Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
Ello all It could be like a 3 step leaflet: Download, Burn, Install. Put another page full of 'myth-busters' (ie no it wont wreck your windows install, you wont lose data if you partition right, etc. Couple of screenshots and performance comparisons, quick explanation of the FOSS movement and bang :) you have a leaflet. Maybe you could bundle a CD with it. My 2 pennies Regards, On 13/06/07, Darren Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to linux. I have just built my first system and decided to give > linux a go. I installed the latest version of ubuntu and was really > impressed; I already prefer it to windows. Your idea sounds really good and > if people become more aware of what it is really about more people will > switch. > > Darren. > > On 12/06/07, James Tait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've been a bit quiet of late, but I have been lurking. One of the > > topics that caught my eye on the UK list was Popey's suggestion about > > leaflets [0]. There was a lot of discussion on the topic, then it just > > seemed to fizzle out. I'd like to resurrect the topic. > > > > I'm batting about some ideas at the moment for raising awareness of the > > Ubuntu name, so "normal" people (you know, Linux for Human Beings and > > all that?) can start to absorb it into their subconscious and eventually > > start to ask "So what is this Ubuntu thing anyway?" I've put a couple > > of the stickers I got with my ShipIt CDs at eye level in the local park, > > for example. > > > > (There's also a graffiti wall there that I think would look great with > > the Ubuntu logo splashed all over it, but I'm not sure that sends out > > the right message!) > > > > I intend to put a couple of post cards in the local supermarkets as well > > with specific messages targeting different audiences -- students, those > > people who copied Windows from a mate, those whose machines always seem > > to be virus-ridden, and so on. > > > > I think it would be a good idea to involved the Marketing Team on this > > (I'm not sure what the current status is with the DIY Marketing effort) > > to get their input and possibly re-use some of their existing work. > > > > Having asked a few people to ask me about Ubuntu, I got the following > > questions to add to the (already pretty long) list already raised in the > > thread: > > > > > What does the word Ubuntu mean? > > > What support would I get if I needed help? > > > Does it have a GUI similar to Windows or do I need to learn code? > > > How secure is it? > > > Is Linux a passing fad? > > > > Cheers, > > > > JT > > > > [0] > http://www.nabble.com/forum/ViewPost.jtp?post=10284127&framed=y > > -- > > > ---+ > > James Tait, BSc| > xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Programmer and Free Software advocate | VoIP: +44 (0)870 490 2407 > > > ---+ > > > > -- > > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > +44(0)7739 785 249 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wireless Cracking was setting up bt home hub in ubuntu
>> >> > > There was a recent Security Now podcast that explains this topic quite > well. It think it has been linked to before on this list, but here you > go anyway. http://media.grc.com/sn/SN-089.mp3 > > Happy listening, > > Steve > > What you have to remember is not to trust any security on your network. But, you can over do it. All of the 'hackers' I know won't sit outside your house trying to crack your WEP to get your eBay password etc. One of the simplest things you can do to keep people off your bandwidth is switch your router off when you're not going to use it. Saves electricity too. Baz. -- http://walkertopia.com/blog === -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Interview with Mark Shuttleworth in the Economist
Hi, Thought you might be interested in this: an interview with Mark Shuttleworth in this week's (9th-15th July, sorry I'm a bit late to bring this up!) Economist, which features the Technology Quarterly. You might be able to see it here: http://www.economist.com/printedition/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9249327 if you watch an advert, I think, or of course buy it, but it is £3.60 (and going out of date in 2 days time)! Or, I could provide a quick synopsis once I've read it properly if you'd all prefer? -- Josh Blacker -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
Hi, I am new to linux. I have just built my first system and decided to give linux a go. I installed the latest version of ubuntu and was really impressed; I already prefer it to windows. Your idea sounds really good and if people become more aware of what it is really about more people will switch. Darren. On 12/06/07, James Tait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I've been a bit quiet of late, but I have been lurking. One of the topics that caught my eye on the UK list was Popey's suggestion about leaflets [0]. There was a lot of discussion on the topic, then it just seemed to fizzle out. I'd like to resurrect the topic. I'm batting about some ideas at the moment for raising awareness of the Ubuntu name, so "normal" people (you know, Linux for Human Beings and all that?) can start to absorb it into their subconscious and eventually