[ubuntu-uk] update icon

2008-06-06 Thread norman
Could someone please explain why there are two different icons to
indicate that there are updates available one of which is a broad arrow
pointing downwards and the other resembles a gear wheel.

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] update icon

2008-06-06 Thread Kris Douglas
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:06 PM, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Could someone please explain why there are two different icons to
 indicate that there are updates available one of which is a broad arrow
 pointing downwards and the other resembles a gear wheel.

 Norman

I had that too, I beleive it is the high priority updates, like kernel
updates, or security updates.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting

2008-06-06 Thread Matt Daubney
Today I saw someone walking out of the Uni with a Hardy Heron shirt.
Does that count?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting

2008-06-06 Thread Johnathon Tinsley
Matt Daubney wrote:
 Today I saw someone walking out of the Uni with a Hardy Heron shirt.
 Does that count?

I saw someone walking through Victoria tube station wearing an Ubuntu 
polo shirt this morning... does that count? :)

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[ubuntu-uk] Wireless LAN problem

2008-06-06 Thread Gordon
Installed WUBI 8.04 on a Toshiba Satellite L40 that uses the Realtek 8187 
WLan chip. I went to this site
http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/ for the driver, followed the 
instructions there but ran into a problem.
On issuing the ./makedrv command, this happened:
rm -fr *.mod.c *.mod *.o .*.cmd *.mod.* *.ko *.o *~
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/build 
M=/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211 CC=gcc modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in 
/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211/Makefile. Fix it to use 
EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop.
make[1]: *** [_module_/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
make: *** [modules] Error 2
rm -fr *.mod.c *.mod *.o .*.cmd *.ko *~
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/build 
M=/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187 CC=gcc modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in 
/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187/Makefile. Fix it to use 
EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop.
make[1]: *** [_module_/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
make: *** [modules] Error 2

Then when trying the ./wlan0up command I got this:
./wlan0up
insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_wep-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_tkip-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_ccmp-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
insmod: can't read 'ieee80211-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
insmod: can't read 'r8187.ko': No such file or directory


Can anyone divine from all that what has gone wrong and whether it's a 
problem caused by using WUBI instead of a proper install?

Thanks 



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wireless LAN problem

2008-06-06 Thread Philip Wyett
2008/6/6 Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Installed WUBI 8.04 on a Toshiba Satellite L40 that uses the Realtek 8187
 WLan chip. I went to this site
 http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/http://www.datanorth.net/%7Ecuervo/rtl8187b/for
  the driver, followed the
 instructions there but ran into a problem.
 On issuing the ./makedrv command, this happened:
 rm -fr *.mod.c *.mod *.o .*.cmd *.mod.* *.ko *.o *~
 make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/build
 M=/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211 CC=gcc modules
 make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
 scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in
 /home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211/Makefile. Fix it to use
 EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop.
 make[1]: *** [_module_/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211] Error 2
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
 make: *** [modules] Error 2
 rm -fr *.mod.c *.mod *.o .*.cmd *.ko *~
 make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/build
 M=/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187 CC=gcc modules
 make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
 scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in
 /home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187/Makefile. Fix it to use
 EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop.
 make[1]: *** [_module_/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187] Error 2
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
 make: *** [modules] Error 2

 Then when trying the ./wlan0up command I got this:
 ./wlan0up
 insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
 insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_wep-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
 insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_tkip-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
 insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_ccmp-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
 insmod: can't read 'ieee80211-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
 insmod: can't read 'r8187.ko': No such file or directory


 Can anyone divine from all that what has gone wrong and whether it's a
 problem caused by using WUBI instead of a proper install?

 Thanks


See 8187 section near bottom about blacklisted driver:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684495

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[ubuntu-uk] my new lap-top

2008-06-06 Thread London School of Puppetry
It does not hibernate or suspend- can anyone help?
and as I write, the letters keep getting jumbled up- as if I was mad but I'm
not.
I am using Hardy Heron.

Cheers,

Caroline

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] update icon

2008-06-06 Thread London School of Puppetry
2008/6/6 Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:06 PM, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Could someone please explain why there are two different icons to
  indicate that there are updates available one of which is a broad arrow
  pointing downwards and the other resembles a gear wheel.
 
  Norman

 I had that too, I beleive it is the high priority updates, like kernel
 updates, or security updates.

 Not only that I suddenly felt a vibration and a little noise then saw the
 red broad arrow.

Caroline



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] my new lap-top

2008-06-06 Thread Philip Wyett
2008/6/6 London School of Puppetry [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 It does not hibernate or suspend- can anyone help?
 and as I write, the letters keep getting jumbled up- as if I was mad but
 I'm not.
 I am using Hardy Heron.

