Re: Notes about translation of Ubuntu 18.04

[Simos Xenitellis]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 2:20 AM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson  wrote:
> On 2018-04-02 23:37, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
>>
>> Do the daily ISOs get the exported Launchpad translations of the
>> previous day?
>
>
> No.
>
>> If not, when do the translations make it to the daily ISOs?
>
>
> New language packs are created weekly during the development cycle. So once
> such a langpack update has landed, the next 7 (or so) daily ISOs will carry
> those langpacks.
>

Thanks.

To check if there is a new language pack, I do (now):

myusername@vbox:~$ apt policy language-pack-el
language-pack-el:
  Εγκατεστημένα: 1:18.04+20180322
  Υποψήφιο:  1:18.04+20180329
  Πίνακας Έκδοσης:
 1:18.04+20180329 500
500 http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages
500 http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main i386 Packages
 *** 1:18.04+20180322 100
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
myusername@vbox:~$

It says that I have installed the 2018-03-22 version, and there is a
new version 2018-03-29 waiting to be installed.

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Re: Notes about translation of Ubuntu 18.04

[Simos Xenitellis]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:12 AM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson  wrote:
> On 2018-04-02 23:48, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
>>
>> For those languages that have nouns with a genitive form (usually
>> Eastern European languages), they can update for date format strings
>> to appear more natural. The locale files have been autoupdated a few
>> months ago, and the changes are in 18.04.
>> This has been posted here a few months ago as well.
>>
>> In a nutshell, the genitive form of a noun like "April" is a single
>> word in Greek and looks like "Apriliou".
>> In English, the genitive form is not a single word, it's "of April".
>> In Ubuntu 16.04, the locale for the full month name in Greek was
>> "April" (Απρίλης).
>> In Ubuntu 18.04, the new locale has "Apriliou" (Απριλίου) instead.
>>
>> I do not have the definitive list of the locations of the date format
>> strings.
>
>
> Thanks for that info!
>
> Just run this command:
>
> $ LC_TIME=el_GR.UTF-8 locale alt_mon
> Ιανουάριος;Φεβρουάριος;Μάρτιος;Απρίλιος;Μάιος;Ιούνιος;Ιούλιος;Αύγουστος;Σεπτέμβριος;Οκτώβριος;Νοέμβριος;Δεκέμβριος
>
> Do you know if there is a strftime() conversion specification available yet,
> similar to %B, which refers to this new alt_mon component in the locale
> definitions?
>

There is a GNU extension for glibc2 for this, and it's "%OB" (that's a
capital "o"). That is, a modifier is added to get the alternate month
name.
This was added in glibc 2.27, and it's in Ubuntu 18.04.

Overall, quoting from
http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Formatting-Calendar-Time.html
:

"An optional modifier can follow the optional flag and width
specification. The modifiers, which were first standardized by
POSIX.2-1992 and by ISO C99, are:
   EUse the locale’s alternate representation for date and time.
This modifier applies to the %c, %C, %x, %X, %y and %Y format
specifiers. In a Japanese locale, for example, %Ex might yield a date
format based on the Japanese Emperors’ reigns.
   OWith all format specifiers that produce numbers: use the
locale’s alternate numeric symbols.

   With %B, %b, and %h: use the grammatical form for month names that
is appropriate when the month is named by itself, rather than the form
that is appropriate when the month is used as part of a complete date.
This is a GNU extension."


Things to look for:

1. In previous versions of Ubuntu, %B is the month name in the nominative case.
In Ubuntu 18.04 (glibc2.27 or newer), %B is the month name in the
genitive case. %OB is the month name in the nominative case.

That is, %B has changed in its use. The reason is that %OB was already
implemented that way in FreeBSD,
so glibc2 did the switch as well for compatibility.

2. GCC currently emits a warning when it sees the %OB format, when you
compile code.
It is the code in GCC that checks for security issues in format
strings, and has not been updated yet.

3. The 'date' command does not support yet the %OB format. Apparently,
`date` does not pass the format verbatim to strftime(),

$ date "+%OB %B"
%OB Απριλίου

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Re: Notes about translation of Ubuntu 18.04

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2018-04-02 23:48, Simos Xenitellis wrote:

For those languages that have nouns with a genitive form (usually
Eastern European languages), they can update for date format strings
to appear more natural. The locale files have been autoupdated a few
months ago, and the changes are in 18.04.
This has been posted here a few months ago as well.

In a nutshell, the genitive form of a noun like "April" is a single
word in Greek and looks like "Apriliou".
In English, the genitive form is not a single word, it's "of April".
In Ubuntu 16.04, the locale for the full month name in Greek was
"April" (Απρίλης).
In Ubuntu 18.04, the new locale has "Apriliou" (Απριλίου) instead.

I do not have the definitive list of the locations of the date format
strings.


Thanks for that info!

Just run this command:

$ LC_TIME=el_GR.UTF-8 locale alt_mon
Ιανουάριος;Φεβρουάριος;Μάρτιος;Απρίλιος;Μάιος;Ιούνιος;Ιούλιος;Αύγουστος;Σεπτέμβριος;Οκτώβριος;Νοέμβριος;Δεκέμβριος

Do you know if there is a strftime() conversion specification available 
yet, similar to %B, which refers to this new alt_mon component in the 
locale definitions?


