Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
2007/9/27, Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 27/09/2007, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris, On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 18:23 +0100, Kris Douglas wrote: On 27/09/2007, Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kris Douglas wrote: No windows in the European union? No it's just a very misguided suggestion that no PC should ship with an OS pre-installed. It just means more pain for users and no gain for anyone else. Cheers, -- Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canonical.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Agreed, but if you were in a situation where you needed a system that could connect to a domain and run an application that was associated with keeping customers money safe, would you spend ages installing an operating system, or would you go get a machine that had something installed and functioning correctly? This argument works for any operating system! If I had a Linux application doing a similar thing, I would want to buy client machines that had Linux pre-installed and just worked. But this is a circular argument. One reason companies go for Microsoft based applications is that they can buy pre-installed clients that just work. It's much harder to do for Linux. Somehow, the circle needs to be broken! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Good point, if pcworld stocked Linux systems... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I got one word to say: Dell... They are offering 3 models with Ubuntu by default... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing
Why don't you use the diffrent advantages of the diffrent editors? Like mix them... Is it speciall fileformats for the diffrent editors? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] creation of a dual boot desktop from scratch
You should certanly let the computer use Ubuntu only... all the good things are for Ubuntu, Firefox, GIMP, UrT... :P My teacher don't allow me to write more.. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing
Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 08:26 +0200, Sakjur wrote: Why don't you use the diffrent advantages of the diffrent editors? Like mix them... Is it speciall fileformats for the diffrent editors? Imagine using 3 different word processors to produce a document. One because it lets you do bold, one because it does tables and another because it saves in the right format. You would have to keep switching between the applications. It would be incredibly inefficient and frustrating. I would love to see just one decent video editor on Linux. There are loads on Windows and Mac :( Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
Chris Jones wrote: Hi Kris Douglas wrote: No windows in the European union? No it's just a very misguided suggestion that no PC should ship with an OS pre-installed. It just means more pain for users and no gain for anyone else. Cheers, Chris, I'm with you on this. It is hard to see where other EU Directives of a similar nature (for example, the legislation around servicing for motor vehicles by non-franchised dealers) has ACTUALLY led to an improvement for customers. I also have trouble with the economics of No Windows licence means much cheaper PC. The big vendors pay little for their Windows licences - and in some cases make MORE from the CrippleWare fees they charge than they actually have to pay out for the O/S licence - so a fair cost solution would actually make Windows+Crippleware CHEAPER than Linux. Dell are, of course, to be applauded for what they've done. Both in REDUCING the price of a non-Windows PC and providing such an option in the first place. Of course, what I'd REALLY like to see is machines installed dual-booting between Ubuntu and a 30-day trial version of Windows at the end of which, the user either paid an extra £xxx or went with Ubuntu. Regards, Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing
2007/9/28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ubuntu-uk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Pope Sent: 28 September 2007 07:35 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 08:26 +0200, Sakjur wrote: Why don't you use the diffrent advantages of the diffrent editors? Like mix them... Is it speciall fileformats for the diffrent editors? Imagine using 3 different word processors to produce a document. One because it lets you do bold, one because it does tables and another because it saves in the right format. You would have to keep switching between the applications. It would be incredibly inefficient and frustrating. I would love to see just one decent video editor on Linux. There are loads on Windows and Mac :( Cheers, Al. Ohh... yeah... maybe it's a bit hard to use three diffrent... anyway you should use one for the effects and one for the editing.. there's a lot of pro's doing that... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Launchpad Poll for LoCo contact
On 9/27/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could whoever is looking after the poll, please delete the incorrect poll as it may well confuse some users and effect the vote. Cheers Chris I hope their wont be any dimpled chads ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_(paper)) with this election. :-) Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
On 28/09/2007, Sakjur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/28, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Chris Jones wrote: Hi Kris Douglas wrote: No windows in the European union? No it's just a very misguided suggestion that no PC should ship with an OS pre-installed. It just means more pain for users and no gain for anyone else. Cheers, Chris, I'm with you on this. It is hard to see where other EU Directives of a similar nature (for example, the legislation around servicing for motor vehicles by non-franchised dealers) has ACTUALLY led to an improvement for customers. I also have trouble with the economics of No Windows licence means much cheaper PC. The big vendors pay little for their Windows licences - and in some cases make MORE from the CrippleWare fees they charge than they actually have to pay out for the O/S licence - so a fair cost solution would actually make Windows+Crippleware CHEAPER than Linux. Dell are, of course, to be applauded for what they've done. Both in REDUCING the price of a non-Windows PC and providing such an option in the first place. Of course, what I'd REALLY like to see is machines installed dual-booting between Ubuntu and a 30-day trial version of Windows at the end of which, the user either paid an extra £xxx or went with Ubuntu. Regards, Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ That would be awsome! And that that you had to try both... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ You're right... But... I don't see a Dell shop 100metres away from the head office of my company... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
