date:20071026

Quoting Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Looks like they've changed the options, we've got a No - Linux is my OS
  of choice now.*

 ** WARNING - lolcats/topic crossover ***

 BBC r belong to de Linux peoplz now


What you say?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video: Zombies in Plain English


- Philip Newborough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just a bit of Friday fun:
 
 http://www.commoncraft.com/zombies
 
 Enjoy :D

Is this SFW (audio)?

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[ubuntu-uk] Video: Zombies in Plain English

2007-10-26 Thread Philip Newborough

Just a bit of Friday fun:

http://www.commoncraft.com/zombies

Enjoy :D

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Interesting BBC Poll Choices

Quoting Philip Newborough [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 So maybe a combined effort is needed to push the Linux percentage up!?
 Have we all blogged about it? has it been dugg? Just an idea.


Has it been posted on /. yet?

Personally I think they got the poll wrong, I think it should have  
said something like...

Yes - Steve Jobs is God and I buy anything he tells me to
No - I've got an older pre-G4 867 PPC Mac
No - Linux is my OS of choice
No - I'm a Microsoft Fanboi/I haven't seen the penguin shaped light yet

I wonder what the older PPC Mac users will do.  I ended using my iMac  
G3 as an LTSP client.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Interesting BBC Poll Choices


- Philip Newborough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 26/10/2007, andylockran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Martyn wrote:
   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm
  
   Options:
  
   Will you be buying Leopard?
  Yes - I need new spots!
  No - Tiger for me!
  I'm a Windows user!
  
   Vote!
  
  
   --
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  
   The options have changed a bit now:
  
   Yes - I need new spots @18.26%
   No - I'm happy with Tiger   @ 5.61%
   No - Linux is my OS of choice   @ 11.62%
   No - I'm a Windows user   @ 64.49%
  
  
  I find it strange that the percentages seem to change so little
 after
  another 3000 votes.. I wouldn't have thought that there was such a
 clear
  relationship between the first 2000 voters on the site, and the
 next
  3000.  Expecially as the Windows  Mac users were given a head
 start.
  The linux figure popped up at ~11% when I first noticed it was added
 -
  and no figures have changed by more than 1% since (according to my
 very
  casual observation).
  Are the BBC fixing the figures to justify the iPlayer?
 
 So maybe a combined effort is needed to push the Linux percentage
 up!?
 Have we all blogged about it? has it been dugg? Just an idea.
 

Andy's already beaten you to it ;)

http://digg.com/linux_unix/BBC_put_up_poll_without_Linux_option_let_s_show_them

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Interesting BBC Poll Choices

2007-10-26 Thread Philip Newborough

On 26/10/2007, andylockran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Martyn wrote:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm
 
  Options:
 
  Will you be buying Leopard?
 Yes - I need new spots!
 No - Tiger for me!
 I'm a Windows user!
 
  Vote!
 
 
  --
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
  The options have changed a bit now:
 
  Yes - I need new spots @18.26%
  No - I'm happy with Tiger   @ 5.61%
  No - Linux is my OS of choice   @ 11.62%
  No - I'm a Windows user   @ 64.49%
 
 
 I find it strange that the percentages seem to change so little after
 another 3000 votes.. I wouldn't have thought that there was such a clear
 relationship between the first 2000 voters on the site, and the next
 3000.  Expecially as the Windows  Mac users were given a head start.
 The linux figure popped up at ~11% when I first noticed it was added -
 and no figures have changed by more than 1% since (according to my very
 casual observation).
 Are the BBC fixing the figures to justify the iPlayer?

So maybe a combined effort is needed to push the Linux percentage up!?
Have we all blogged about it? has it been dugg? Just an idea.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kittens in ubuntu pose

Dave Morley wrote:
 On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 15:37 +0100, Rob Beard wrote:
 Quoting Daniel Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 They were probably 6 weeks then, they are 20 weeks old now I think, one has
 died now though, was just looking through old phones and kind of saw a
 little resemblance, if anyone wants to play with it please do.

 Regards,
 Daniel

 Aww poor thing.  Did you keep the other two?

 The top one looks a lot like my kitten Guybrush*.

 Rob

 * Bonus points if you can work out where the name is from. :-)



 Monkey Island That's easy :)
 

Ahh it's easy if you've played it.  My kitten had to go to the vets at 
about 6 weeks old, the vet and the nurses wondered where the name had 
come from.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Interesting BBC Poll Choices

2007-10-26 Thread Peter Lewis

On Friday 26 October 2007 13:21, Chris Rowson wrote:
   Looks like they've changed the options, we've got a No - Linux is my
   OS of choice now.*

 ** WARNING - lolcats/topic crossover ***

 BBC r belong to de Linux peoplz now


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Interesting BBC Poll Choices

2007-10-26 Thread Daniel Lamb

Think their polls work on ip addresses?

