Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a customised version of GIMP called Gimpshop which, I am told, brings the product much closer to the Photoshop look/feel... the website implies that in terms of the multiple windows vs. single windows debate that is resolved for only Windows users (deweirdify or something), so it might be worth Jai considering running Gimpshop under wine, perhaps? Eh? There is a Linux version too... DEB package: http://rapidshare.com/files/86270575/gimpshop_2.2.11-1_i386.deb SRC: http://rapidshare.com/files/86270572/gimp-2.2.8.tar.bz2 -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Setting PATH and other env variables
Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: BUT, the way that it works is that the settings are applied at the time of LOGIN, therefore if you simply open new Gnome sessions the script won't be run, as the new window will simply inherit the details at the time of login... That is what I would expect to happen. But something is not quite happening like this. I have added a line touch bash_profile_ran to the file. It is called when I su - username but not when I log into gnome. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/22/08, Paul Tansom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-02-20 23:08]: I disagree. The GIMP has a difficult user interface. Photoshop was extremely easy to learn to use where as I've never managed to get anywhere with GIMP. The way it is now whenever I need a photo edited or an image created/modified I ask a Windows/Photoshop user to do the task for me - that's definitely not the intended result. ** end quote [Jai Harrison] Personally I've always been quite happy with GIMP. When I first started using it there was a small culture shock from not having a menu bar across the top, but it took a matter of minutes to get used to that. I'm no power user though. I think Jai is being extremely harsh... there are positives and negatives about the way that GIMP presents itself, but on aggregate (for me at least) it makes very little difference... if anything, I'd say that having used it for several years now I probably prefer the GIMP presentation to that of, say, Photoshop as it empowers me to put each window/image/toolbox etc. where I want it rather than where the software says I must. The combination of price tag and an unwillingness to use pirated software mean I've never even seen Photoshop, and it doesn't even figure in my top 100 apps I'd like to see ported to Linux :) I've no idea how representative Elements is of the Photoshop UI (likely not at all), but I'm not a big fan of that from using it on my parents PC. There is a customised version of GIMP called Gimpshop which, I am told, brings the product much closer to the Photoshop look/feel... the website implies that in terms of the multiple windows vs. single windows debate that is resolved for only Windows users (deweirdify or something), so it might be worth Jai considering running Gimpshop under wine, perhaps? Perhaps I'm just atypical when it comes to software. So many people consider Dreamweaver the ultimate web development package, but from what little I've seen of it I'd actively avoid it, and I've not been enthusiastic about what little experience I've had of Contribute. I was trying to help somebody design a website on Wednesday, who was using Dreamweaver, and I must admit it brought back nightmares and reinforced my view that the best WYSIWYG for web development is a plain tried and tested text editor (vi, emacs or whatever) used in combinatin with a couple of open browsers... ;-) Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Talking about said image software above, its like a distro, everyone likes a different flavour... I like them both for doing different things, depends What, When, Where really... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
Eh? There is a Linux version too... I am aware of this, but the website says... GIMPshop modifies the menu structure to closely match Photoshop's, adjusts the program's terminology to match Adobe's, and, in the Windowshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windowsversion, uses a plugin called 'Deweirdifier' to combine the application's numerous windows in a similar manner to the MDIhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_document_interfacesystem used by most Windows graphics packages. http://gimpshop.com ...and, in the Windows version... appears to imply that the Linux version doesn't have the windows combined, which appeared to be on of Jai's main gripes with GIMP... I do not know for sure because I haven't ever installed the thing. Perhaps somebody who has will be able to clarify the situation. Sean ps. Jai's Windows-using friends ought to be targeted by the Ubuntu evangelists... think of all the time they'd have on their hands if they were no longer capable of doing all his photo/image manipulation for him, lol!! As good a reason to change OS as any, methinks... ;-) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eh? There is a Linux version too... I am aware of this, but the website says... GIMPshop modifies the menu structure to closely match Photoshop's, adjusts the program's terminology to match Adobe's, and, in the Windows version, uses a plugin called 'Deweirdifier' to combine the application's numerous windows in a similar manner to the MDI system used by most Windows graphics packages. http://gimpshop.com ...and, in the Windows version... appears to imply that the Linux version doesn't have the windows combined, which appeared to be on of Jai's main gripes with GIMP... I do not know for sure because I haven't ever installed the thing. Perhaps somebody who has will be able to clarify the situation. Sean ps. Jai's Windows-using friends ought to be targeted by the Ubuntu evangelists... think of all the time they'd have on their hands if they were no longer capable of doing all his photo/image manipulation for him, lol!! As good a reason to change OS as any, methinks... ;-) I see.. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Can I use a desktop PC as a network hub?