2007/9/28, Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 28/09/2007, Sakjur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/28, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Chris Jones wrote: Hi Kris Douglas wrote: No windows in the European union? No it's just a very misguided suggestion that no PC should ship with an OS pre-installed. It just means more pain for users and no gain for anyone else. Cheers, Chris, I'm with you on this. It is hard to see where other EU Directives of a similar nature (for example, the legislation around servicing for motor vehicles by non-franchised dealers) has ACTUALLY led to an improvement for customers. I also have trouble with the economics of No Windows licence means much cheaper PC. The big vendors pay little for their Windows licences - and in some cases make MORE from the CrippleWare fees they charge than they actually have to pay out for the O/S licence - so a fair cost solution would actually make Windows+Crippleware CHEAPER than Linux. Dell are, of course, to be applauded for what they've done. Both in REDUCING the price of a non-Windows PC and providing such an option in the first place. Of course, what I'd REALLY like to see is machines installed dual-booting between Ubuntu and a 30-day trial version of Windows at the end of which, the user either paid an extra £xxx or went with Ubuntu. Regards, Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ That would be awsome! And that that you had to try both... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ You're right... But... I don't see a Dell shop 100metres away from the head office of my company... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ There's no Dell shops, you buy them online... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing
Alan Pope wrote: Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 08:26 +0200, Sakjur wrote: Why don't you use the diffrent advantages of the diffrent editors? Like mix them... Is it speciall fileformats for the diffrent editors? Imagine using 3 different word processors to produce a document. One because it lets you do bold, one because it does tables and another because it saves in the right format. You would have to keep switching between the applications. It would be incredibly inefficient and frustrating. I would love to see just one decent video editor on Linux. There are loads on Windows and Mac :( I agree with you up to a point... However, I don't know that the Windows world of video editing is so much better... At the moment my (work-related) video editing / DVD mastering is done in the Windows world... and I've worked out that I actually use _4_ different applications to make the average DVD. - Adobe Audition for the audio tracks - Adobe Premier for the Video editing itself - MS Paint (kid you not) for rendering simply JPGs for use as titles :-) - Adobe Encore for generating DVD menu structures - Oh, and theoretically I use Adobe Media encoder to do the rendering, but it's so well integrated with Premier these days I don't think of it as a separate application as such, just a popup options box within Premier. At the moment, I see good free / OSS alternatives to Audition and MS Paint... but stick with what's there because I know them well, can drive them very, very, quickly, and there's still one area (fourier noise reduction) where the proprietary software has an edge technically. Regards, Mark Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
On 28/09/2007, Sakjur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/28, Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 28/09/2007, Sakjur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/28, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Chris Jones wrote: Hi Kris Douglas wrote: No windows in the European union? No it's just a very misguided suggestion that no PC should ship with an OS pre-installed. It just means more pain for users and no gain for anyone else. Cheers, Chris, I'm with you on this. It is hard to see where other EU Directives of a similar nature (for example, the legislation around servicing for motor vehicles by non-franchised dealers) has ACTUALLY led to an improvement for customers. I also have trouble with the economics of No Windows licence means much cheaper PC. The big vendors pay little for their Windows licences - and in some cases make MORE from the CrippleWare fees they charge than they actually have to pay out for the O/S licence - so a fair cost solution would actually make Windows+Crippleware CHEAPER than Linux. Dell are, of course, to be applauded for what they've done. Both in REDUCING the price of a non-Windows PC and providing such an option in the first place. Of course, what I'd REALLY like to see is machines installed dual-booting between Ubuntu and a 30-day trial version of Windows at the end of which, the user either paid an extra £xxx or went with Ubuntu. Regards, Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ That would be awsome! And that that you had to try both... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ You're right... But... I don't see a Dell shop 100metres away from the head office of my company... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ There's no Dell shops, you buy them online... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I know, but if you read up...i was saying that i can walk to pcworld and buy a machine, with windows on it...and then walk to the office, plug it in, and tell the user to log on. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
