Re: [ubuntu-uk] killed box through /var :P
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:31 +, Tony Arnold wrote: Farran, Matthew Wild wrote: 4 would it be best to generate an install list from synaptic so I know what I've got, and do a clean install with a larger partition? (and how would I do this through aptitude command line - I have no gui at all now). dpkg -l packages.txt However if dpkg is in a bad state, this may not work. I'm thinking number 4 would be easiest and better for my ubuntu - but I want my pc working cos I'm just about to get internet in my room If you have backups, and are really in a mess, a clean install isn't too far-fetched. It can take less time to do that than you'll spend fixing it. The catch is the going through the configuration and installation all over again. However I personally reinstall (at least) every 6 months anyway, and it doesn't really bother me (I enjoy it, even :) ) I agree with Matt. Also during a fresh install you can choose to have /var in a separate partition to /. You may need to use the manual partitioning option. You might also want to consider using Logical Volume Manager (LVM). You will need to read up on it, if you get to grips with it, it will allow you to resize logical volumes (file systems reside in a logical volume as opposed to a physical partition) much more easily. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk cool thanks :D I'm going in in about 20 minutes. I never knew /var was so big relatively - so I'll give it a partition. Any other /directories that should have their own (apart from /home)? Thanks === Farran Lee I'm only 16 :-P attachment: smiley-10.pngattachment: smiley-1.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] killed box through /var :P
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: None of them _need_ to be separate partitions. Historically people used to do this so that an overfilling /var or /home would not bring the system to a standstill as / is unwritable. Personally I don't carve systems up like that at all. You could carve up /home / /etc /var and /usr but it's not worth it on a desktop/laptop these days in my opinion. It's also to do with performance. If you had a large database, say a 20GB Oracle installation, then it makes sense to separate the database files over several physical volumes in order to prevent IO bottlenecks. But that is PHYSICAL rather than logical so if you only have one drive it would be a waste of time. If, however, you had several hard drives I'd seriously consider separating the operating system (/var, /usr, /etc etc.) from temporary storage (/tmp) and the user directories (/home). Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] killed box through /var :P
Farran, Farran wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:31 +, Tony Arnold wrote: Farran, Matthew Wild wrote: 4 would it be best to generate an install list from synaptic so I know what I've got, and do a clean install with a larger partition? (and how would I do this through aptitude command line - I have no gui at all now). dpkg -l packages.txt However if dpkg is in a bad state, this may not work. I'm thinking number 4 would be easiest and better for my ubuntu - but I want my pc working cos I'm just about to get internet in my room If you have backups, and are really in a mess, a clean install isn't too far-fetched. It can take less time to do that than you'll spend fixing it. The catch is the going through the configuration and installation all over again. However I personally reinstall (at least) every 6 months anyway, and it doesn't really bother me (I enjoy it, even :) ) I agree with Matt. Also during a fresh install you can choose to have /var in a separate partition to /. You may need to use the manual partitioning option. You might also want to consider using Logical Volume Manager (LVM). You will need to read up on it, if you get to grips with it, it will allow you to resize logical volumes (file systems reside in a logical volume as opposed to a physical partition) much more easily. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk mailto:tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk cool thanks :D I'm going in in about 20 minutes. I never knew /var was so big relatively - so I'll give it a partition. Any other /directories that should have their own (apart from /home)? I don;t understand why your /var is so big. Mine is only 677MB on my desktop. You could run the disk usage analyser and analyse the whole file system and see where the space is being used. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] killed box through /var :P
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 11:25 +, Tony Arnold wrote: Farran, Farran wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:31 +, Tony Arnold wrote: Farran, Matthew Wild wrote: 4 would it be best to generate an install list from synaptic so I know what I've got, and do a clean install with a larger partition? (and how would I do this through aptitude command line - I have no gui at all now). dpkg -l packages.txt However if dpkg is in a bad state, this may not work. I'm thinking number 4 would be easiest and better for my ubuntu - but I want my pc working cos I'm just about to get internet in my room If you have backups, and are really in a mess, a clean install isn't too far-fetched. It can take less time to do that than you'll spend fixing it. The catch is the going through the configuration and installation all over again. However I personally reinstall (at least) every 6 months anyway, and it doesn't really bother me (I enjoy it, even :) ) I agree with Matt. Also during a fresh install you can choose to have /var in a separate partition to /. You may need to use the manual partitioning option. You might also want to consider using Logical Volume Manager (LVM). You will need to read up on it, if you get to grips with it, it will allow you to resize logical volumes (file systems reside in a logical volume as opposed to a physical partition) much more easily. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk mailto:tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk cool thanks :D I'm going in in about 20 minutes. I never knew /var was so big relatively - so I'll give it a partition. Any other /directories that should have their own (apart from /home)? I don;t understand why your /var is so big. Mine is only 677MB on my desktop. You could run the disk usage analyser and analyse the whole file system and see where the space is being used. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk hmm makes no sense. Anyway...: I have just set up a new partition table, with 30gb at /, 15gb at /media/Work, 3gb at /root, 253gb at /home and 8gb swap. I am not formatting /home or swap, but when I get to the final step of installation where it tells me what it's gonna do, it says it will format 4 partitions. Should I be worried, or does 'formatting' include renaming and mounting partitions? Cheers === Farran Lee I'm only 16 :-P attachment: smiley-10.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] killed box through /var :P