start to ask "So what is this Ubuntu thing anyway?" I've put a couple of the stickers I got with my ShipIt CDs at eye level in the local park, for example. (There's also a graffiti wall there that I think would look great with the Ubuntu logo splashed all over it, but I'm not sure that sends out the right message!) I intend to put a couple of post cards in the local supermarkets as well with specific messages targeting different audiences -- students, those people who copied Windows from a mate, those whose machines always seem to be virus-ridden, and so on. I think it would be a good idea to involved the Marketing Team on this (I'm not sure what the current status is with the DIY Marketing effort) to get their input and possibly re-use some of their existing work. Having asked a few people to ask me about Ubuntu, I got the following questions to add to the (already pretty long) list already raised in the thread: > What does the word Ubuntu mean? > What support would I get if I needed help? > Does it have a GUI similar to Windows or do I need to learn code? > How secure is it? > Is Linux a passing fad? Cheers, JT [0] http://www.nabble.com/forum/ViewPost.jtp?post=10284127&framed=y -- ---+ James Tait, BSc|xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer and Free Software advocate | VoIP: +44 (0)870 490 2407 ---+ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wireless Cracking was setting up bt home hub in ubuntu
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 20:09 +0100, Dave Walker wrote: > On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 19:50 +0100, Ian Pascoe wrote: > > Hi Folks > > > > Some clarity on these times to break please! > > > > Is this done by snooping the traffic that is going between the computer and > > router or by bombarding the router with various keys until it responds? > > > > Anyone know for sure? I know a couple of guys who work on computer > > crypotography and they quote figures like a million transfered packets to > > get the key reliably and they know cos they've done it. > > > > E > > > > Ian, > > I am concerned where this thread could lead, but i feel that a high > level explanation is appropriate. Obviously attempting this on a > network that is not your own is illegal. I attempted this on a network > i own a few years ago, and was shocked that i could gain access within > an hour. Tools have probably improved somewhat since i tried it. > > The way that WEP is cracked falls into two categories. There is a > passive attack that purely listens and logs packets sent between access > point and authorised user; the other method is active that sends > malformed packets to the access point that increases the amount of > 'interesting' packets returned to the cracker. > > These 'interesting' packets revel certain information that allow a tool > to work out what the WEP key is. > > The more 'interesting' packets you have gathered the faster the cracking > can be achieved, with a million; it would take seconds - but the > gathering takes a little longer. > > WEP is largely outdated, and most people who use security tend to use > the more secure WPA Protocol > > Kind Regards, > Dave Walker > > There was a recent Security Now podcast that explains this topic quite well. It think it has been linked to before on this list, but here you go anyway. http://media.grc.com/sn/SN-089.mp3 Happy listening, Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] RSS Feed Scraper
On 13/06/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 19:40 +0100, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know of a command-line based Feed Scraper I could hack to > > download podcasts from the RSS feeds? I'm working on a script that > > downloads the latest episodes, works out when I walk through the door which > > files are currently on my phone and then does a file sync via bluetooth > > overnight so that I have the latest files on my phone the next day. > > Bashpodder is the canonical command line based podcaster downloader > thing. > Hi Matthew, If you can do a bit of programming, something other than bash scripts, both Ruby and Python have libraries that can read/process RSS. If you're interested and can't find the names of the libraries, let me know and I'll try to find them. Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 2 questions
On 11/06/07, John Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How can I ensure my .bash_profile file is "sourced" on every login? When > I was using KDE before, I changed /usr/bin/startkde so it started a > login shell. Hi John, Andy answered your other question, maybe I can help with this. You could try a slightly different solution, by putting the code you want in .bashrc instead - .bash_profile is only read by login shells, .bashrc is read by every shell. Otherwise if you're using gnome-terminal, on the 'Title and Command' tab of the Profile settings, there's a box to tick to make it start a login shell. HTH Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] RSS Feed Scraper
