Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problems installing Ubuntu server on an old computer
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 01:19:51PM +0100, David Morley wrote: > Also if you wish to partition the Hard Drive the you will need 2 > things Smart Boot Manager and Gparted live cd available here > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843&package_id=173828 > Not really. Gparted is on the Ubuntu Live CD. So you can do the partitioning with that first then start the installer. Although I notice now with the Edgy installer gparted is more integrated with the install process. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Intro, newcomer
Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Welcome to the list alan, Thanks I realise just now that my recent presence on the gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british is mirrored anyway. >> I have just joined the list and hope to be helping at LinuxWorld. I am >> a recent user of Kubuntu, having started linux three years ago with >> suse. I really appreciate the Ubuntu approach and the energetic and >> friendly efforts to spread the distro. > > What prompted the switch from SUSE to Ubuntu? I demo a number of distros, and was originally inhibited by the ubuntu version(s) 5.10 text based installer, although otherwise I was attracted by the good community feel of the ubuntu family of products. When 6.06 appeared with a more gui installer, then I began looking more seriously. Suse 9.3 through 10.0 is a very comfortable distro, and has good internet based (and retail pack) support, and I like/d the corporate feel anyway, with its implication of longevity. Along with the Ubuntu community positiveness and energy, there is a good drive to spread Ubuntu. Suse promised a 'lizard blizard' and has made some moves, but the 5 CDs and the novell licence, although not being an inhibitor for small scale installs, make it harder to attract a mass 'spreading' activity, except via more corporate channels. Ubuntu etc is free by policy. A single CD is very convenient - and a live CD gives two birds with one stone, and there is windows FOSS things on it also. The shipit facility and the CD pack is attractive, the pack design gives a 'retail' feel to things - competing in the realm which 'customers' actually understand. All these aspects are strategic bullseyes. Oh, and of course, the distro is a good well balanced one. The updates facility is very competent, while the suse 10.1 updates facility is getting pretty slow and unattractive, I get an impression of lack of focus there. > I started out on that > (for a brief 5-10minutes before the install died), then Redhat. While > Ubuntu is far from perfect it certainly doesn't reduce me to despair > as often as the alternatives! I'm including Windows in that too btw. I don't count windows. There seem to be a fair % of people (experienced users) trying to escape it as I did. Suse is still a comfortable distro to use, and I find pclinuxos very appealing, although it has not yet gained enough following for support of newcomers to linux I think, that can take a lot of attention in support forums. >> I run (mostly single handed) the Infopoint table at the Bracknell >> Computer fairs monthly if I am available. The table has rapidly become >> a defacto Ubuntu Kubuntu distribution point, other distros are not so >> attractive to newcomers - who are the main attenders. > > What success do you have handing out CDs Around 10 or 15 per day to people who approach and come to discuss maybe more sometimes. >and do what sort of feedback > do you get? It's always good to hear people are having success > introducing people to OSS The initial measure is in what they choose - a retail looking pack is far more attractive than a home made copy with no colour pack. (btw even colour packs containing home made checked iso burns would be attractive...). For my part I am glad to reccommend Kubuntu to a windows escapee because of the basic distro and not least the community and its obvious promise for the future. It took me personally a couple of years to start a linux try seriously, and a couple after that to feel at all confident. Unless there is a close local group to hold peoples hands, it could take some time. I have had few return to discuss it yet, once per month is not close enough contact to get a feel in a few months, I would like a local venue to offer a local install fest and club, but -another story. > - in many ways the individual stuff is where > the biggest impact can be had. I am convinced that is a basic truth, unless linux is pre installed by dell etc for popular use. I had first hand experience of the then windows 3.1 being chosen in preference to OS/2 by team leader end users in direct contravention to a main IT policy in the company. I had the discomfort to chair the decision, and was visited by our company heavy gang but the users still won. OS/2 was a better more stable os and we used it for control systems. The reason for OS/2 unpopularity was simply that all the end users had windows at home! > Do you get into much post-introduction support? Not yet locally but I have a small yahoogroup set up awaiting any very local users who are not yet confident to contact a full LUG (which can be a bit daunting). Almost all the computer fair Infopoint activity so far has been with people who have never really installed linux (yet) but are encouraged to be actually *seeing* it. I note that these have decided to investigate a changeed OS first, then come and talk. Many others are yet uninterested, or have not yet noticed. -- alan c -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listin