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 15:56 +, Tony Arnold wrote: Farran, Farran wrote: I have just set up a new partition table, with 30gb at /, 15gb at /media/Work, 3gb at /root, 253gb at /home and 8gb swap. I am not formatting /home or swap, but when I get to the final step of installation where it tells me what it's gonna do, it says it will format 4 partitions. Should I be worried, or does 'formatting' include renaming and mounting partitions? Formatting will destroy any data already in those partitions. If you are using an exsiting partition for any of the above and you want to keep what is on it then you need to tell the partitioner not to format it. If it's a new partition then formatting is required. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk cheers, I've done it all now and it worked. Everythng was fine in the clean 8.04.1. But as soon as I upgraded to 8.10, compiz won't work again, and I think there's other issues I haven't discovered yet :( cheers === Farran Lee I'm only 16 :P attachment: stock_smiley-4.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] killed box through /var :P
Farran, Farran wrote: I have just set up a new partition table, with 30gb at /, 15gb at /media/Work, 3gb at /root, 253gb at /home and 8gb swap. I am not formatting /home or swap, but when I get to the final step of installation where it tells me what it's gonna do, it says it will format 4 partitions. Should I be worried, or does 'formatting' include renaming and mounting partitions? Formatting will destroy any data already in those partitions. If you are using an exsiting partition for any of the above and you want to keep what is on it then you need to tell the partitioner not to format it. If it's a new partition then formatting is required. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] killed box through /var :P
2008/12/23 Farran Lee fazzy.bab...@ntlworld.com: cheers, I've done it all now and it worked. Everythng was fine in the clean 8.04.1. But as soon as I upgraded to 8.10, compiz won't work again, and I think there's other issues I haven't discovered yet I'm impressed it still works at all after that! My advice would be to nuke what you've just done and start again. Stay with the 8.04 LTS edition - upgrading every 6mth is a pain in the butt. Have a 2nd installation with the latest edition in it if you want to play around and see what's new. If and when it gets to the point that you really need some of the new stuff, *then* wipe reinstall with that version - but there will probably be a new LTS release about every couple of years. You clearly have a big disk - you said you were leaving a quarter of a terabyte for /home. This being so, you are being *way* too stingy on the other partitions. You said: 30gb at /, 15gb at /media/Work, 3gb at /root, 253gb at /home and 8gb swap Junk the /media/Work partition. All you need is root, home and swap. You said you like installing new software. Software is big, often bigger than data. I'd suggest that what you do is: - take the total disk size (309GB? I don't know if you have other OSs on there. I'll assume not.) - mentally set aside 4G or 8G for swap (so there's about 301G left.) - mentally, split the remaining space 50:50 (to the nearest gig) between root and home. Now, partition it thus: - 1 primary partition, ext3, 150GB (or whatever half the free space is) as / - 1 extended partition of all the rest of the space in the extended partition: - 1 logical partition of 151GB (or whatever the other half is) as /home - another logical paritition, from there to the end of the disk, as swap That way, you've got masses of space for programs. If you later need to adjust it, boot from your Ubuntu live desktop CD and use the Partition Editor. Don't try moving system folders around by hand - it's too risky! -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat: liampro...@aol.com • MSN/Messenger: lpro...@hotmail.com Yahoo: liampro...@yahoo.co.uk • Skype: liamproven • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Toshiba NB100 Notebook
I not gone that far with mine yet. Even though I use Gnome version of Ubuntu, its layout is quit different. I have noticed it can be changed to the standard view, I am going to stick with how it comes for a while to see how it goes. If you do upgrade to 8.10, please let me know how it goes. 2008/12/22 Mark Fraser kubu...@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk On Sunday 21 December 2008 18:11:01 Robert Gardner wrote: Hi EVERY ONE I just bought a Toshiba NB100 Notebook,which comes with UBUNTU pre installed. I am SO GLAD I could finally buy a notebook/computer with Ubuntu pre installed. I have just gone fully over to Ubuntu (still lots to learn). I also bought one last week. It's going to take a while to get used to using Gnome instead of KDE. One thing I've noticed is that the Medibuntu repo doesn't work on the Netbook, something to do with not having packages for the Atom processor. Hopefully I'll be able to upgrade it to 8.10 at some point. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Removing GNOME
I've just installed 8.04 on an elderly laptop (PII-450, 256MB RAM). I only had a vanilla GNOME LiveCD, so I've used that. I've tried installing xubuntu-desktop instead and Xfce is indeed a bit faster on this low-spec PC. How can I now remove GNOME? The hard disk is only 16G, so I don't have disk space to burn. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat: liampro...@aol.com • MSN/Messenger: lpro...@hotmail.com Yahoo: liampro...@yahoo.co.uk • Skype: liamproven • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Removing GNOME
Liam Proven wrote: I've just installed 8.04 on an elderly laptop (PII-450, 256MB RAM). I only had a vanilla GNOME LiveCD, so I've used that. I've tried installing xubuntu-desktop instead and Xfce is indeed a bit faster on this low-spec PC. How can I now remove GNOME? The hard disk is only 16G, so I don't have disk space to burn. if you remove gnome you may lose access to some of the apps that came with gnome, xfce will allow you to load the gnome apps, from within xfce just using the various libraries and other dependancies. well as far as I know it will Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
