Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrades? updates?

[alan c]

Terence Simpson wrote:
> Robin Menneer wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 4/19/07, *Terence Simpson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Robin Menneer wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/19/07, *Nik Butler* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>> > >>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2007-April/000102.html
>> > I imagine it will be duplicated across the lists but for
>> those on
>> > this
>> > list not following the Announce list you may want to know its
>> > currently
>> > "officially" released and you should be able to grab images,
>> update
>> > installations and generally update your Ubuntu urges right now.
>> >
>> > Nik
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Wouldn't it be better for us thickies to wait until we are
>> offered
>> > an automatic update in the usual way ?
>> > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
>> 
>> > >
>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>> 
>> > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
>> >
>> >
>> You should be receiving the notice of a new version now.
>> (tho you may want to change to some other mirrors as the ubuntu
>> servers
>> are being slapped about atm)
>>
>> Tez
>>
>>
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>>
>> Why should I want to change to 'some other mirrors' ?   Wot's atm ?   
>> My Ubuntu seems to be working alright although having some minor 
>> problems with OOo Draw.  I presume that unless I have good reason not 
>> to, I just wait for automatic update, and follow the instructions as 
>> usual ?
> atm = at the moment
> the main ubuntu mirrors are under a lot of strain with all the people 
> upgrading/downloading feisty, so another mirror may let you upgrade.
> And, like I said, the "automatic upgrade" is already out.

Is automatic update and upgrade both the same thing? I would usually 
change from one version to the next by manual install - if I used the 
automatic method would it be called 'upgrade'? In kubuntu adept 
package manager I see a menu item 'Full Upgrade' is this intended for 
going to the next version?

For the package security or bugs updates - are these only called 
'updates'?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fiesty Fawn Formally Freed for Future fetching !

[Andrew Williams]

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Sean Miller wrote:
> I have tried upgrading but I get an error about lack of space in some 
> temporary directory on /var
> 
> When I go to that directory and do a "df ." I am told I have approx. 1GB 
> free, yet the error refers to 340MB or something similar.
> 
> What's going on?
> 
> Sean
> 

I had the same issue, seems like the upgrade is smart and discounts any
space it'll need for packages, so while you have 1gb free, it'll
probably use 500ish for packages. My solution was to download the alt cd
and upgrade from that.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fiesty Fawn Formally Freed for Future fetching !

[Leon Barker]

On 20/04/07, Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have tried upgrading but I get an error about lack of space in some
> temporary directory on /var
>
> When I go to that directory and do a "df ." I am told I have approx. 1GB
> free, yet the error refers to 340MB or something similar.
>
> What's going on?

Do you mind posting the output of "df -h"?

Leon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] New member saying hi.

[David Morley]

Pleased to meet you Pete.

Ubuntu is not that awkward to use, if your used to something as
complex as Gentoo.
However some of the nuances can be more confusing for linux users than
newcomers.
Once you get over these minor differences you find that there is
nothing like it.

Ubuntu Rocks, Feisty Rocks Harder.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] New member saying hi.

[Chris Rowson]

> > Hi people,

Welcome Pete,

Nice to meet you !!

Chris

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fiesty Fawn Formally Freed for Future fetching !

[Sean Miller]

I have tried upgrading but I get an error about lack of space in some 
temporary directory on /var

When I go to that directory and do a "df ." I am told I have approx. 1GB 
free, yet the error refers to 340MB or something similar.

What's going on?

Sean

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] New member saying hi.

[Mark Harrison]

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Subject: [ubuntu-uk] New member saying hi.

> Hi people,

[...]

> Pete
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Pete,

Welcome.

You'll find Ubuntu WAY different from Gentoo :-)

Regards,

Mark




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[ubuntu-uk] New member saying hi.

[Peter Lewis]

Hi people,

I just thought I'd say hi to y'all.

I'm a long-time Linux user (mainly Gentoo and SUSE), based in Birmingham (and 
invovled in the LUG there), but new to *buntu... I'm a big KDE fan, so got 
Kubuntu Feisy (last RC, at least) running quite happily and I have to say 
that I'm impressed. Well, it's a bit different from Gentoo, at least ;-)

Nice work folks.

Cheers,

Pete.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fiesty Fawn Formally Freed for Future fetching !

[Paul Tansom]

** Dean Sas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 10:25]:
> Paul Tansom wrote:
> > ** baz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 02:06]:
> Generally a release candidate gets generated and tested for a few days 
> before it's actually decided it's good enough and is promoted as 'feisty 
> final'. Ideally the release candidate and the actual release should be 
> identical.

Exactly. It seems likely that I goot a little lost in all the noise in
the release thread and the delay hit a few days ago, not on the 19th -
which was the way I read it. It did seem a little rash to spot a bug and
release the final version complete with fix on the same day! I shall
chalk it up as another reason I don't like forums ;)

> > Yes, I'd expect the actual iso files, etc. to be ready a day or so
> > before release to give time to get everything in place. My main
> > confusion was that I'd read on the Ubuntu forum somewhere that there was
> > a last minute bug found and everyone was waiting for it to be fixed (I
> > have in mind a kernel bug related to ATA cards or something, 
> 
> That's right, it delayed the release candidate by a few days, well that 
> and a wireless bug.

