worth addressing. I know in years of > Rosegarden, despite years of recommendations to the contrary, most people > are > still trying to make do with some total pile of crap. Especially laptop > users. So it's well worth someone figuring out how to get something like > the > card you encountered to work with QAMix. I'm just too busy to volunteer > for > that. I have enough left on my TODO list at Rosegarden to keep me busy > for > the next 25 years at the rate I'm going. (Though it's hard to imagine > that > any of this will still exist 25 years from now. I wonder when Linux and > Rosegarden will become totally obsolete, like 5.25" floppy disks.) > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Christopher Stamper [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg Skype: cdstamper -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: line-in stays clean, mic signal processed
On Saturday 23 February 2008, raydar wrote: > XML file, huh? That sounds like something I could do; how hard is it to > gather the data to put in it, Damnfino. > and is there an example? /usr/share/qamix/*.xml > Could be moot > now if I keep using this sound card, but it's easily 5+ years old--that > being likely why it worked, from what you wrote--although if I find the > sound quality unacceptable and get a new card, it'd be good to know & > maybe helpful to anyone else struggling with onboard sound or a too-new > card, as you said. If you get a new card, spend some money and be happier. But this whole issue is probably worth addressing. I know in years of Rosegarden, despite years of recommendations to the contrary, most people are still trying to make do with some total pile of crap. Especially laptop users. So it's well worth someone figuring out how to get something like the card you encountered to work with QAMix. I'm just too busy to volunteer for that. I have enough left on my TODO list at Rosegarden to keep me busy for the next 25 years at the rate I'm going. (Though it's hard to imagine that any of this will still exist 25 years from now. I wonder when Linux and Rosegarden will become totally obsolete, like 5.25" floppy disks.) -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: line-in stays clean, mic signal processed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Send Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-Studio-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: line-in stays clean, mic signal processed (raydar) > 2. Re: Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate (Dave Ricketzz) >3. Re: line-in stays clean, mic signal processed > (D. Michael McIntyre) >4. Re: Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate (D. Michael McIntyre) >5. Re: Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate (Jack Bowling) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:21:05 -0600 > From: raydar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: line-in stays clean, mic signal processed > To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > > On Wednesday 20 February 2008, raydar wrote: > > >>>> This seems tantalizingly close to sounding like an audio port >>>> configuration change of some kind, but I'm just clueless enough not to >>>> know precisely where to prod in Linux. Does this sound like a symptom >>>> anyone else has had? >>>> >> >> > > >> Sounds like some trouble I used to have with the emu10k1. >> > > >> I'm not looking at a setup with the same hardware as yours, but this might >> work. Try running QAmix, and play with the combo box on the Capture tab. I >> bet it's sitting at "Mic" and you want to change it to "Line." >> > > > Aha, thanks--I do think I've found a solid limb on the troubleshooting tree . > . . I had fired up QAMix before, just looking for levels to adjust or mutes > to unmute, but now that you said "combo box" and I just have a big blank > space where apparently it should be, I'm thinking something's definitely odd. > I.e., if my QAMix "Capture" tab is supposed to look anything like it does > here http://www.suse.de/~mana/kalsatools.html then I need to reinstall QAMix > or reconfigure whatever QAMix looks to in order to populate the "Capture" tab > with appropriate controls, 'cause all I have are (1) 2 vertical sliders with > green fields for numbers above them, (2) 2 "Lock" checkboxes, with the labels > "Capture" and "Active," and (3) 2 checkboxes without any label, roughly > centered under the vertical sliders. (All those checkboxes are checked, & > sliders are at 50%.) To the right of that, the "Capture" tab is just blank, > as opposed to having the 3 combo boxes I see in the link above. QAMix is show > ing version 0.0.7 and "HDA-Intel" at the top, and under the "Soundcard" menu > item it shows "HDA-Intel (hw:0)." (But I just can't have an outdated > version; this is a fresh install. :] ) > > So, I'm reckoning you're right on as to the setting that needs to be changed; > any thoughts on where to go from here, to make it present itself for > alteration? > > --Ray > > > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:48:16 -0800 (PST) > From: Dave Ricketzz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate > To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > In that case I'd use a non-clipping peak limiter just in case. The land > beyond digital zero is an ugly place. > > "Rafael F. Compte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The dynamic range should match > the end-user listening environment. Pop music is mixed for MP-3 players, > good jazz is not. > In my profession as a classical guitar player I've never really cared about > compression, because, as I see it, it is better left off ! I want to handle > dynamic range myself ! > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinf
Re: line-in stays clean, mic signal processed