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Re: Notes about translation of Ubuntu 18.04

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2018-04-02 23:37, Simos Xenitellis wrote:

Do the daily ISOs get the exported Launchpad translations of the
previous day?


No.


If not, when do the translations make it to the daily ISOs?


New language packs are created weekly during the development cycle. So 
once such a langpack update has landed, the next 7 (or so) daily ISOs 
will carry those langpacks.


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Re: Notes about translation of Ubuntu 18.04

[Simos Xenitellis]

Hi Gunnar,

For those languages that have nouns with a genitive form (usually
Eastern European languages),
they can update for date format strings to appear more natural.
The locale files have been autoupdated a few months ago, and the
changes are in 18.04.
This has been posted here a few months ago as well.

In a nutshell, the genitive form of a noun like "April" is a single
word in Greek and looks like "Apriliou".
In English, the genitive form is not a single word, it's "of April".
In Ubuntu 16.04, the locale for the full month name in Greek was
"April" (Απρίλης).
In Ubuntu 18.04, the new locale has "Apriliou" (Απριλίου) instead.

I do not have the definitive list of the locations of the date format strings.

Simos

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 10:25 PM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson  wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> 2.5 weeks left until final freeze, and I'd like to call your attention to a
> few things.
>
> The translation coverage of the snapd package (the snappy template) is poor
> in many languages. Some issues with the translation template have probably
> contributed to that, but also the fact that the template has had too low
> priority in the Launchpad interface. I have raised the priority, so now the
> snappy template is shown on the first page of the translation overview for
> respective language, for instance:
>
> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+lang/gl
>
> It should be noted that Launchpad is upstream for the snapd translations.
>
> After the switch to GNOME, some of the core GNOME packages are more
> important than when Unity was default in Ubuntu. The GNOME packages are
> translated upstream, and in many cases the upstream translations are simply
> imported to LP and added to our language packs and there is not much to do
> for the translators on the Ubuntu side.
>
> But..
>
> Some of the GNOME packages have Ubuntu modifications with translatable
> strings which have to be translated via Launchpad.
>
> gnome-software
> gnome-control-center
> gnome-online-accounts
> gnome-session
>
> I'm sure there are more of the kind, but the ones mentioned are some of the
> most important. (Also, due to various packaging issues some of the Ubuntu
> specific strings have been made available at Launchpad just recently.)
>
> It may consequently be a good idea to review the Launchpad translation
> overview and look for GNOME templates with untranslated strings, even for
> packages which you know are fully translated upstream.
>
> As regards the Ubuntu Desktop Guide: As mentioned previously, the desktop
> guide now consists to >90% of pages from the gnome-user-docs and
> gnome-getting-started-docs packages, which are translated upstream only. The
> ubuntu-docs package (template ubuntu-help), which adds a few pages, is
> translated at LP, though.
>
> That's it for now. Please don't hesitate to ask for clarifications. And, if
> you encounter Ubuntu issues when translating, please file bug reports
> against the ubuntu-translations project.
>
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Re: Notes about translation of Ubuntu 18.04

[Simos Xenitellis]

Hi Gunnar,

Do the daily ISOs get the exported Launchpad translations of the previous day?
If not, when do the translations make it to the daily ISOs?

Simos

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 10:25 PM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson  wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> 2.5 weeks left until final freeze, and I'd like to call your attention to a
> few things.
>
> The translation coverage of the snapd package (the snappy template) is poor
> in many languages. Some issues with the translation template have probably
> contributed to that, but also the fact that the template has had too low
> priority in the Launchpad interface. I have raised the priority, so now the
> snappy template is shown on the first page of the translation overview for
> respective language, for instance:
>
> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+lang/gl
>
> It should be noted that Launchpad is upstream for the snapd translations.
>
> After the switch to GNOME, some of the core GNOME packages are more
> important than when Unity was default in Ubuntu. The GNOME packages are
> translated upstream, and in many cases the upstream translations are simply
> imported to LP and added to our language packs and there is not much to do
> for the translators on the Ubuntu side.
>
> But..
>
> Some of the GNOME packages have Ubuntu modifications with translatable
> strings which have to be translated via Launchpad.
>
> gnome-software
> gnome-control-center
> gnome-online-accounts
> gnome-session
>
> I'm sure there are more of the kind, but the ones mentioned are some of the
> most important. (Also, due to various packaging issues some of the Ubuntu
> specific strings have been made available at Launchpad just recently.)
>
> It may consequently be a good idea to review the Launchpad translation
> overview and look for GNOME templates with untranslated strings, even for
> packages which you know are fully translated upstream.
>
> As regards the Ubuntu Desktop Guide: As mentioned previously, the desktop
> guide now consists to >90% of pages from the gnome-user-docs and
> gnome-getting-started-docs packages, which are translated upstream only. The
> ubuntu-docs package (template ubuntu-help), which adds a few pages, is
> translated at LP, though.
>
> That's it for now. Please don't hesitate to ask for clarifications. And, if
> you encounter Ubuntu issues when translating, please file bug reports
> against the ubuntu-translations project.
>
> --
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>
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Re: Notes about translation of Ubuntu 18.04

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Hi Ask!