I think I covered this above :)

> > Anyway, I have the iso, so little lost in giving it a go tomorrow. It'll
> > be a clean install next to an existing Windows XP install (I have the
> > alternate CD). With any luck I'll have a usable Ubuntu system this time,
> > although the particular machine hasn't had too much luck with the live
> > CD so far - painfully slow even with 512M RAM on a 1.2GHz (real speed)
> > Athlon; I have an extra 256M in there now, but lack the right size DIMMs
> > to go any higher :(
> 
> My 1.3ghz p3, 512mb laptop runs fine when it's actually installed, 
> haven't tried the live cd, (I used the alternate) but I can imagine it 
> being slow.

Yes, this machine does seem a little on the nasty side. It isn't that
new, and has an Athlon from before they days when everything moved to
the supposed equivalent clock rate rather than the actual one - at least
an actual clock speed was an accurate piece of information, even if it
was totally useless for comparing performace, lies, damn lies and
statistics ;)

I haven't tried Linux on it since I upgraded the RAM to 768M, but when
it was at 512M I tried loading Ubuntu (6.06) on it and if I hadn't been
sidetracked into something else I'd have given up and put it down to a
crash or something. As it was it took around 20 minutes to load to a
working machine (and find out that Frozen Bubble isn't on there by
default so my son couldn't play it!).

That said, Windows XP runs on it like a dog too. I generally walk away
and leave it for about 5 minutes after logging on so it can get itself
sorted out and ready to use. The most annoying thing is the wireless
card which can take serveral manual attempts to get connected to the
network (it's a USR one, and I think USR have had their day in terms of
hardware quality - they made nice analogue modems in the early days but
haven't managed to move on since then).

I've run diagnostics on every part of the machine I can though, and not
one shows up a hardware fault. All the drivers are at their latest
versions too. I often wonder whether it is down to the extra software
required to keep the machine secure, but even that shouldn't have this
much impact on it - it isn't as if I daft enough to use Norton on it!

My PII-700 laptop with 512M runs Win2k nicely (well, as nicely as you
can run Windows), and is quite happy with Ubuntu (6.10) bar the lack of
any wireless network connectivity. It will be intersting to see how 7.04
goes onto the Athlon machine. I'm half tempted to give Xubuntu a try -
it had a nice bit of coverage in the Guardian yesterday (Linux for
Grannies!), and I do use XFCE myself in preference to Gnome or KDE
anyway.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fiesty Fawn Formally Freed for Future fetching !

[Dean Sas]

Paul Tansom wrote:
> ** baz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 02:06]:
>> On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 01:31 +0100, Leon Barker wrote:
>>> I installed Feisty 4 days ago and have not received any updates
>>> therefore the final version must have been released about 5 days ago.
>>>
>> Agreed, it looks like while there was an, 'official' launch, Fiesty has
>> been complete for around a week or so. I upgraded about five or so days
>> ago and not had any 'main' updates since.

Generally a release candidate gets generated and tested for a few days 
before it's actually decided it's good enough and is promoted as 'feisty 
final'. Ideally the release candidate and the actual release should be 
identical.

> Yes, I'd expect the actual iso files, etc. to be ready a day or so
> before release to give time to get everything in place. My main
> confusion was that I'd read on the Ubuntu forum somewhere that there was
> a last minute bug found and everyone was waiting for it to be fixed (I
> have in mind a kernel bug related to ATA cards or something, 

That's right, it delayed the release candidate by a few days, well that 
and a wireless bug.

> Anyway, I have the iso, so little lost in giving it a go tomorrow. It'll
> be a clean install next to an existing Windows XP install (I have the
> alternate CD). With any luck I'll have a usable Ubuntu system this time,
> although the particular machine hasn't had too much luck with the live
> CD so far - painfully slow even with 512M RAM on a 1.2GHz (real speed)
> Athlon; I have an extra 256M in there now, but lack the right size DIMMs
> to go any higher :(

My 1.3ghz p3, 512mb laptop runs fine when it's actually installed, 
haven't tried the live cd, (I used the alternate) but I can imagine it 
being slow.

Dean

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fiesty Fawn Formally Freed for Future fetching !

[Dean Sas]

Paul Tansom wrote:
> ** baz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 02:06]:
>> On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 01:31 +0100, Leon Barker wrote:
>>> I installed Feisty 4 days ago and have not received any updates
>>> therefore the final version must have been released about 5 days ago.
>>>
>> Agreed, it looks like while there was an, 'official' launch, Fiesty has
>> been complete for around a week or so. I upgraded about five or so days
>> ago and not had any 'main' updates since.

Generally a release candidate gets generated and tested for a few days 
before it's actually decided it's good enough and is promoted as 'feisty 
final'. Ideally the release candidate and the actual release should be 
identical.

> Yes, I'd expect the actual iso files, etc. to be ready a day or so
> before release to give time to get everything in place. My main
> confusion was that I'd read on the Ubuntu forum somewhere that there was
> a last minute bug found and everyone was waiting for it to be fixed (I
> have in mind a kernel bug related to ATA cards or something, 

That's right, it delayed the release candidate by a few days, well that 
and a wireless bug.

> Anyway, I have the iso, so little lost in giving it a go tomorrow. It'll
> be a clean install next to an existing Windows XP install (I have the
> alternate CD). With any luck I'll have a usable Ubuntu system this time,
> although the particular machine hasn't had too much luck with the live
> CD so far - painfully slow even with 512M RAM on a 1.2GHz (real speed)
> Athlon; I have an extra 256M in there now, but lack the right size DIMMs
> to go any higher :(

My 1.3ghz p3, 512mb laptop runs fine when it's actually installed, 
haven't tried the live cd, (I used the alternate) but I can imagine it 
being slow.

Dean

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