Re: New translation for Ubuntu

[Josef Andersson]

Den 2017-06-03 kl. 14:00, skrev ubuntu-translators-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com:
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> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 13:49:28 -0600
> From: "Demuxer @gmail" 
> To: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: New translation for Ubuntu
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> Hi team, Im from Guatemala and we have an interested group in create a new
> language option/pack.
> I use to translate some english strings and know how those process works
> https://launchpad.net/~demuxer but now at Ubuntu Guatemala
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GuatemalanTeam we have a large mayan people using
> Kaqchikel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaqchikel_people and we would like
> to create this translation,
> 
> What is the first step?
> Is it possible to have a branch from the SPANISH - LATAM ? the translators
> are better with spanish than english, of course this would change in
> another Ubuntu Release, but we prefer 'spanish' as a base.
> 
> Thanks for your reply
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> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 22:28:01 +0200
> From: Gunnar Hjalmarsson 
> To: Demuxer , ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: New translation for Ubuntu
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> Hi!
> 
> On 2017-06-02 21:49, Demuxer @gmail wrote:
>> Hi team, Im from Guatemala and we have an interested group in create
>> a new language option/pack.
>> I use to translate some english strings and know how those process
>> works https://launchpad.net/~demuxer but now at Ubuntu Guatemala 
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GuatemalanTeam we have a large mayan people 
>> using Kaqchikel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaqchikel_people and we
>>  would like to create this translation,
>>
>> What is the first step?
> 
> First I'd like to emphasize that translating Ubuntu into a new language 
> is quite a big undertaking. This check list may give you an idea of 
> what's involved:
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam
> 
> One thing I'd recommend is that you talk with some members of the 
> Spanish translators team to get an idea of the amount of work involved 
> to achieve and - not least - maintain sufficient translation coverage to 
> justify the creation of a new language.
> 
> Otherwise, as a direct answer to your question, creating a locale for 
> the new language would probably be step #1.
> 
>> Is it possible to have a branch from the SPANISH - LATAM ? the 
>> translators are better with spanish than english, of course this
>> would change in another Ubuntu Release, but we prefer 'spanish' as a
>> base.
> 
> No, the translation infrastructure of Ubuntu does not allow for such an 
> arrangement. The original language is English, and all translations are 
> based on English directly.
> 

Also, I would recommend anyone starting out with a new language translation for 
Ubuntu to focus on the GNOME desktop. GNOME desktop is going to be the default 
in Ubuntu in the near future. Therefore, I would recommend you to join the 
GNOME Translation project, https://wiki.gnome.org/TranslationProject/ and start 
there.

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translations.launchpad.net not sending out mail on request for download??

[Josef Andersson]

At https://translations.launchpad.net
I'm trying do download an offline pofile, as you can do under any translation 
with the 
link "Download translation".

Usually I will receive an email with a download link it after maximum a couple 
of minutes. Now it
has been a few hours, and nothing so far. I've retried a couple of times, and 
nothing. (And
of course I looked into junk mail etc). Regular success message shown after 
link is clicked.

Can someone else be kind and verify if it works for them, i.e. if they will get 
an link per email?
The translation I tried was for Redshift.
https://translations.launchpad.net/redshift/trunk/+pots/redshift/sv

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Re: Ubuntu phone translations stats back online

[Josef Andersson]

The Swedish translation stats for Mediascanner scope and Web browser app 
haven't updated altough they've been finished for a while.
http://projects.davidplanella.org/stats/vivid/sv
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General translationrelated bugs in 14.10

[Josef Andersson]

Hi!
So far I found and reported two general translation related bugs in 14.10.
Would be great if more translators could verify, (or deny) if they have the 
same problems in 14.10 and 
if so, choose affects me in Launchpad.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1375979
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poedit/+bug/1374989
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Re: To easily obtain all translationsfiles for a given release

[Josef Andersson]

Den 2014-09-21 12:40, David Planella skrev:
> Hi Josef,
> 
> Not all translatable files are available in the language packs export, as 
> some of them need to be loaded before language packs are available (e.g. the 
> installer).