Hi Matthew, On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 19:40 +0100, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know of a command-line based Feed Scraper I could hack to > download podcasts from the RSS feeds? I'm working on a script that downloads > the latest episodes, works out when I walk through the door which files are > currently on my phone and then does a file sync via bluetooth overnight so > that I have the latest files on my phone the next day. Bashpodder is the canonical command line based podcaster downloader thing. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wireless Cracking was setting up bt home hub in ubuntu
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:50:49 +0100, "Ian Pascoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Folks > > Some clarity on these times to break please! > > Is this done by snooping the traffic that is going between the computer > and > router or by bombarding the router with various keys until it responds? > > Anyone know for sure? I know a couple of guys who work on computer > crypotography and they quote figures like a million transfered packets to > get the key reliably and they know cos they've done it. > > E IIRC, this was from sniffing packets then doing a local bruteforce on the sniffed data. the ever-reliable (??!!!) register has this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/15/wep_crack_interview/ which states: "When WEP was compromised in 2001, the attack needed more than five million packets to succeed. During the summer of 2004, a hacker named KoreK published a new WEP attack (called chopper) that reduced by an order of magnitude the number of packets requested, letting people crack keys with hundreds of thousands of packets, instead of millions. Last month, three researchers, Erik Tews, Andrei Pychkine and Ralf-Philipp Weinmann developed a faster attack (based on a cryptanalysis of RC4 by Andreas Klein), that works with ARP packets and just needs 85,000 packets to crack the key with a 95 per cent probablity. This means getting the key in less than two minutes." Cheers, Matt. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace Lug-Master (http://www.thanet.lug.org.uk), Dad (http://www.helpmeimadad.com/), Ubuntu User( http://www.ubuntu.com/) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wireless Cracking was setting up bt home hub in ubuntu
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 19:50 +0100, Ian Pascoe wrote: > Hi Folks > > Some clarity on these times to break please! > > Is this done by snooping the traffic that is going between the computer and > router or by bombarding the router with various keys until it responds? > > Anyone know for sure? I know a couple of guys who work on computer > crypotography and they quote figures like a million transfered packets to > get the key reliably and they know cos they've done it. > > E > Ian, I am concerned where this thread could lead, but i feel that a high level explanation is appropriate. Obviously attempting this on a network that is not your own is illegal. I attempted this on a network i own a few years ago, and was shocked that i could gain access within an hour. Tools have probably improved somewhat since i tried it. The way that WEP is cracked falls into two categories. There is a passive attack that purely listens and logs packets sent between access point and authorised user; the other method is active that sends malformed packets to the access point that increases the amount of 'interesting' packets returned to the cracker. These 'interesting' packets revel certain information that allow a tool to work out what the WEP key is. The more 'interesting' packets you have gathered the faster the cracking can be achieved, with a million; it would take seconds - but the gathering takes a little longer. WEP is largely outdated, and most people who use security tend to use the more secure WPA Protocol Kind Regards, Dave Walker -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
Wasn't someone somewhere meant to be designing a mock up for viewing? E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Tait Sent: 12 June 2007 15:41 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets Andy wrote: > On 12/06/07, James Tait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Having asked a few people to ask me about Ubuntu, I got the following >> questions to add to the (already pretty long) list already raised in the >> thread: > > I shall attempt to answer some of them ;) Perhaps I should have included the responses I sent, all of which should be corrected where necessary and may be used freely in such a leaflet, if and when it comes into being. >> > What does the word Ubuntu mean? > >>From the FAQ (http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq) > Ubuntu is an African word, which has been described as "too beautiful > to translate into English". The essence of Ubuntu is that "a person is > a person through other people". It describes humanity as > "being-with-others" and prescribes what "being-with-others" should be > all about. Ubuntu emphasises sharing, consensus, and togetherness. > It's a perfect concept for Free Software and open source. Here's a > great article that describes Ubuntu, which may help define it. > Wikipedia also has a good definition. It is an ancient African word which has no direct English translation, but roughly means "Humanity to others", or "I am who I am because of who we all are". It engenders the qualities of community and togetherness