Or think you could sit there and continually click linux?

Daniel

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirrus
Sent: 26 October 2007 15:03
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Interesting BBC Poll Choices


- Philip Newborough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 26/10/2007, andylockran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Martyn wrote:
   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm
  
   Options:
  
   Will you be buying Leopard?
  Yes - I need new spots!
  No - Tiger for me!
  I'm a Windows user!
  
   Vote!
  
  
   --
   Matthew G Larsen
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  
   The options have changed a bit now:
  
   Yes - I need new spots @18.26%
   No - I'm happy with Tiger   @ 5.61%
   No - Linux is my OS of choice   @ 11.62%
   No - I'm a Windows user   @ 64.49%
  
  
  I find it strange that the percentages seem to change so little
 after
  another 3000 votes.. I wouldn't have thought that there was such a
 clear
  relationship between the first 2000 voters on the site, and the
 next
  3000.  Expecially as the Windows  Mac users were given a head
 start.
  The linux figure popped up at ~11% when I first noticed it was added
 -
  and no figures have changed by more than 1% since (according to my
 very
  casual observation).
  Are the BBC fixing the figures to justify the iPlayer?
 
 So maybe a combined effort is needed to push the Linux percentage
 up!?
 Have we all blogged about it? has it been dugg? Just an idea.
 

Andy's already beaten you to it ;)

http://digg.com/linux_unix/BBC_put_up_poll_without_Linux_option_let_s_show_t
hem

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Interesting BBC Poll Choices

2007-10-26 Thread John Levin

Rob Beard wrote:
 
 
 Personally I think they got the poll wrong, I think it should have  
 said something like...
 
 Yes - Steve Jobs is God and I buy anything he tells me to
 No - I've got an older pre-G4 867 PPC Mac
 No - Linux is my OS of choice
 No - I'm a Microsoft Fanboi/I haven't seen the penguin shaped light yet
 
 I wonder what the older PPC Mac users will do.  I ended using my iMac  
 G3 as an LTSP client.
 
 Rob
 

I have a g3 iMac I use as a jukebox, running OS X 10.3. Been meaning to 
Ubuntize it, and get Amarok to perform the musical duties.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video: Zombies in Plain English

2007-10-26 Thread Freddie Ruddick


On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 14:08 +0100, Kirrus wrote:
 - Philip Newborough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Just a bit of Friday fun:
  
  http://www.commoncraft.com/zombies
  
  Enjoy :D
 
 Is this SFW (audio)?

Yes, SFW. It has audio, but no swearing or orgasmic moaning... :)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Interesting BBC Poll Choices

2007-10-26 Thread Alec Wright

On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 15:32 +0100, Daniel Lamb wrote:
 Think their polls work on ip addresses?
 
 Or think you could sit there and continually click linux?
 
 Daniel
You can vote more than once - I accidentally voted 3 times when i was
resfreshing the page to see how the results had changed


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video: Zombies in Plain English


- Philip Newborough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Is this SFW (audio)?
 
  Yes, SFW. It has audio, but no swearing or orgasmic moaning... :)
 
 
 LOL how dumb do I feel. Here was me thinking that SFW was some kind
 of
 new audio codec or something. Doh!
 
 My only excuse is that I don't have to worry about these issues :D

Don't worry about it... just feel lucky you don't ;)

I should have said it in full really, sorry!

(for those who haven't followed, SFW == Safe For Work)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] mono display in cshell konsole window etc..

2007-10-26 Thread Robert McWilliam

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:04:51 +0100
Julie Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  when I change shell from bash to csh konsole
  window text is just white on black, ie no colour text. 

ls doesn't use colour by default (so that you don't get weird looking
colour codes on terminals that don't understand them). There is some
logic in the bash start up files to decide if your terminal understands
colour and alias 'ls' to 'ls --color=always' if it does. This might not
be happening with csh. Do you get colour output if you run 'ls
--color=always'?

I'm not sure what would be wrong with the history navigation using the
up/down keys. The man page for csh says these should be set up
automatically. The output from 'bindkey' might shed some light: is up
bound to up-history? 