Right, Im setting up a p3 800mhz 256mb box as a firewall, file server, media player and to use for other stuff. Now I will have ModemPCold wireless router If I do this, I will have all network traffic coming at it through a single 10/100 connection. Instead of plugging all my wired computers into the router, can I shove some more NICs into the srever, and plug them into this, making it act as a hub as well. So Id have eth0 eth1 eth2 Will this work. Will I need patch or crossover cables. All help much appreciated. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Can I use a desktop PC as a network hub?
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:58 PM, James Grabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, Im setting up a p3 800mhz 256mb box as a firewall, file server, media player and to use for other stuff. Now I will have ModemPCold wireless router If I do this, I will have all network traffic coming at it through a single 10/100 connection. Instead of plugging all my wired computers into the router, can I shove some more NICs into the srever, and plug them into this, making it act as a hub as well. So Id have eth0 eth1 eth2 Will this work. Will I need patch or crossover cables. All help much appreciated. That would work well, we have a similar system that basically firewalls a router, with a web based interface that lets me change settings. If you have pci wireless cards you can use ubuntu as a wireless AP. Additionally, as you can firewall the interfaces on the machine you could also use it as a hub. By installing Samba you are able to share the files over the network. I couldn't personally tell you how to configure the interfaces for sharing the internet connection, or the firewall configuration, but it is possible. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Can I use a desktop PC as a network hub?
Kris Douglas wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:58 PM, James Grabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of plugging all my wired computers into the router, can I shove some more NICs into the srever, and plug them into this, making it act as a hub That would work well, we have a similar system that basically Er... yes, but not easily. Each NIC would need its own IP address; I'm not aware that you can assign the same IP address to multiple NICs without a great deal of hassle. It's relatively easy to share the modem across multiple NICs with different IP addresses, but the final devices would not be able to talk to other devices without setting up routing, which is reasonably advanced. For example: Modem - PC - Laptop1 - Laptop2 ...would prevent Laptop1 talking to Laptop2 unless you set up routing. Given that you can buy a brand new network switch for less than five pounds: http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=network+switchscoring=p ...this is an extremely complicated way of achieving a very simple result. Instead I recommend: Modem - PC - FiveQuidSwitch - Laptop1 - Laptop2 - Printer - etc. If by modem you mean Broadband modem with Cat5 rather than USB modem or pre-broadband modem, then you can achieve even better results with: Modem - FiveQuidSwitch - PC - Laptop1 - Laptop2 - Printer - etc. -- Andrew Oakley -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Can I use a desktop PC as a network hub?
On 2/22/08, James Grabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, Im setting up a p3 800mhz 256mb box as a firewall, file server, media player and to use for other stuff. Now I will have ModemPCold wireless router If I do this, I will have all network traffic coming at it through a single 10/100 connection. Instead of plugging all my wired computers into the router, can I shove some more NICs into the srever, and plug them into this, making it act as a hub as well. So Id have eth0 eth1 eth2 Will this work. As far as I know, there are two ways of achieving this. You can either configure each card on a separate subnet and set your box up to forward packets between them, or you can create a bridge device containing each ethX device you want to bridge, and they will be configured as one device. The latter is probably what you're after, I have done this before to bridge my VirtualBox VMs with the rest of my lan and it works quite well. Will I need patch or crossover cables. Whether to use a straight or crossed cable depends on the device you're using rather than the configuration. PC to PC, or hub to hub uplink demands a crossed cable, most other applications use straight cables (eg. PC to hub, hub to hub non-uplink). All help much appreciated. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Can I use a desktop PC as a network hub?