On Thursday 21 February 2008, raydar wrote: > "HDA-Intel (hw:0)." (But I just can't have an outdated version; this is a > fresh install. :] ) Everybody has an outdated version. The upstream source hasn't been touched since 2003. That's most likely the root of your trouble. You probably need to create an .xml file for it that describes the specifics of your sound chip. I'm afraid I have no idea how to do that. I've never fooled around with the .xml files with this thing. Since QAMix is STILL the only Linux mixer client on the planet that presents controls I can figure out how to use to control the AC97 capture, it's probably worth someone blowing the dust off this relic, and updating it to accommodate modern soundcards. Actually, I intended to do that years ago, but it hasn't happened in five years or so, and it's not likely to happen now either. Sorry. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: line-in stays clean, mic signal processed
> On Wednesday 20 February 2008, raydar wrote: > > > This seems tantalizingly close to sounding like an audio port > > > configuration change of some kind, but I'm just clueless enough not to > > > know precisely where to prod in Linux. Does this sound like a symptom > > > anyone else has had? > > Sounds like some trouble I used to have with the emu10k1. > I'm not looking at a setup with the same hardware as yours, but this might > work. Try running QAmix, and play with the combo box on the Capture tab. I > bet it's sitting at "Mic" and you want to change it to "Line." Aha, thanks--I do think I've found a solid limb on the troubleshooting tree . . . I had fired up QAMix before, just looking for levels to adjust or mutes to unmute, but now that you said "combo box" and I just have a big blank space where apparently it should be, I'm thinking something's definitely odd. I.e., if my QAMix "Capture" tab is supposed to look anything like it does here http://www.suse.de/~mana/kalsatools.html then I need to reinstall QAMix or reconfigure whatever QAMix looks to in order to populate the "Capture" tab with appropriate controls, 'cause all I have are (1) 2 vertical sliders with green fields for numbers above them, (2) 2 "Lock" checkboxes, with the labels "Capture" and "Active," and (3) 2 checkboxes without any label, roughly centered under the vertical sliders. (All those checkboxes are checked, & sliders are at 50%.) To the right of that, the "Capture" tab is just blank, as opposed to having the 3 combo boxes I see in the link above. QAMix is showing version 0.0.7 and "HDA-Intel" at the top, and under the "Soundcard" menu item it shows "HDA-Intel (hw:0)." (But I just can't have an outdated version; this is a fresh install. :] ) So, I'm reckoning you're right on as to the setting that needs to be changed; any thoughts on where to go from here, to make it present itself for alteration? --Ray -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: line-in stays clean, mic signal processed
On Wednesday 20 February 2008, raydar wrote: > This seems tantalizingly close to sounding like an audio port > configuration change of some kind, but I'm just clueless enough not to > know precisely where to prod in Linux. Does this sound like a symptom > anyone else has had? Sounds like some trouble I used to have with the emu10k1. I'm not looking at a setup with the same hardware as yours, but this might work. Try running QAmix, and play with the combo box on the Capture tab. I bet it's sitting at "Mic" and you want to change it to "Line." -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
line-in stays clean, mic signal processed
I recently freshly installed Ubuntu Studio Gutsy on a machine w/ Asus mobo, Intel onboard sound (fancy surround outputs etc. but I can't vouch for quality), and am running the realtime kernel. Regular system sound has always worked fine, but I haven't been able to get Jack-based sound working right yet. I'll fire up the Jack Control and start Jack, then run Creox, Ardour, or both, and plug a guitar in (usu. through a pedal, sometimes straight in). Through my speakers, I can hear the clean (or otherwise) line-in sound just fine, but no matter what I try in a mixer, Jack's connections and settings, Creox's settings, or Ardour's settings, I cannot get that line-in input processed--Creox doesn't mangle it and Ardour doesn't record it. But if I reach over and plug the input into the computer's mic input instead, it works, noisily--& there's an annoying noise-gatey effect, like mic voice activation or something, in Creox (not an intentional effect as far as I can tell), and whatever's causing that, I really I ought to be able to use line-in too. This seems tantalizingly close to sounding like an audio port configuration change of some kind, but I'm just clueless enough not to know precisely where to prod in Linux. Does this sound like a symptom anyone else has had? Jack settings, not that this will help if it's an audio hardware config thing, are as follows: realtime soft mode priority = 0 frames/pd. = 1024 sample rate = 48000 periods/buffer = 3 port max = 256 timeout ms = 500 interface = default dither = none audio = duplex input device = default output device = default input channels = 2 output channels = 2 input latency = 0 output latency = 0 (I'm showing latency of 64ms, but Jack goes xrun crazy on me if I don't select soft mode, and it's the best I've been able to do so far, unfortunately.) Hardware wise, I'm showing, under High Definition Audio Controller, ALC880 Analog ALSA Capture Device ALC880 Analog ALSA Capture Device HDA Intel ALSA Control Device ALC880 Analog ALSA Playback Device ALC880 Analog OSS Control Device ALC880 Analog OSS PCM Device ALC880 Analog OSS PCM Device and in Creox's Jack settings, I'm showing alsa_pcm:capture_1 alsa_pcm:capture_2 alsa_pcm:playback_1 alsa_pcm:playback_2 which are what show up as capture_1 capture_2 playback_1 playback_2 in Jack's Connections window under alsa_pcm along with input & output entries for Creox. So it seems like all the elements I'd expect are there. I apologize if this is a hardware and not U.Studio issue; haven't heard a peep on the Ubuntu forums. Thanks for any help! --Ray -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