> However, it surprises me that the list is 40 packages long. Could you show us 
> exactly which translation files you're missing, and then I can perhaps give 
> you a better answer?

Sure, I can at least list some of them. I've only noticed the  
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/ubiquity/+pots/ubiquity-debconf/sv/+translate
 file is missing, because that was the one I was looking for, however - I did a 
quick compare with the filenames of the 460 po-files to the ones mentioned as 
translatable and found some others.For anyone wanting to check this out, all 
that is needed is to compare the list for the 14.10 release 
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+lang/sv (your lang of course) 
and compare it to the number of po files in your base lang pack 
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+language-packs

Some examples 
apt-all
ciborium
click
componentshowcase
debian-installer
debian-installer-help
desktop-kde-config-whoopsie
desktop-kubuntu-web-shortcuts
edubuntu-live
gccxml
gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas
indicator-transfer
kcm-driver-manager
kcm-whoopsie
kubuntu-patched-l
langpack-installer
libcwidget
libfriends
mcs
oxide
plainbox
software-center-doc
stubbox
sync-monitor
ubiquity-debconf
ubiquity-desktop
ubuntu-help
ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts
> Other than the options that I've already explained, there is no other 
> alternative that I know of.
> 

Yes, I understand that packages missing may have valid reasons from the 
technical point of view of where they are used, but from the translators view 
it would be a nice feature to just download all listed as translatable in one 
go - for consistency greps and other stuff :)

Thanks for taking the time to answer David, I'll put in a feature request for 
this in launchpad.

Best
/Josef
> Cheers,
> David.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Josef Andersson  <mailto:josef.anders...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the answer David! The base pack download (method 2) is what I 
> was doing, but then it's missing a few files, like the installer
> (ubiquity and friends) even though they are listed as translatable 
> packages for the 14.10 release 
> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+lang/sv
> 500 files compared to 460 in the base pack download. For whatever reason 
> (being installer or something else) they are not included in the base pack 
> download I think
> life would be easier if there was a way to download *all* items 
> corrensponding to the list of translatable items for a distribution as one 
> zip in launchpad. As of now, that use case doesn't seem possible then?
> 
> /Josef
> 
> Den 2014-09-20 17:46, David Planella skrev:
> > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Josef Andersson 
> mailto:josef.anders...@gmail.com> 
> <mailto:josef.anders...@gmail.com <mailto:josef.anders...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello fellow translators!
> >
> > I would like to be able download all language files listed as 
> translateable for 14.10 at once. Why? To be able to grep in them, so that the 
> translations of certain key words stays the same.
> > Also, it would make it easy to find translation bugs, when I don't 
> know in which package they are - in launchpad you can't search all files in a 
> language at once (
> > as far as I know).
> >
> > I asked a question about it, and got the "why" to as why all not 
> language files are in the base 
> pack.https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/254729
> > Are the any other easy way to download them all in one go?
> >
> >
> > Hi Josef,
> >
> > You've got two options:
> >
> > 1. Use the translations-search tool. You can install it from the Ubuntu 
> Translations Coordinators PPA
> >
> > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-translations-coordinators/ppa
> > sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-l10n-tools
> >
> > Examples:
> >
> > translations-search --help # Shows the tool's options and help
> > translations-search gat # Searches for string 'gat' in the translations 
> installed for the user's language
> > translatons-search --original cat # Searches for string 'cat' in the 
> original English strings for the translations installed 

Re: To easily obtain all translationsfiles for a given release

[Josef Andersson]

Thanks for the answer David! The base pack download (method 2) is what I was 
doing, but then it's missing a few files, like the installer
(ubiquity and friends) even though they are listed as translatable packages for 
the 14.10 release https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+lang/sv
500 files compared to 460 in the base pack download. For whatever reason (being 
installer or something else) they are not included in the base pack download I 
think
life would be easier if there was a way to download *all* items corrensponding 
to the list of translatable items for a distribution as one zip in launchpad. 
As of now, that use case doesn't seem possible then?