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Tom Bamford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/22/08, James Grabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, Im setting up a p3 800mhz 256mb box as a firewall, file server, media player and to use for other stuff. Now I will have ModemPCold wireless router If I do this, I will have all network traffic coming at it through a single 10/100 connection. Instead of plugging all my wired computers into the router, can I shove some more NICs into the srever, and plug them into this, making it act as a hub as well. So Id have eth0 eth1 eth2 Will this work. As far as I know, there are two ways of achieving this. You can either configure each card on a separate subnet and set your box up to forward packets between them, or you can create a bridge device containing each ethX device you want to bridge, and they will be configured as one device. The latter is probably what you're after, I have done this before to bridge my VirtualBox VMs with the rest of my lan and it works quite well. Will I need patch or crossover cables. Whether to use a straight or crossed cable depends on the device you're using rather than the configuration. PC to PC, or hub to hub uplink demands a crossed cable, most other applications use straight cables (eg. PC to hub, hub to hub non-uplink). All help much appreciated. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Hmm, would hardy's new Easy Firewall work in this situation? it lets you route prots with simple commands. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Can I use a desktop PC as a network hub?
Quoting James Grabham [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Right, Im setting up a p3 800mhz 256mb box as a firewall, file server, media player and to use for other stuff. Now I will have ModemPCold wireless router If I do this, I will have all network traffic coming at it through a single 10/100 connection. Instead of plugging all my wired computers into the router, can I shove some more NICs into the srever, and plug them into this, making it act as a hub as well. So Id have eth0 eth1 eth2 Will this work. Will I need patch or crossover cables. All help much appreciated. It's an expensive and complicated way of doing it. I'd keep it how you've got it at the moment. It might not be such a good idea to run a firewall on the same box as a server. What sort of media are you storing? You should be able to support up to high definition video on a 10/100Mbit connection. I have 8 machines connected to my server for media sharing, over a 100Mbit connection and it runs fine. My server is even running VMWare too so it's technically split into two machines. If you did decide to go ahead though, you'd need crossover cables to go from the PC to the NIC on the server, plus you're limited on how many slots you have. If you're worried about bandwidth maybe you should invest in a gigabit switch and gigabit NICs. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Can I use a desktop PC as a network hub?
On 22/02/2008, Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting James Grabham [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Right, Im setting up a p3 800mhz 256mb box as a firewall, file server, media player and to use for other stuff. Now I will have ModemPCold wireless router If I do this, I will have all network traffic coming at it through a single 10/100 connection. Instead of plugging all my wired computers into the router, can I shove some more NICs into the srever, and plug them into this, making it act as a hub as well. So Id have eth0 eth1 eth2 Will this work. Will I need patch or crossover cables. All help much appreciated. It's an expensive and complicated way of doing it. I'd keep it how you've got it at the moment. It might not be such a good idea to run a firewall on the same box as a server. What sort of media are you storing? You should be able to support up to high definition video on a 10/100Mbit connection. I have 8 machines connected to my server for media sharing, over a 100Mbit connection and it runs fine. My server is even running VMWare too so it's technically split into two machines. If you did decide to go ahead though, you'd need crossover cables to go from the PC to the NIC on the server, plus you're limited on how many slots you have. If you're worried about bandwidth maybe you should invest in a gigabit switch and gigabit NICs. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I would recommend doing the switching/connectivity of other workstations using a hub or a switch, they're inexpensive now. You state that you have a router, is it a multi-port router? That could interconnect your other devices. You'll keep your server's CPU free to do other things. