Re: Templates in Terminal

[Claude Paroz]

Le dimanche 01 juin 2008 à 00:21 +0300, Eyal Levin a écrit :

> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Claude Paroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> Le samedi 31 mai 2008 à 20:48 +0300, Eyal Levin a écrit :
> > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Christian Robottom Reis
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 12:52:31PM +0300, Eyal Levin
> wrote:
> > > Well, the problem is that we (Hebrew Translators)
> have
> > Hebrew strings in the
> > > terminal, but we have decided that the contents of
> the
> > terminal should
> > > remain in English since Hebrew does not display
> well there.
> >
> >
> > Why doesn't it display well there? Isn't that more a
> bug of
> > the terminal
> > and/or font than in the translations?
> >
> > We have some BiDi problems, but as you said this is a bug
> and can be
> > fixed. (Working fine though in mlterm [1] ).
> >
> > We decided to stay with English because there is no Hebrew
> > documentation regarding the terminal, hence users who will
> try to look
> > for help in forums, Google, etc, won't find anything.
> > We also got some input from users who said that Hebrew in
> the terminal
> > is the main reason why they don't use the Hebrew locale as a
> whole.
> >
> 
> This choice should be left to users. Those who prefer English
> messages
> in Terminal can always set this by inserting the following in
> their .bashrc file: "export LANG=en_US" or "export LANG=C"
> 
> We discussed that also and came to the conclusion that this is an
> action that new users will probably not take or won't be aware of, and
> as a result turn to the English locale.

Agreed, but new users should probably not be the most terminal-intensive
users either.
> 
> Perhaps if you know a way we could set the Terminal default language
> to English in the Hebrew locale (with a new Ubuntu installation), this
> would probably be a better solution. Then, if someone would like
> Hebrew in the Terminal he could do the switch.

I can't say anything about default parameters, but you can always
promote recipes on Hebrew Wikis/Forums/FAQs. 
> 
> It was also stated that currently we have more appealing applications
> to tunnel our translation energy towards. 
> 
Of course, GUI applications should have the priority for translations,
but in the long term, I think all languages deserve having even command
line messages in their language/script.
Those who need a particular message in English may try to re-launch the
process with something like "$ LANG=C mycommand"

Take this as my humble opinion, nothing more :-) 
> 
Claude




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Re: Templates in Terminal

[Eyal Levin]

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Claude Paroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Le samedi 31 mai 2008 à 20:48 +0300, Eyal Levin a écrit :
> > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Christian Robottom Reis
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 12:52:31PM +0300, Eyal Levin wrote:
> > > Well, the problem is that we (Hebrew Translators) have
> > Hebrew strings in the
> > > terminal, but we have decided that the contents of the
> > terminal should
> > > remain in English since Hebrew does not display well there.
> >
> >
> > Why doesn't it display well there? Isn't that more a bug of
> > the terminal
> > and/or font than in the translations?
> >
> > We have some BiDi problems, but as you said this is a bug and can be
> > fixed. (Working fine though in mlterm [1] ).
> >
> > We decided to stay with English because there is no Hebrew
> > documentation regarding the terminal, hence users who will try to look
> > for help in forums, Google, etc, won't find anything.
> > We also got some input from users who said that Hebrew in the terminal
> > is the main reason why they don't use the Hebrew locale as a whole.
> >
> This choice should be left to users. Those who prefer English messages
> in Terminal can always set this by inserting the following in
> their .bashrc file: "export LANG=en_US" or "export LANG=C"


We discussed that also and came to the conclusion that this is an action
that new users will probably not take or won't be aware of, and as a result
turn to the English locale.

Perhaps if you know a way we could set the Terminal default language to
English in the Hebrew locale (with a new Ubuntu installation), this would
probably be a better solution. Then, if someone would like Hebrew in the
Terminal he could do the switch.

It was also stated that currently we have more appealing applications to
tunnel our translation energy towards.