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problems installing Ubuntu server on an old computer
On 28/09/06, David Morley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 28/09/06, South Walney Information Management <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A client has an old PC, which was running Windows 98 which had become > > tired and she lacks the original Windows 98 didks as she bought the > > machine second hand. Somewhere along the line she managed to format the > > hard disk so that Win 98 will no longer boot. > > > > I have suggested that this machine is a prime candidate for XUbuntu. > > Unfortunately, when I tried to install XUbuntu from the CD, I discovered > > that the BIOS wasn't able to recognise the CD in order to boot from it. > > > > I made a Linux rescue floppy and was then able to read the XUbuntu CD > > but not boot from it. What I could do was make a floppy from sbm.bin, > > which would then allow me to boot from the CD-ROM. > > > > It was then quickly evident that memory was low because the nascent > > XUbunto could not access swap space on the hard disk. It tried gamely, > > running through keyboard selection and hardware detection, but > > eventually turned up its little feet with the message > > > > <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt > > > > What I think I need to do is to get a rescue floppy or CD which will > > enable me to format and repartition the hard disk. Although I may be wrong. > > > > Does anybody have any suggestions? > > > What is the spec of the machine? > > Also have you tried the alternative install rather than the live > install or is that what you are doing? > Also if you wish to partition the Hard Drive the you will need 2 things Smart Boot Manager and Gparted live cd available here http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843&package_id=173828 -- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Intro, newcomer
Welcome to the list alan, > I have just joined the list and hope to be helping at LinuxWorld. I am > a recent user of Kubuntu, having started linux three years ago with > suse. I really appreciate the Ubuntu approach and the energetic and > friendly efforts to spread the distro. What prompted the switch from SUSE to Ubuntu? I started out on that (for a brief 5-10minutes before the install died), then Redhat. While Ubuntu is far from perfect it certainly doesn't reduce me to despair as often as the alternatives! I'm including Windows in that too btw. > I run (mostly single handed) the Infopoint table at the Bracknell > Computer fairs monthly if I am available. The table has rapidly become > a defacto Ubuntu Kubuntu distribution point, other distros are not so > attractive to newcomers - who are the main attenders. What success do you have handing out CDs and do what sort of feedback do you get? It's always good to hear people are having success introducing people to OSS- in many ways the individual stuff is where the biggest impact can be had. Do you get into much post-introduction support? Anyway, lots of questions. Good to have you on the list. Martin Fitz -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problems installing Ubuntu server on an old computer
Caroline Ford wrote: > Have you tried > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows I think that might be a solution in the long term. Right now my client wants her pooter back! The problem seems to be that once the CD has booted it can no longer see itself. (it's a pretty ancient CD-ROM drive) Anyway, I have managed to put W*nd*ws XP on it and it works, so my client can at least use that until I think of something else. Thanks to everybody who offered suggestions. Rosie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problems installing Ubuntu server on an old computer
On 28/09/06, South Walney Information Management <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A client has an old PC, which was running Windows 98 which had become > tired and she lacks the original Windows 98 didks as she bought the > machine second hand. Somewhere along the line she managed to format the > hard disk so that Win 98 will no longer boot. > > I have suggested that this machine is a prime candidate for XUbuntu. > Unfortunately, when I tried to install XUbuntu from the CD, I discovered > that the BIOS wasn't able to recognise the CD in order to boot from it. > > I made a Linux rescue floppy and was then able to read the XUbuntu CD > but not boot from it. What I could do was make a floppy from sbm.bin, > which would then allow me to boot from the CD-ROM. > > It was then quickly evident that memory was low because the nascent > XUbunto could not access swap space on the hard disk. It tried gamely, > running through keyboard selection and hardware detection, but > eventually turned up its little feet with the message > > <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt > > What I think I need to do is to get a rescue floppy or CD which will > enable me to format and repartition the hard disk. Although I may be wrong. > > Does anybody have any suggestions? > > Rosie Hi Rosie, In every issue of Linux Format, they have a program called SmartBootManager that you can write to a floppy. You boot the floppy then choose the CD drive and it will continue booting from there. I hope the sbm.bin isn't this program and you can try it instead. I've used it many times when I've been too lazy to change the BIOS to avoid the first HDD on this PC. HTH Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LinuxWorld Planning .ORG requirements.