2007/9/28, Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 28/09/2007, Sakjur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/28, Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 28/09/2007, Sakjur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/28, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Chris Jones wrote: Hi Kris Douglas wrote: No windows in the European union? No it's just a very misguided suggestion that no PC should ship with an OS pre-installed. It just means more pain for users and no gain for anyone else. Cheers, Chris, I'm with you on this. It is hard to see where other EU Directives of a similar nature (for example, the legislation around servicing for motor vehicles by non-franchised dealers) has ACTUALLY led to an improvement for customers. I also have trouble with the economics of No Windows licence means much cheaper PC. The big vendors pay little for their Windows licences - and in some cases make MORE from the CrippleWare fees they charge than they actually have to pay out for the O/S licence - so a fair cost solution would actually make Windows+Crippleware CHEAPER than Linux. Dell are, of course, to be applauded for what they've done. Both in REDUCING the price of a non-Windows PC and providing such an option in the first place. Of course, what I'd REALLY like to see is machines installed dual-booting between Ubuntu and a 30-day trial version of Windows at the end of which, the user either paid an extra £xxx or went with Ubuntu. Regards, Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ That would be awsome! And that that you had to try both... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ You're right... But... I don't see a Dell shop 100metres away from the head office of my company... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ There's no Dell shops, you buy them online... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I know, but if you read up...i was saying that i can walk to pcworld and buy a machine, with windows on it...and then walk to the office, plug it in, and tell the user to log on. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ My ignorance, sorry! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
2007/9/28, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Chris Jones wrote: Hi Kris Douglas wrote: No windows in the European union? No it's just a very misguided suggestion that no PC should ship with an OS pre-installed. It just means more pain for users and no gain for anyone else. Cheers, Chris, I'm with you on this. It is hard to see where other EU Directives of a similar nature (for example, the legislation around servicing for motor vehicles by non-franchised dealers) has ACTUALLY led to an improvement for customers. I also have trouble with the economics of No Windows licence means much cheaper PC. The big vendors pay little for their Windows licences - and in some cases make MORE from the CrippleWare fees they charge than they actually have to pay out for the O/S licence - so a fair cost solution would actually make Windows+Crippleware CHEAPER than Linux. Dell are, of course, to be applauded for what they've done. Both in REDUCING the price of a non-Windows PC and providing such an option in the first place. Of course, what I'd REALLY like to see is machines installed dual-booting between Ubuntu and a 30-day trial version of Windows at the end of which, the user either paid an extra £xxx or went with Ubuntu. Regards, Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ That would be awsome! And that that you had to try both... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ubuntu-uk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Pope Sent: 28 September 2007 07:35 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 08:26 +0200, Sakjur wrote: Why don't you use the diffrent advantages of the diffrent editors? Like mix them... Is it speciall fileformats for the diffrent editors? Imagine using 3 different word processors to produce a document. One because it lets you do bold, one because it does tables and another because it saves in the right format. You would have to keep switching between the applications. It would be incredibly inefficient and frustrating. I would love to see just one decent video editor on Linux. There are loads on Windows and Mac :( Cheers, Al. This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk I think Pinnacle really need to turn their attention to Linux. All the gstreamer stuff with gnonlin means half their work is done for them. I think the effort required on their part for the development would be worth it by the amount of people willing to pay for a good video editor on Linux. Also now oems are preinstalling Linux they really need a nice editor. All the old prejudices about 'how can you develop for 2 toolkits' and 'which distro do I develop for' just isn't a problem any more. Make it monolithic like Google Earth / Picasa etc. or just open-source a small part of the front end so people can write their own front-ends. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Software verses Hardware raid (was RE:Anyone evertried kolab on feisty)
Alan Pope wrote: The conclusion they came up with was that for 99.9% of scenarios hardware 99.9% of scenarios that don't match what 99.9% of people here will see :) Indeed. I believe the original Mad Max film had a line that summed it up perfectly. Sadly, I can't find the original quote, so must have got a word or two wrong, but it was along the lines of: Speed's all a matter of how much you're prepared to pay. (OK, in this case, resilience also, but Alan's point it well made about either.) M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 19:27 +0200, Sakjur wrote: There's no Dell shops, you buy them online... You can buy them in shops too. :) Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 20:05 +0200, Sakjur wrote: 2007/9/28, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED]: SNIP There's no Dell shops, you buy them online... You can buy them in shops too. :) SNIP Cool! I didn't knew that... where? There is an unconfirmed rumour that they will open 'Apple' style shops on the highstreet* in the UK. As i understand it, you can currently by Dell machines 'off the shelf' in the US 'Walmart' (and some others) and one retailer in Asia. * http://linkpot.net/heartburn/ Kind Regards, Dave Walker signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Professionally printed leaflets
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 15:17 +0100, Rob Beard wrote: Hi folks, I have e-mailed a company in Bristol for a quote on leaflet printing (I found them on Google). Does anyone else remember a chap mentioning on IRC/list a few months ago that he owned a printing company, and was willing to do leaflets either cheap, free, or at cost (I can't remember which!) Did anything ever come of that? I'll have a look through some logs now... Freddie :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