Eyal


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> Remember, GNU/Linux is about choice :-)
>
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Re: Templates in Terminal

[Claude Paroz]

Le samedi 31 mai 2008 à 20:48 +0300, Eyal Levin a écrit :
> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Christian Robottom Reis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 12:52:31PM +0300, Eyal Levin wrote:
> > Well, the problem is that we (Hebrew Translators) have
> Hebrew strings in the
> > terminal, but we have decided that the contents of the
> terminal should
> > remain in English since Hebrew does not display well there.
> 
> 
> Why doesn't it display well there? Isn't that more a bug of
> the terminal
> and/or font than in the translations?
> 
> We have some BiDi problems, but as you said this is a bug and can be
> fixed. (Working fine though in mlterm [1] ).
> 
> We decided to stay with English because there is no Hebrew
> documentation regarding the terminal, hence users who will try to look
> for help in forums, Google, etc, won't find anything.
> We also got some input from users who said that Hebrew in the terminal
> is the main reason why they don't use the Hebrew locale as a whole.
> 
This choice should be left to users. Those who prefer English messages
in Terminal can always set this by inserting the following in
their .bashrc file: "export LANG=en_US" or "export LANG=C"

Remember, GNU/Linux is about choice :-)

Claude

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Re: Templates in Terminal

[Eyal Levin]

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Christian Robottom Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 12:52:31PM +0300, Eyal Levin wrote:
> > Well, the problem is that we (Hebrew Translators) have Hebrew strings in
> the
> > terminal, but we have decided that the contents of the terminal should
> > remain in English since Hebrew does not display well there.
>
> Why doesn't it display well there? Isn't that more a bug of the terminal
> and/or font than in the translations?


We have some BiDi problems, but as you said this is a bug and can be fixed.
(Working fine though in mlterm [1] ).

We decided to stay with English because there is no Hebrew documentation
regarding the terminal, hence users who will try to look for help in forums,
Google, etc, won't find anything.
We also got some input from users who said that Hebrew in the terminal is
the main reason why they don't use the Hebrew locale as a whole.

[1] http://mlterm.sourceforge.net

Eyal

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Re: Templates in Terminal

[Christian Robottom Reis]

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 12:52:31PM +0300, Eyal Levin wrote:
> Well, the problem is that we (Hebrew Translators) have Hebrew strings in the
> terminal, but we have decided that the contents of the terminal should
> remain in English since Hebrew does not display well there.

Why doesn't it display well there? Isn't that more a bug of the terminal
and/or font than in the translations?
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Re: Templates in Terminal

[Milo Casagrande]

Il giorno sab, 31/05/2008 alle 12.52 +0300, Eyal Levin ha scritto:
> Well, the problem is that we (Hebrew Translators) have Hebrew strings
> in the terminal, but we have decided that the contents of the terminal
> should remain in English since Hebrew does not display well there.
> 
> Now, I would like to find all templates that are shown in terminal so
> I can make sure that they are all in English.
> 
> So, is there some kind of list of templates that their content is
> shown in terminal? or perhaps some easy way I can find all this
> templates, or if someone could list them here if they are not too
> many.

You have to think that almost every program in the system has something
that appears in the terminal (even a GTK program has a small
terminal-based menu).

I think you should start with the only terminal one first, like make,
gcc, nano, gnupg and the like...

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Re: Templates in Terminal

[Eyal Levin]

Well, the problem is that we (Hebrew Translators) have Hebrew strings in the
terminal, but we have decided that the contents of the terminal should
remain in English since Hebrew does not display well there.

Now, I would like to find all templates that are shown in terminal so I can
make sure that they are all in English.

So, is there some kind of list of templates that their content is shown in
terminal? or perhaps some easy way I can find all this templates, or if
someone could list them here if they are not too many.


On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Milo Casagrande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Il giorno sab, 31/05/2008 alle 00.42 +0300, Eyal Levin ha scritto:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > How can I tell which templates in Rosetta are shown in the Terminal?
> > (like coreutils)
>
> Usually it depends on the package you're referring to, like you said
> coreutils, or even make, gcc...
>
> If I got you wrong, please let me know. :)
>
> Bye!
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Re: Templates in Terminal

[Milo Casagrande]

Il giorno sab, 31/05/2008 alle 00.42 +0300, Eyal Levin ha scritto:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> How can I tell which templates in Rosetta are shown in the Terminal?
> (like coreutils)

Usually it depends on the package you're referring to, like you said
coreutils, or even make, gcc...

If I got you wrong, please let me know. :)

Bye!

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Templates in Terminal

[Eyal Levin]

Hello everyone,

How can I tell which templates in Rosetta are shown in the Terminal? (like
coreutils)

Thanks,

Eyal
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