Nik, On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 09:03 +0100, nik wrote: > Just a reminder from Brian Teeman who is the point of contact for the > .ORG village for us. > > -- > Promoting the Expo > Can I remind you all that part of the deal in participating in the .Org > Village is that you promote the Expo within your community. This can be > in the form of a newsletter, emailshot, web site news item, web site > banner. It specificaly does not look good when you have an event > calendar on your site and you do NOT list that you will be at the expo. > -- > > So can you all please let me know if and when you promote this to your > Lugs. Are we getting the stand at LinuxWorldExpo for free (as in beer!)? I'm currently having an argument with the guy who runs the MANLUG WEB site whose policy is only to advertise goods and services that are free! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Guardian
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 15:37 +0100, Adam McMaster wrote: > On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 15:30 +0100, David Andrew wrote: > > Nice plug for ubuntu in the cartoon - Guardian p33 today > > > This is online for those who are interested: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/0,,337484,00.html > And more importantly, read the end of this (linked from the previous page): http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/0,,337484,00.html -- Adam McMaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Guardian
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 15:30 +0100, David Andrew wrote: > Nice plug for ubuntu in the cartoon - Guardian p33 today > This is online for those who are interested: http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/0,,337484,00.html -- Adam McMaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Guardian
Nice plug for ubuntu in the cartoon - Guardian p33 today-- David AndrewMALTHE Course Leader & Blackboard Vista Implementation ProjectCAPD London Metropolitan University www.londonmet.ac.uk/capd/www.critical-learning.co.uk/tiki020 7133 404607986709981 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problems installing Ubuntu server on an old computer
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 13:07 +0100, South Walney Information Management wrote: > A client has an old PC, which was running Windows 98 which had become > tired and she lacks the original Windows 98 didks as she bought the > machine second hand. Somewhere along the line she managed to format the > hard disk so that Win 98 will no longer boot. > > I have suggested that this machine is a prime candidate for XUbuntu. > Unfortunately, when I tried to install XUbuntu from the CD, I discovered > that the BIOS wasn't able to recognise the CD in order to boot from it. > > I made a Linux rescue floppy and was then able to read the XUbuntu CD > but not boot from it. What I could do was make a floppy from sbm.bin, > which would then allow me to boot from the CD-ROM. > > It was then quickly evident that memory was low because the nascent > XUbunto could not access swap space on the hard disk. It tried gamely, > running through keyboard selection and hardware detection, but > eventually turned up its little feet with the message > > <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt > > What I think I need to do is to get a rescue floppy or CD which will > enable me to format and repartition the hard disk. Although I may be wrong. > > Does anybody have any suggestions? > > Rosie Have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows I've just got an ancient laptop and am having similar issues. I get: isolinux: Cannot boot from this CD. Please use CD2 or try a BIOS update. I'm using the alternative install CD of Xubuntu as my 80MB machine isn't beefy enough for the live CD.. I'm going to try the instructions on the wiki as it boots to a dos prompt. Caroline -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problems installing Ubuntu server on an old computer