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On 2/22/08, Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps. Jai's Windows-using friends ought to be targeted by the Ubuntu evangelists... think of all the time they'd have on their hands if they were no longer capable of doing all his photo/image manipulation for him, lol!! As good a reason to change OS as any, methinks... ;-) I've tried showing them the light before but they continue to refuse to so much as try Pidgin, let alone a new operating system. Their general approach to free alternatives is that the software they use already meets their requirements so they've no reason (that matters to them) to change. I can understand why people who have never used Photoshop might not find the GIMP complicated to use - especially if they've spent time learning to use it but it presents a problem to people who are used to image tool standards (such as those used in Photoshop and Paintshop). The GIMP manages to be completely different in my eyes (and I'm sure everyone else who complains about the GIMP). GNU/Linux programs and Desktop Environments inherit a lot of standards from Windows and Mac OSes. AbiWord, Microsoft Word and Open Office Writer all follow similar user interface standards and, as a result, people can easily use one after having originally learnt another. The same applies for Evolution, Thunderbird and Microsoft Outlook. In fact, the same applies for most photo editing and image manipulation programs too - GIMP is the exception. As GIMP is, apparently, *THE* image editing tool for Linux and the only choice people are presented with when it comes to image editing it is a SERIOUS problem that it does everything so differently. You may consider my views harsh but, unless anyone else can explain why everyone that finds GIMP impossible to use is complaining, then it's the truth. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 06:59:04PM +, Jai Harrison wrote: I can understand why people who have never used Photoshop might not find the GIMP complicated to use - especially if they've spent time learning to use it but it presents a problem to people who are used to image tool standards (such as those used in Photoshop and Paintshop). The GIMP manages to be completely different in my eyes (and I'm sure everyone else who complains about the GIMP). I used to use Photoshop on a Mac at Uni many years ago, also I used PSP at home in the Windows 3.1 days before I switched to Linux. GNU/Linux programs and Desktop Environments inherit a lot of standards from Windows and Mac OSes. AbiWord, Microsoft Word and Open Office Writer all follow similar user interface standards and, as a result, people can easily use one after having originally learnt another. The same applies for Evolution, Thunderbird and Microsoft Outlook. In fact, the same applies for most photo editing and image manipulation programs too - GIMP is the exception. Maybe it's because it's been such a long time since I used Photoshop, but what is so different about the GIMP? For me it was a complete replacement in a very short time. I've never looked back or missed anything from the closed source apps. -Gav -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk I think we need to: Deflect the particle condenser signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Software Freedom Day 2008
It's that time again! Ok, it isn't, but it's worth mentioning that Software Freedom Day 2008 is on 20th September this year. Just a heads up so you might want to put it in your diary and start thinking about what we can do this year. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Software Freedom Day 2008
Alan Pope wrote: It's that time again! Ok, it isn't, but it's worth mentioning that Software Freedom Day 2008 is on 20th September this year. Just a heads up so you might want to put it in your diary and start thinking about what we can do this year. Cheers, Al. Well in Devon Cornwall (if the Devon Cornwall LUG can agree!) we may be having three events running on the day, one in Penzance, one in Plymouth and another in Exeter. Of course this is currently in theory, actually pulling it off is another matter! Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Software Freedom Day 2008
Hi, I'll organise a Birmingham Team again. But this year I want MORE! :) If your in the Midlands and want to help, email me. Ciarán On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Pope wrote: It's that time again! Ok, it isn't, but it's worth mentioning that Software Freedom Day 2008 is on 20th September this year. Just a heads up so you might want to put it in your diary and start thinking about what we can do this year. Cheers, Al. Well in Devon Cornwall (if the Devon Cornwall LUG can agree!) we may be having three events running on the day, one in Penzance, one in Plymouth and another in Exeter. Of course this is currently in theory, actually pulling it off is another matter! Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