 Cheers,

 Caroline

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] my new lap-top

2008-06-06 Thread Rob Beard
London School of Puppetry wrote:
 It does not hibernate or suspend- can anyone help?
 and as I write, the letters keep getting jumbled up- as if I was mad but 
 I'm not.
 I am using Hardy Heron.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Caroline
 

What make/model laptop is it?  Someone on the list might have the same 
model.

I found that with regards to hibernation, if you don't have a swap 
partition larger than the amount of physical memory in your machine it 
won't hibernate.  Not sure how much more though, I've generally got away 
with a 1.5GB swap partition in my 1GB laptop and it hibernates okay 
(Dell Latitude D610).

Rob


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] update icon

2008-06-06 Thread Dave Morley
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 22:17 +0100, London School of Puppetry wrote:
 
 
 2008/6/6 Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:06 PM, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Could someone please explain why there are two different
 icons to
  indicate that there are updates available one of which is a
 broad arrow
  pointing downwards and the other resembles a gear wheel.
 
  Norman
 
 
 I had that too, I beleive it is the high priority updates,
 like kernel
 updates, or security updates.
 
 Not only that I suddenly felt a vibration and a little noise
 then saw the red broad arrow.
 Caroline 
 

The answer is simple there are 2 levels of updates.

Red arrow = Critical Update and is therefore signifying you need to
download this now (IIRC there is an Exclamation mark in the arrow)

Cog type = Recommended this is things that will help your system but
aren't so immediately necessary. 
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] my new lap-top

2008-06-06 Thread Philip Wyett
2008/6/6 Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 London School of Puppetry wrote:
  It does not hibernate or suspend- can anyone help?
  and as I write, the letters keep getting jumbled up- as if I was mad but
  I'm not.
  I am using Hardy Heron.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Caroline
 

 What make/model laptop is it?  Someone on the list might have the same
 model.

 I found that with regards to hibernation, if you don't have a swap
 partition larger than the amount of physical memory in your machine it
 won't hibernate.  Not sure how much more though, I've generally got away
 with a 1.5GB swap partition in my 1GB laptop and it hibernates okay
 (Dell Latitude D610).

 Rob



We should forget swap partitions unless someone specifies a custom one and
work by a default install
where the created swap partition is double the amount of physical RAM.

Regards

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wireless LAN problem

2008-06-06 Thread Gordon
  Philip Wyett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



  2008/6/6 Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Installed WUBI 8.04 on a Toshiba Satellite L40 that uses the Realtek 8187
WLan chip. I went to this site
http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/ for the driver, followed the
instructions there but ran into a problem.
On issuing the ./makedrv command, this happened:
rm -fr *.mod.c *.mod *.o .*.cmd *.mod.* *.ko *.o *~
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/build
M=/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211 CC=gcc modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in
/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211/Makefile. Fix it to use
EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop.
make[1]: *** [_module_/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
make: *** [modules] Error 2
rm -fr *.mod.c *.mod *.o .*.cmd *.ko *~
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/build
M=/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187 CC=gcc modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in
/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187/Makefile. Fix it to use
EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop.
make[1]: *** [_module_/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
make: *** [modules] Error 2

Then when trying the ./wlan0up command I got this:
./wlan0up
insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_wep-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_tkip-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_ccmp-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
insmod: can't read 'ieee80211-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
insmod: can't read 'r8187.ko': No such file or directory


Can anyone divine from all that what has gone wrong and whether it's a
problem caused by using WUBI instead of a proper install?

Thanks



  See 8187 section near bottom about blacklisted driver: 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684495 

  Regards

  Phil





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] my new lap-top

2008-06-06 Thread Rob Beard
Philip Wyett wrote:

 We should forget swap partitions unless someone specifies a custom one 
 and work by a default install
 where the created swap partition is double the amount of physical RAM.
 
 Regards
 
 Phil
 

Even when dual booting with Windows?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wireless LAN problem

2008-06-06 Thread Philip Wyett
2008/6/6 Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Philip Wyett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 2008/6/6 Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Installed WUBI 8.04 on a Toshiba Satellite L40 that uses the Realtek 8187
 WLan chip. I went to this site
 http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/http://www.datanorth.net/%7Ecuervo/rtl8187b/for
  the driver, followed the
 instructions there but ran into a problem.
 On issuing the ./makedrv command, this happened:
 rm -fr *.mod.c *.mod *.o .*.cmd *.mod.* *.ko *.o *~
 make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/build
 M=/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211 CC=gcc modules
 make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
 scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in
 /home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211/Makefile. Fix it to use
 EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop.
 make[1]: *** [_module_/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/ieee80211] Error 2
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
 make: *** [modules] Error 2
 rm -fr *.mod.c *.mod *.o .*.cmd *.ko *~
 make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/build
 M=/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187 CC=gcc modules
 make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
 scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in
 /home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187/Makefile. Fix it to use
 EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop.
 make[1]: *** [_module_/home/gordon/rtl8187b-modified/rtl8187] Error 2
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic'
 make: *** [modules] Error 2