On 28/09/06, South Walney Information Management <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A client has an old PC, which was running Windows 98 which had become > tired and she lacks the original Windows 98 didks as she bought the > machine second hand. Somewhere along the line she managed to format the > hard disk so that Win 98 will no longer boot. > > I have suggested that this machine is a prime candidate for XUbuntu. > Unfortunately, when I tried to install XUbuntu from the CD, I discovered > that the BIOS wasn't able to recognise the CD in order to boot from it. > > I made a Linux rescue floppy and was then able to read the XUbuntu CD > but not boot from it. What I could do was make a floppy from sbm.bin, > which would then allow me to boot from the CD-ROM. > > It was then quickly evident that memory was low because the nascent > XUbunto could not access swap space on the hard disk. It tried gamely, > running through keyboard selection and hardware detection, but > eventually turned up its little feet with the message > > <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt > > What I think I need to do is to get a rescue floppy or CD which will > enable me to format and repartition the hard disk. Although I may be wrong. > > Does anybody have any suggestions? > What is the spec of the machine? Also have you tried the alternative install rather than the live install or is that what you are doing? --- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Problems installing Ubuntu server on an old computer
A client has an old PC, which was running Windows 98 which had become tired and she lacks the original Windows 98 didks as she bought the machine second hand. Somewhere along the line she managed to format the hard disk so that Win 98 will no longer boot. I have suggested that this machine is a prime candidate for XUbuntu. Unfortunately, when I tried to install XUbuntu from the CD, I discovered that the BIOS wasn't able to recognise the CD in order to boot from it. I made a Linux rescue floppy and was then able to read the XUbuntu CD but not boot from it. What I could do was make a floppy from sbm.bin, which would then allow me to boot from the CD-ROM. It was then quickly evident that memory was low because the nascent XUbunto could not access swap space on the hard disk. It tried gamely, running through keyboard selection and hardware detection, but eventually turned up its little feet with the message <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt What I think I need to do is to get a rescue floppy or CD which will enable me to format and repartition the hard disk. Although I may be wrong. Does anybody have any suggestions? Rosie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Conference Pack.
Nik, Can you chuck them on http://imageshack.us/ ? Gary On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 08:44 +0100, nik wrote: > It has arrived. If I can work out a sensible way to upload these images > ( I guess I should start a flickr account ) then I can show you what we > have. > > > NIk > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LinuxWorld Planning .ORG requirements.
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:03:11AM +0100, nik wrote: > Just a reminder from Brian Teeman who is the point of contact for the > .ORG village for us. > > -- > Promoting the Expo > Can I remind you all that part of the deal in participating in the .Org > Village is that you promote the Expo within your community. This can be > in the form of a newsletter, emailshot, web site news item, web site > banner. It specificaly does not look good when you have an event > calendar on your site and you do NOT list that you will be at the expo. > -- > > So can you all please let me know if and when you promote this to your > Lugs. > Added to http://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpcomingEvents Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Here we go again...
You guys may wanna check out a live cd of edgy atm... I think this is the same thing.If you go to system>admin>software sources, and click on the "Internet Updates" tab, then you get a few checkboxes of options... including whether or not to use "Proposed updates" Pricey -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] LinuxWorld Planning .ORG requirements.
Just a reminder from Brian Teeman who is the point of contact for the .ORG village for us. -- Promoting the Expo Can I remind you all that part of the deal in participating in the .Org Village is that you promote the Expo within your community. This can be in the form of a newsletter, emailshot, web site news item, web site banner. It specificaly does not look good when you have an event calendar on your site and you do NOT list that you will be at the expo. -- So can you all please let me know if and when you promote this to your Lugs. Also since we having the first UKTeam meet at the show I guess it would be nice to know if people comming to the show and the stand did so because they heard about it through the LUGS. Thanks again Nik -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Conference Pack.
It has arrived. If I can work out a sensible way to upload these images ( I guess I should start a flickr account ) then I can show you what we have. NIk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