On 2018-04-01 22:05, Ask Hjorth Larsen wrote:

2018-04-01 21:25 GMT+02:00 Gunnar Hjalmarsson :

After the switch to GNOME, some of the core GNOME packages are
more important than when Unity was default in Ubuntu. The GNOME
packages are translated upstream, and in many cases the upstream
translations are simply imported to LP and added to our language
packs and there is not much to do for the translators on the Ubuntu
side.

But..

Some of the GNOME packages have Ubuntu modifications with
translatable strings which have to be translated via Launchpad.

gnome-software
gnome-control-center
gnome-online-accounts
gnome-session


Thank you very much for this useful information.

One question: Is there a way to see, or to know by means of some
public schedule, at what time imports will be done from upstream to
Launchpad?  The idea is to know whether to upload a translation
manually or simply wait for an automatic process.  We can upload our
upstream translations manually, but that's a lot of work when there
many modules.


I wish I could say there is, but I'm afraid I can't.

For many (most?) GNOME packages, both template updates and translation 
imports from upstream happen when respective package is uploaded to 
Ubuntu. Unless the upstream .po file is complete at that time, the 
untranslated strings in the LP interface may include both upstream and 
Ubuntu specific strings.


The information about in which file a string is located may serve as 
guidance, admittedly not always easy to interpret, in this respect.


Some packages are set up so the translations are synced with upstream 
and thus LP is continually updated with upstream translations. But 
AFAIU, the problem with distinguishing between upstream and Ubuntu 
specific strings is present also for those packages.


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Re: Notes about translation of Ubuntu 18.04

[Ask Hjorth Larsen]

Hi Gunnar,

2018-04-01 21:25 GMT+02:00 Gunnar Hjalmarsson :
> Hi all!
>
> 2.5 weeks left until final freeze, and I'd like to call your attention to a
> few things.
>
> The translation coverage of the snapd package (the snappy template) is poor
> in many languages. Some issues with the translation template have probably
> contributed to that, but also the fact that the template has had too low
> priority in the Launchpad interface. I have raised the priority, so now the
> snappy template is shown on the first page of the translation overview for
> respective language, for instance:
>
> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+lang/gl
>
> It should be noted that Launchpad is upstream for the snapd translations.
>
> After the switch to GNOME, some of the core GNOME packages are more
> important than when Unity was default in Ubuntu. The GNOME packages are
> translated upstream, and in many cases the upstream translations are simply
> imported to LP and added to our language packs and there is not much to do
> for the translators on the Ubuntu side.
>
> But..
>
> Some of the GNOME packages have Ubuntu modifications with translatable
> strings which have to be translated via Launchpad.
>
> gnome-software
> gnome-control-center
> gnome-online-accounts
> gnome-session

Thank you very much for this useful information.

One question: Is there a way to see, or to know by means of some
public schedule, at what time imports will be done from upstream to
Launchpad?  The idea is to know whether to upload a translation
manually or simply wait for an automatic process.  We can upload our
upstream translations manually, but that's a lot of work when there
many modules.

Best regards
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Notes about translation of Ubuntu 18.04

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Hi all!

2.5 weeks left until final freeze, and I'd like to call your attention 
to a few things.


The translation coverage of the snapd package (the snappy template) is 
poor in many languages. Some issues with the translation template have 
probably contributed to that, but also the fact that the template has 
had too low priority in the Launchpad interface. I have raised the 
priority, so now the snappy template is shown on the first page of the 
translation overview for respective language, for instance:


https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+lang/gl

It should be noted that Launchpad is upstream for the snapd translations.

After the switch to GNOME, some of the core GNOME packages are more 
important than when Unity was default in Ubuntu. The GNOME packages are 
translated upstream, and in many cases the upstream translations are 
simply imported to LP and added to our language packs and there is not 
much to do for the translators on the Ubuntu side.


But..

Some of the GNOME packages have Ubuntu modifications with translatable 
strings which have to be translated via Launchpad.


gnome-software
gnome-control-center
gnome-online-accounts
gnome-session

I'm sure there are more of the kind, but the ones mentioned are some of 
the most important. (Also, due to various packaging issues some of the 
Ubuntu specific strings have been made available at Launchpad just 
recently.)


It may consequently be a good idea to review the Launchpad translation 
overview and look for GNOME templates with untranslated strings, even 
for packages which you know are fully translated upstream.


As regards the Ubuntu Desktop Guide: As mentioned previously, the 
desktop guide now consists to >90% of pages from the gnome-user-docs and 
gnome-getting-started-docs packages, which are translated upstream only. 
The ubuntu-docs package (template ubuntu-help), which adds a few pages, 
is translated at LP, though.


That's it for now. Please don't hesitate to ask for clarifications. And, 
if you encounter Ubuntu issues when translating, please file bug reports 
against the ubuntu-translations project.


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