 Then when trying the ./wlan0up command I got this:
 ./wlan0up
 insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
 insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_wep-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
 insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_tkip-rtl.ko': No such file or
 directory
 insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_ccmp-rtl.ko': No such file or
 directory
 insmod: can't read 'ieee80211-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
 insmod: can't read 'r8187.ko': No such file or directory


 Can anyone divine from all that what has gone wrong and whether it's a
 problem caused by using WUBI instead of a proper install?

 Thanks


 See 8187 section near bottom about blacklisted driver:
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684495

 Regards

 Phil

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There are running issue with the 8187 under hardy. Hardy should be regarded
as beta software as it was
released way before it should have been. Wait for 8.04.1 next month for a
more stable and usable system.
Most folks using 7.10 are using the 8187 with no real issues.

Many folks seem to be going the ndiswrapper route for the 8187:
http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=678094

You may wish to go this way for now.

Regards

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] my new lap-top

2008-06-06 Thread Philip Wyett
2008/6/6 Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Philip Wyett wrote:

  We should forget swap partitions unless someone specifies a custom one
  and work by a default install
  where the created swap partition is double the amount of physical RAM.
 
  Regards
 
  Phil
 

 Even when dual booting with Windows?

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I would always keep to the double the physical RAM for swap. But then I
don't dual boot and use
other machines to have Windows on.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] my new lap-top

2008-06-06 Thread London School of Puppetry
2008/6/6 Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 London School of Puppetry wrote:
  It does not hibernate or suspend- can anyone help?
  and as I write, the letters keep getting jumbled up- as if I was mad but
  I'm not.
  I am using Hardy Heron.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Caroline
 

 What make/model laptop is it?  Someone on the list might have the same
 model.

 I found that with regards to hibernation, if you don't have a swap
 partition larger than the amount of physical memory in your machine it
 won't hibernate.  Not sure how much more though, I've generally got away
 with a 1.5GB swap partition in my 1GB laptop and it hibernates okay
 (Dell Latitude D610).

 Rob

 *Hi, Dell Inspiron 1525*



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] my new lap-top

2008-06-06 Thread Philip Wyett
2008/6/6 London School of Puppetry [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



 2008/6/6 Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 London School of Puppetry wrote:
  It does not hibernate or suspend- can anyone help?
  and as I write, the letters keep getting jumbled up- as if I was mad but
  I'm not.
  I am using Hardy Heron.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Caroline
 

 What make/model laptop is it?  Someone on the list might have the same
 model.

 I found that with regards to hibernation, if you don't have a swap
 partition larger than the amount of physical memory in your machine it
 won't hibernate.  Not sure how much more though, I've generally got away
 with a 1.5GB swap partition in my 1GB laptop and it hibernates okay
 (Dell Latitude D610).

 Rob

 *Hi, Dell Inspiron 1525*



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] my new lap-top

2008-06-06 Thread Matt Jones




Philip Wyett wrote:

  
  2008/6/6 London School of Puppetry [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  


2008/6/6 Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


  London School of Puppetry wrote:
  
 It does not hibernate or suspend- can anyone help?
 and as I write, the letters keep getting jumbled up- as if I was
mad but
 I'm not.
 I am using Hardy Heron.

 Cheers,

 Caroline

  
  
  
  What make/model laptop is it?  Someone on the
list might have the same
model.
  
I found that with regards to hibernation, if you don't have a swap
partition larger than the amount of physical memory in your machine it
won't hibernate.  Not sure how much more though, I've generally got away
with a 1.5GB swap partition in my 1GB laptop and it hibernates okay
(Dell Latitude D610).
  
Rob
  
  
  Hi, Dell Inspiron 1525
   


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Whats the output (from the terminal) of command: sudo lshw
  
Regards
  
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I suspect  the jubling of letters may be a hardware fault, did you try
windows, or was it one of the dell preinstalled ubuntu ones?
Mj



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Spotting

2008-06-06 Thread Alan Pope
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 21:06 +0100, Johnathon Tinsley wrote:
 I saw someone walking through Victoria tube station wearing an Ubuntu 
 polo shirt this morning... does that count? :)
 

Heh. I went to BQ wearing my Ubuntu Hoodie

https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=145

(which is awesome btw)

Some guy pointed at me and gave a knowing smile and said niiice!.

Cheers,
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