/Josef

Den 2014-09-20 17:46, David Planella skrev:
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Josef Andersson  <mailto:josef.anders...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow translators!
> 
> I would like to be able download all language files listed as 
> translateable for 14.10 at once. Why? To be able to grep in them, so that the 
> translations of certain key words stays the same.
> Also, it would make it easy to find translation bugs, when I don't know 
> in which package they are - in launchpad you can't search all files in a 
> language at once (
> as far as I know).
> 
> I asked a question about it, and got the "why" to as why all not language 
> files are in the base 
> pack.https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/254729
> Are the any other easy way to download them all in one go?
> 
> 
> Hi Josef,
> 
> You've got two options:
> 
> 1. Use the translations-search tool. You can install it from the Ubuntu 
> Translations Coordinators PPA
> 
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-translations-coordinators/ppa
> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-l10n-tools
> 
> Examples:
> 
> translations-search --help # Shows the tool's options and help
> translations-search gat # Searches for string 'gat' in the translations 
> installed for the user's language
> translatons-search --original cat # Searches for string 'cat' in the original 
> English strings for the translations installed in the system
> translations-search "espai de disc" # Search translations for a sentence
> translations-search "@[\w.]+" # Use Python regex expressions to search for 
> translations (in this case an e-mail-like string)
> 
> 2. Alternatively, download all po files from the language pack exports from 
> Launchpad -> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/Exporting#Getting_all_translations
> 
> I'd recommend option 1, as it's much easier.
> 
> 
> I wish Canonical had something like Microsoft has here: 
> http://www.microsoft.com/Language/en-us/Search.aspx?sString=terms&langID=sv-se
> 
> 
> Nothing should stop anyone from contributing something similar if they see it 
> could benefit the work of translators.
> 
> In any case, I hope this helps!
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
>  
> 
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To easily obtain all translationsfiles for a given release

[Josef Andersson]

Hello fellow translators!

I would like to be able download all language files listed as translateable for 
14.10 at once. Why? To be able to grep in them, so that the translations of 
certain key words stays the same.
Also, it would make it easy to find translation bugs, when I don't know in 
which package they are - in launchpad you can't search all files in a language 
at once (
as far as I know).

I asked a question about it, and got the "why" to as why all not language files 
are in the base 
pack.https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/254729
Are the any other easy way to download them all in one go?

I wish Canonical had something like Microsoft has here: 
http://www.microsoft.com/Language/en-us/Search.aspx?sString=terms&langID=sv-se

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Ubuntu Touch emulator - problem with latest builds?

[Josef Andersson]

I was going to try a new build of the Ubuntu Touch Emulator but only get
a blank screen with the latest builds. My ambition was to test out the
Swedish translation in it's real context to find errors. I have tried
the emulator on two different setups, (which both worked fine with the
emulator at about two weeks ago) and I can't get it too work on any of
them. I asked for confirmation in the Swedish forum, and so far, I got
confirmation from one other person that it doesn't work.

Would be great if somebody else could confirm if a * new * instance is
working for them (on a fully updated 14.04).
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Re: How often does the langpacks update?

[Josef Andersson]

Doesn't anybody know, I guess it doesn't happen at random..

/Josef


On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Phillip Sz wrote:

> Same for German.
> A new language pack would be great.
>
> Phillip
>
> Am 13.05.2014 18:04 schrieb "Josef Andersson" :
>
> >
> > I fixed a quite critical translation in the Swedish langpack a while ago
> (04-27), and although the fix is the current Swedish translation in
> launchpad, it hasn't been made available in any update yet. The latest
> langpacks for Swedish available in Ubuntu update is from the beginning of
> April. So, my question is, how long does it take for an translation that
> has been set as current to trickle down in an update? I thought the
> langpacks were updated quite often, (when translations changed in
> launchpad), but that doesn't seem to be the case.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Josef
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How often does the langpacks update?

[Josef Andersson]

I fixed a quite critical translation in the Swedish langpack a while ago
(04-27), and although the fix is the current Swedish translation in
launchpad, it hasn't been made available in any update yet. The latest
langpacks for Swedish available in Ubuntu update is from the beginning of
April. So, my question is, how long does it take for an translation that
has been set as current to trickle down in an update? I thought the
langpacks were updated quite often, (when translations changed in
launchpad), but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Best regards
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