which make the project possible. >> > What support would I get if I needed help? > > You can get commercial support (which you have to pay for) or free > support from the community. If you bought your PC with Linux > pre-installed your vendor may be able to help you. > > We have extensive online documentation. > We have a malling list to ask questions on (you email your question > and it gets sent to a huge number of people who will try to help) > We have an IRC chat channel (like a big chatroom) > We have a forum > We also have a "support ticket" style system. > > The chances are somebody will know how to fix your problem. Lots! Starting on the desktop, there is a built-in help browser that gives you access to help on every aspect of the Ubuntu desktop in several languages. Then there is the official Ubuntu documentation site (https://help.ubuntu.com/) which contains some more in-depth information. Then there is the Ubuntu Community, which as an Ubuntu user you would already be a part of. The Ubuntu Community range from the users to developers, packagers and other contributors, including volunteers and commercial organisations. Ubuntu has Local Community (LoCo) teams which all have an IRC channel for real-time discussion as well as mailing lists. They also help to maintain the Ubuntu Forums (http://www.ubuntuforums.org) where you can often find other people who have experienced, and solved, your problem and the Ubuntu Users' mailing list (http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users). There is also Launchpad (https://launchpad.net/) where you can ask questions, and report and trace bugs. If an application on your Ubuntu desktop crashes, a crash report will normally be submitted to Launchpad so that the developers can see what went wrong and fix it. Finally there is commercial support -- people and companies who can help you with your Ubuntu-related problems for a price. The Ubuntu Marketplace (http://www.ubuntu.com/support/commercial/marketplace) is a good source of information for these companies. >> > Does it have a GUI similar to Windows or do I need to learn code? > > Depends on what you mean by "similar". It has a point and click > graphical interface. > > It does have a very powerful command line interface but it's there for > the people who want to use it, you won't really need to use it if you > don't want to. > > You don't need to be able to "code" or "program". The Ubuntu desktop is very similar to the Windows one. It has the now-standard WIMP (Windows, Icons, Mouse and Pointer) interface and the vast majority of what you will need to do is possible using this interface. Many of the free applications available for Ubuntu (e.g. OpenOffice, Mozilla Firefox, Mozilla Thunderbird, GIMP) are also available for Windows, so you can try them out even without trying Ubuntu! There are some, usually more in-depth, tasks for which the command line is required, as is the case with Windows. The command line is a very powerful tool and is not to be feared! >> > How secure is it? > > It has a better security model than Windows. Fine grained access > control and limiting what users can do "by mistake" make it more > difficult for a virus to take over your entire system. > > Also the software update system adds some more protection as it will > update all the core software together. You won't need to check for > updates in all your programs one by one anymore. I
[ubuntu-uk] Wireless Cracking was setting up bt home hub in ubuntu
Hi Folks Some clarity on these times to break please! Is this done by snooping the traffic that is going between the computer and router or by bombarding the router with various keys until it responds? Anyone know for sure? I know a couple of guys who work on computer crypotography and they quote figures like a million transfered packets to get the key reliably and they know cos they've done it. E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ged byrom Sent: 12 June 2007 23:26 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] setting up bt home hub in ubuntu LeeUKHA wrote: > >> On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 19:11 +0100, ged wrote: >> >> >>> Just a polite enquiry about the "WEP" key wrote on the back of these BT >>> wireless routers. >>> Is it really wep ? >>> >>> >> The _default_ is. >> >> If you visit http://bthomehub.home/ once setup you can change it to WPA. >> > As Alan said the default is WEP, but it does WPA just fine :) > > As to the 2091 it's fine my mate runs one. By default its locked to BT, > so if you leave BT its junk. > However, it's been, err, fixed. A quick Google will reveal the new > firmware... > > Thanks for the replies. The 2091 I got on ebay was already unlocked. Thanks again Ged. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] RSS Feed Scraper