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] PC Freezing on updates with Gutsy

OK, so I have re-downloaded the iso - and the MD5sum checks out fine. I
reinstalled it OK and everything looked fine - UNTIL i enabled the
proprietry NVIDIA drivers for my 7200GS. I then got the same problems -
exactly. Once I disabled them again evertyhing worked perfectly. I even
tried using envy to install them ( www.ablertomilone.com) and the
problem returned. A friend has suggested it might be an Open GL
conflict somewhere along the lines, but I am at a loss on how to
proceed now.

Any help would be awesome :)

Colin.

Colin Wylie wrote:

Kirrus wrote:

- "Colin Wylie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

snip
to the PC - the installer froze up at about 82% on the configuring apt
snip
system freezing and locking up again. Finally (after a few google
searches) I found a list of repositories, and tried via apt-get -
whcih
worked. But as I don't know the names of all packages and
dependencies
I want - this aint too good :(

So - has anyone else encountered this - or does it sound like I may have
a hardware fault? It's driving me nuts. I really want to ditch Windows
for good, but only if it's gonna work!

It sounds like you *may* have a dodgy install cd... can you check the md5sums for your disc/*.iso file against what it should be?

There's a good how-to here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM

(What the sum should look like can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes)

Regards,

Kirrus

I'll give that a blast - but I did verify my CD from the boot menu -
and it said it was OK.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Interesting BBC Poll Choices - promoting the message?

2007-10-26 Thread Mark Harrison

A few thoughts here:

- The BBC aren't dumb. If people are constantly re-voting for the same 
option, they'll notice, and if Linux people are doing that more than the 
rest, they'll probably start looking askance at ANY figures that show 
Linux adoption.

- While it's not unknown for broadcasters to show fixed results, it 
seems unlikely in this case, and to a certain extent it's not about what 
the punters see, but what the internal BBC execs will see... so please 
vote if you haven't.

- I've posted a quick link to the poll on another Linux-related list 
that hasn't already mentioned it. If you are a member of your local Lug 
list (and if not, why not?) and they haven't started talking about it, 
feel free to spread the link :-)

M.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Interesting BBC Poll Choices

Alec Wright wrote:
 On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 15:32 +0100, Daniel Lamb wrote:
 Think their polls work on ip addresses?

 Or think you could sit there and continually click linux?

 Daniel
 You can vote more than once - I accidentally voted 3 times when i was
 resfreshing the page to see how the results had changed
 
 

Whoopsie, my F5 key got stuck ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Interesting BBC Poll Choices





Alec Wright wrote:

  On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 15:32 +0100, Daniel Lamb wrote:
  
  
Think their polls work on ip addresses?

Or think you could sit there and continually click linux?

Daniel

  
  You can vote more than once - I accidentally voted 3 times when i was
resfreshing the page to see how the results had changed


  

I gave it 5 refreshes for good measure ;)




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Downgrading Ubuntu

2007-10-26 Thread Tony Travis

Dave Walker wrote:
 [...]
 Downgrading Ubuntu is widely agreed that it's not a good idea.  However,
 if Gutsy's really not working out backup at least /etc /home; then
 if it isn't successful at least you can perform a fresh install of
 Feisty (my recommended first choice).

Hello, Dave.

Upsetting users by taking the systems down and re-installing them from 
scratch isn't a good idea either. I guess it depends on the situation 
you're in...

I forgot to mention to Ian about editing /etc/sources.list (of course).

Best wishes,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] PC Freezing on updates with Gutsy





Ah - I should have said that I had tried that - to no avail :(

Matthew Wild wrote:
On 10/26/07, Colin Wylie
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  
  
OK, so I have re-downloaded
the iso - and the MD5sum checks out fine. I
reinstalled it OK and everything looked fine - UNTIL i enabled the
proprietry NVIDIA drivers for my 7200GS. I then got the same problems -
exactly. Once I disabled them again evertyhing worked perfectly. I even
tried using envy to install them ( www.ablertomilone.com)
and the
problem returned. A friend has suggested it might be an Open GL
conflict somewhere along the lines, but I am at a loss on how to
proceed now.
  
  
Hmm, could you try disabling "wobbly windows"/Compiz?
  
System-Preferences-Appearance...
  
On the "Visual Effects" tab, select "None". If it doesn't make any
difference, log out, hit Ctrl + Alt + Backpace, and log back in again.
Just to make sure.
  
  
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] PC Freezing on updates with Gutsy

2007-10-26 Thread Matthew Wild

On 10/26/07, Colin Wylie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  OK, so I have re-downloaded the iso - and the MD5sum checks out fine. I
 reinstalled it OK and everything looked fine - UNTIL i enabled the
 proprietry NVIDIA drivers for my 7200GS. I then got the same problems -
 exactly. Once I disabled them again evertyhing worked perfectly. I even
 tried using envy to install them ( www.ablertomilone.com) and the problem
 returned. A friend has suggested it might be an Open GL conflict somewhere
 along the lines, but I am at a loss on how to proceed now.


