Re: So, now it looks like we will never get a phone, ever

2017-04-09 Thread Fòram na Gàidhlig 
> Maybe I should back up the Launchpad
> translations for our locale...

I always download everything I translate and keep a copy. And I feed
Virtaal's TM every time too. There is no such thing as a superfluous backup.

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Re: So, now it looks like we will never get a phone, ever

2017-04-08 Thread Michael Bauer 
This seems to be a bit of a pattern, sadly, as if translator time did 
not matter. First time I started pulling hair over this was when I found 
out that Launchpad a) does not sync translations with upstream projects 
and b) it is littered with dead project which are still "open" to 
translation.


All of this does is not conducive to cultivating a happy localization 
community.


The lack of communication from "above" is actually becoming a bit 
worrying too, I had that happen with Google In Your Language and a few 
others, usually followed by a blogpost by a third party informing the 
community the project is dead. Maybe I should back up the Launchpad 
translations for our locale...


Michael

Sgrìobh Marcin Xc na leanas 08/04/2017 aig 11:47:
All what someone does over there (Canonical) is splitting the 
community (GNOME to Unity switch + now killing UTouch) and 
discouraging people who sacrificed their time. I'm happy that apart 
from the phone project I didn't waste to much time translating Unity.


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Re: So, now it looks like we will never get a phone, ever

2017-04-08 Thread Marcin Xc 
"10-15 years until they are mature, I really don't get why phonedevelopment is 
not being given the same chance."
Nokia did not. The Problem with this phone was that it was never a phone: 
"first things first". If the phone used to function properly as a phone (NOKIA 
3210), there would be a platform to develop it further (to Nokia N52). Ubuntu 
Phone was like a Maseratti without wheels: convergence yes, but You can not 
hear a call or an incoming message nor synchronize Your contacts.
This is already the second time when I see how all the hard work goes down the 
drain: You didn't mention Ubuntu is going back to GNOME. All we did for GNOME 2 
was killed with the immature Unity idea (I tried to work with this environment 
twice and one day I decided to switch to MATE-Unity was like a step back from a 
101-keyboard to a 12-button cellphone).
All what someone does over there (Canonical) is splitting the community (GNOME 
to Unity switch + now killing UTouch) and discouraging people who sacrificed 
their time. I'm happy that apart from the phone project I didn't waste to much 
time translating Unity.
Flooded in grief
GTriderXC

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Subject: Re: So, now it looks like we will never get a phone, ever
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Well, that's a tinker phone. Nice for geeks like us, but for the average
user, not so much. I am talking about a phone for the average
computer-illierate who doesn't know any more about computer than swipe &
tap. We really need something out-of-the-box.

Even as a computer literate, I estimate that I'l need to spend at least
half an hour on their homepage doing some RTFM before I'll even
understand how to get the thing.

>From my experience as a localizer, most big FLOSS projects take about
10-15 years until they are mature, I really don't get why phone
development is not being given the same chance.



Sgr?obh Neil Jerram na leanas 07/04/2017 aig 09:46:
> If a free (libre) smartphone is your interest, the place to be is the
> GTA04 community (http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/).
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:50 PM F?ram na G?idhlig
> mailto:f...@foramnagaidhlig.net>> wrote:
> 
>    Hi all,
> 
>    Canonical is axing the developement of the phone and tablet:
> 
>    
>https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> 
>    Same story as with what Mozilla did to us: We spent years developing a
>    phone, localizing and creating a keyboard and a couple 100$ on devices
>    out of our private purses for testing, only for the project to be axed
>    before it had a chance to take off, because the "Internet of Things"
>    seems to be more attractive.
> 
>    We can also forget about getting our languages on iOS or Android,
>    because the manufacturers will decide which language are allowed on each
>    phone, not the user. So, if you're not one of the big 10-20 who happen
>    to be living in the wrong country, tough luck.
> 
>    After Adaptxt was axed and we had to move to Swiftkey, iOS isn't even
>    allowing our keyboard locale.
> 
> 
>    So, this is another VERY BLACK day for our languages, and a sad day for
>    all those developers who spent so much effort into giving us a free (as
>    in freedom) phone.
> 
>    I hope this mail reaches the powers that be.
> 
>    GunChleoc
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Re: So, now it looks like we will never get a phone, ever

2017-04-07 Thread Fòram na Gàidhlig 
Well, that's a tinker phone. Nice for geeks like us, but for the average
user, not so much. I am talking about a phone for the average
computer-illierate who doesn't know any more about computer than swipe &
tap. We really need something out-of-the-box.

Even as a computer literate, I estimate that I'l need to spend at least
half an hour on their homepage doing some RTFM before I'll even
understand how to get the thing.

From my experience as a localizer, most big FLOSS projects take about
10-15 years until they are mature, I really don't get why phone
development is not being given the same chance.



Sgrìobh Neil Jerram na leanas 07/04/2017 aig 09:46:
> If a free (libre) smartphone is your interest, the place to be is the
> GTA04 community (http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/).
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:50 PM Fòram na Gàidhlig
> mailto:f...@foramnagaidhlig.net>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Canonical is axing the developement of the phone and tablet:
> 
> 
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
> 
> Same story as with what Mozilla did to us: We spent years developing a
> phone, localizing and creating a keyboard and a couple 100$ on devices
> out of our private purses for testing, only for the project to be axed
> before it had a chance to take off, because the "Internet of Things"
> seems to be more attractive.
> 
> We can also forget about getting our languages on iOS or Android,
> because the manufacturers will decide which language are allowed on each
> phone, not the user. So, if you're not one of the big 10-20 who happen
> to be living in the wrong country, tough luck.
> 
> After Adaptxt was axed and we had to move to Swiftkey, iOS isn't even
> allowing our keyboard locale.
> 
> 
> So, this is another VERY BLACK day for our languages, and a sad day for
> all those developers who spent so much effort into giving us a free (as
> in freedom) phone.
> 
> I hope this mail reaches the powers that be.
> 
> GunChleoc
> 
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So, now it looks like we will never get a phone, ever

2017-04-06 Thread Fòram na Gàidhlig 
Hi all,

Canonical is axing the developement of the phone and tablet:

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/

Same story as with what Mozilla did to us: We spent years developing a
phone, localizing and creating a keyboard and a couple 100$ on devices
out of our private purses for testing, only for the project to be axed
before it had a chance to take off, because the "Internet of Things"
seems to be more attractive.

We can also forget about getting our languages on iOS or Android,
because the manufacturers will decide which language are allowed on each
phone, not the user. So, if you're not one of the big 10-20 who happen
to be living in the wrong country, tough luck.

After Adaptxt was axed and we had to move to Swiftkey, iOS isn't even
allowing our keyboard locale.


So, this is another VERY BLACK day for our languages, and a sad day for
all those developers who spent so much effort into giving us a free (as
in freedom) phone.

I hope this mail reaches the powers that be.

GunChleoc

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