Hi all, Does anyone know of a command-line based Feed Scraper I could hack to download podcasts from the RSS feeds? I'm working on a script that downloads the latest episodes, works out when I walk through the door which files are currently on my phone and then does a file sync via bluetooth overnight so that I have the latest files on my phone the next day. I've got to the point where I need to scrape the RSS for MP3s (sony-ericsson phone I'm afraid, MP3 or nothing...) but I can't find any comand-line based tools to scrape the content. I've considered hacking something together using awk, grep and wget but that feels kinda clumsy. Answers on a postcard to the usual address... Cheers, Matt. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace Lug-Master (http://www.thanet.lug.org.uk), Dad (http://www.helpmeimadad.com/), Ubuntu User( http://www.ubuntu.com/) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Eyecandy in Ubuntu Feisty Vs. Vista Aero
I really dont get the deal with all the fancy effects. Yeah they are awesome from time-to-time (like showing off to mates) but I find them so irritating a lot more of the time. I just couldnt wrap my mind around windows vista when running the beta, the interface just made things 90X harder for me. It also slowed the machine down to hell. With ubuntu the xgl stuff is a lot spiffier and quicker, but still I get annoyed with it all. The features I did like were displaying thumbnails of all the open windows and easy placing of stuff in the cube, but there were so many bugs running xgl anyway I had to take it off. (things like openGL apps that ran on top of xgl were going crazy, multiple desktop support is a bit off, sessions etc etc) Until a lot of the HCI stuff is sorted out with it I will stick to how it is now :) If they can figure out a way to make it like minority report I will DEFINITELY switch. For now I see it as more of a glossing up of the desktop instead of anything particularly useful. The idea of rendering the desktop in openGL is a fantastic idea though, i'm not putting anyone down for that - just get that bit working first before adding raindrops and snow. Regards, On 08/06/07, Skeg Fast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hear ya! > > I've converted a lot of people to Linux just from them sitting and > watching me use Kubuntu with Beryl on a 4 year old desktop. > > "Yeah, my desktop struggles with Vista too"... > (Spins cube). > "No, this isn't Vista" > (Spins cube some more+transparent stuff). > "Yeah, from 2004, Athlon XP" > (Hits keys to show off some of the more unusable Beryl effects) > "No, it's completely free. Even the snow effect is included" > > > Works like a charm :D (Tho after packing them off with a Kubuntu CD I > warn them that if they're using a USB ADSL modem (as I do on my home > server) then I'll probably have to visit :() No need to explain the > other benefits of using Linux - the spinny cube thing does it every time :) > > My XP partition is nothing more than a glorified games console for > FlightSim now. And the only time I ever need a second monitor is for > some of the more complicated overhead panels in FS (And yes, I've tried > FlightGear but it's just not the same class :() > > > > > Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > > Well, I just found desktop effects... > > > > What an awesome, awesome demo for Linux. My laptop is an old HP (Circa > > 2002) with 512Mb RAM, a P3 1.5 Intel mobile and an onboard ATI ProSavage > > DDR3 and it runs Beryl with all the desktop effects including the > > task-switcher, window effects and desktop cube _without slowing down_!!! > > > > This is awesome. The XP/Vista upgrade tool (yes, I dual boot XP, I know, I > > know...) basically told me that this laptop was useless and should be > > upgraded in just about every way for Aero to work. > > > > As a community, I really think that we should be trying to get the fact > > that you can make your PC look pretty without paying in as many PC > > magazines as possible. So many reviews I've read of Vista have been "this > > is stable, yes it's expensive, BUT LOOK AT THE GRAPHICS". > > > > Anyway, just thought I'd let you know how happy I am about Beryl... > > > > M. > > -- > > Matthew Macdonald-Wallace > > Lug-Master (http://www.thanet.lug.org.uk), > > Dad (http://www.helpmeimadad.com/), > > Ubuntu User( http://www.ubuntu.com/) > > > > > > > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > +44(0)7739 785 249 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Multi Platform Development
Yeah I would recommend sharp-develop. Used it many times, good replacement. check it out here http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/ Regards On 31/05/07, Dean Sas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ian Pascoe wrote: > > Hi Folks > > > > Since leaving school many moons ago, where I originally learnt Basic, I have > > since moved onto Visual Basic and most recently .NET - all self taught. As > > the MONO project appears to be concentrating on C style programming, I was > > wondering if anyone had a recommendation for a VB IDE that can be used on > > both Linux and MS that won't be too dis-similar in feel in the way that it > > works on either OS.. > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by 'C style programming' but monodevelop is a > VB IDE with a GUI designer. I think it's available for Windows too, but > you can also use #Develop which I think monodevelop was forked from. > > Dean > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGXrNweedO8dcp9nYRAiY0AJ0Rxz8zHTQkWFc4EbDLLXXfPQvOogCgmwbM > QTbwL0XIVI99bs8NQ4huBhw= > =emlQ > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > +44(0)7739 785 249 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