Hmm, could you try disabling wobbly windows/Compiz?

System-Preferences-Appearance...

On the Visual Effects tab, select None. If it doesn't make any
difference, log out, hit Ctrl + Alt + Backpace, and log back in again. Just
to make sure.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Best ISP?

2007-10-26 Thread Tony Travis

Matthew Larsen wrote:
 [...]
 Well your a very lucky dog because BT is absolutely appauling with me,
 and has been since 2001. They are slow, expensive, force you to have a
 phone line, unreliable, traffic filter when they feel like and enforce
 their stupid rules on you (ie they always have to send mail to your BT
 account: Even if you NEVER use it because they spam you on it). They
 are not interested in getting off their backsides to help you as a
 user. Ever. They lie. They cheat. I hate them and unfortunatly the
 government will not do anything to sort them out. I believe they are
 crippling this country with their incompetence.
 
 Unfortunatly they own 99% of the phone lines so *nobody* has a choice.
 
 I am looking forward to WIMAX to get away from them.

Hello, Matthew.

Seems I'm very lucky too: No complaints about BT, and we have two lines 
into our house just for good measure ;-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] /home partition

2007-10-26 Thread Neil Greenwood

On 26/10/2007, Farran Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  cool, thanks. Looks like the best option. is there some kind of website
 where I can upload and privately store the necessary files instead of
 burning them to disc? I don't have a burner...
 I'm not going to risk upgrading, had too many problems in the past. I'll
 just wait until I've built my new pc [image: ;)]...


Don't know of any websites that will do it for free, but you could look at
rsync.net or Amazon's S3 (google finds it, I don't know a direct URL). I
haven't used either yet, but I'm considering doing so.

Maybe Google offers a free solution...

Hwyl,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] PC Freezing on updates with Gutsy

Hi,

Can you submit a new bug ticket on launchpad.net, and then post a bug number 
here :)



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Best ISP?

2007-10-26 Thread Ian Pascoe

Matt

Honestly, I don't think your utopia will happen anywhere outside of large
metropolises - with the advent of local loop unbundling and WLR 3.

It's now more cost effective as a Telco to get BT to install your line and
then badge it as your own as the infrastructure cost in getting service out
to your subsrivers is, well, phenomonal.  This is why BT as was has been
broken up into seperate trading units and n'er the twain shall meet without
undue punishment.

Of course, if you're lucky enough to live in a cabled area, you can jump
onto that bandwagon and enjoy those delights.

E

PS  This may be slightly biased as I'm employed by a BT subsidary.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tony Travis
Sent: 26 October 2007 18:33
To: British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Best ISP?


Matthew Larsen wrote:
 [...]
 Well your a very lucky dog because BT is absolutely appauling with me,
 and has been since 2001. They are slow, expensive, force you to have a
 phone line, unreliable, traffic filter when they feel like and enforce
 their stupid rules on you (ie they always have to send mail to your BT
 account: Even if you NEVER use it because they spam you on it). They
 are not interested in getting off their backsides to help you as a
 user. Ever. They lie. They cheat. I hate them and unfortunatly the
 government will not do anything to sort them out. I believe they are
 crippling this country with their incompetence.

 Unfortunatly they own 99% of the phone lines so *nobody* has a choice.

 I am looking forward to WIMAX to get away from them.

Hello, Matthew.

Seems I'm very lucky too: No complaints about BT, and we have two lines
into our house just for good measure ;-)

Tony.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Downgrading Ubuntu

2007-10-26 Thread Ian Pascoe

Tony / Dave

Thanks for the responses.  Doesn't look as though it's a Ubuntu problem, but
a Gnome one.

So I'm going to hang fire on the downgrade for a fortnight or so, and use
the work arounds  provided and see what happens.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tony Travis
Sent: 26 October 2007 18:38
To: British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Downgrading Ubuntu


Dave Walker wrote:
 [...]
 Downgrading Ubuntu is widely agreed that it's not a good idea.  However,
 if Gutsy's really not working out backup at least /etc /home; then
 if it isn't successful at least you can perform a fresh install of
 Feisty (my recommended first choice).

Hello, Dave.

Upsetting users by taking the systems down and re-installing them from
scratch isn't a good idea either. I guess it depends on the situation
you're in...

I forgot to mention to Ian about editing /etc/sources.list (of course).

Best wishes,

Tony.
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