[ubuntu-uk] Is it today Koala comes out?????

2009-10-29 Thread John Matthews
Just wondered when Koala was due out. Have tried a forced upgrade using 
altf2 it is still showing a beta version. Is that correct or will it be 
changed today.

Kojm

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[ubuntu-uk] Liverpool Linux User Group Meeting - 4th Nov 2009

2009-10-29 Thread Andrew Williams
Sorry if you've received this announcement multiple times, it is being 
distributed to numerous
mailing lists.

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Date Wed November 4th, 2009 from 7:00pm - 8:00pm
Location: Liverpool Social Centre, 96 Bold Street, Liverpool, England L1 4HY
Speaker: Simon Johnson, and Andrew Williams

Liverpool Linux User Group are a group of Linux and open source software users 
that meet on the
first Wednesday of the month. If no talk is organised then we will usually 
organise a “open stage”
for people to discuss projects, current news, or just to rant.

Main Talk
This month, depending on the time, we may have two talks.

Simon Johnson will be giving his flying talk on building computers from 
scratch, from the logic gates
upwards. 

In addition, Andrew Williams will be giving a quick talk on contributing to 
open source projects, what
are the pitfalls and why even non-programmers should give their time to a 
project.

Open Stage
As per usual, time will be allocated to the end of the talk for anyone to give 
a five minute talk
on any subject. If you want some time just drop me a mail or grab me on the day.

Doors are usually open before 7:00pm if people want to meet up in the centre,  
The Liverpool
Social Centre is two doors up from Forbidden Planet and is the right-hand door 
at the front of
“News From Nowhere”. Check the window for a handy Liverpool LUG sign, which 
will indicate we are
there and not still at the pub. Press the white doorbell for access (the one 
marked basement) and
someone will come up and open the door for you.

This month we're sharing the location with a book group, so be aware if someone 
strange opens the 
door for you. Ask for the Linux group and you should be OK.

After any talks are finished will usually stay in the meeting area until 8:00pm 
then head out to a
local pub, The pub varies from month to month and usually depends on the size 
of the crowd. If you 
arrive late and unsure of where we are then give one of the contacts a ring.

Website: http://livlug.org.uk/
Meeting Details: http://livlug.org.uk/meetings:2009_november
Upcoming: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/4809847
Geekery.in: 
http://www.geekery.in/liverpool/events/2009/11/04/liverpool-linux-user-group-meeting



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is it today Koala comes out?????

2009-10-29 Thread Alan Pope
2009/10/29 John Matthews jake...@sky.com:
 Just wondered when Koala was due out. Have tried a forced upgrade using
 altf2 it is still showing a beta version. Is that correct or will it be
 changed today.


Today is the day, yes. I'd recommend you subscribe to the Ubuntu
Announce mailing list so you know as soon as it's out.

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is it today Koala comes out?????

2009-10-29 Thread Tony Arnold
John,

John Matthews wrote:
 Just wondered when Koala was due out. Have tried a forced upgrade using 
 altf2 it is still showing a beta version. Is that correct or will it be 
 changed today.

Yes, the final version will be made available some time today. It's
usually not until midday or so that it appears.

If you've upgraded this morning or yesterday, then there is unlikely to
much difference to what you have and the final release, so you are
pretty much there already!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is it today Koala comes out?????

2009-10-29 Thread Alan Bell
John Matthews wrote:
 Just wondered when Koala was due out. Have tried a forced upgrade using 
 altf2 it is still showing a beta version. Is that correct or will it be 
 changed today.

 Kojm

   
it will be announced today, which could mean any time, including times
which are tomorrow in some time zones. Personally my guess would be an
announcement just prior to the Canonical crew leaving Millbank for the
London party.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is it today Koala comes out?????

2009-10-29 Thread Liam Wilson
John Matthews wrote:
 Just wondered when Koala was due out. Have tried a forced upgrade using 
 altf2 it is still showing a beta version. Is that correct or will it be 
 changed today.

 Kojm

   
I don't thin Karmic is actually out _YET_ Usually, it's released about 
12-ish, if I'm right? Something to do with American times, I heard once.

Liam

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is it today Koala comes out?????

2009-10-29 Thread Liam Wilson
Alan Pope wrote:
 2009/10/29 John Matthews jake...@sky.com:
   
 Just wondered when Koala was due out. Have tried a forced upgrade using
 altf2 it is still showing a beta version. Is that correct or will it be
 changed today.

 

 Today is the day, yes. I'd recommend you subscribe to the Ubuntu
 Announce mailing list so you know as soon as it's out.

 https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce

 Cheers,
 Al.

   
Don't suppose anyone is attending the IRC release party at 
#ubuntu-release-party on freenode, are they? :P

Liam
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is it today Koala comes out?????

2009-10-29 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting Lucy lucybrid...@gmail.com:

 2009/10/29 Tony Arnold tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk:
 John,

 John Matthews wrote:
 Just wondered when Koala was due out. Have tried a forced upgrade using
 altf2 it is still showing a beta version. Is that correct or will it be
 changed today.

 Yes, the final version will be made available some time today. It's
 usually not until midday or so that it appears.

 If you've upgraded this morning or yesterday, then there is unlikely to
 much difference to what you have and the final release, so you are
 pretty much there already!

 More importantly, should I upgrade my work machine the moment Karmic
 comes out or should I be sensible and wait a few days/weeks?

 I'm very much looking forward to trying it out. I've not tried any of
 the pre-release versions this time. *bounces*

Personal choice I guess.  I'm running it here on my work  
(intel/NVidia-based) macbook and it works great, I've not had any  
issues.

I've been running it for about a week and no problems so far.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] bootable USB drive

2009-10-29 Thread Tony Travis
Steve wrote:
 [...]
 Thank you Liam :-)
 I never thought to try that, it works on an old P4 machine I have.  Sadly
 that option, or any other USB boot option, isn’t available on any of the
 PIII machines I have.

Hello, Steve.

You can boot Ubuntu on a USB-stick indirectly from a CD:

   http://www.pendrivelinux.com/category/usb-boot-cds/

Bye,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is it today Koala comes out?????

2009-10-29 Thread Gordon Allott
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 10:09 +, Lucy wrote:

 More importantly, should I upgrade my work machine the moment Karmic
 comes out or should I be sensible and wait a few days/weeks?
 
 I'm very much looking forward to trying it out. I've not tried any of
 the pre-release versions this time. *bounces*
 

Been using it since the early alpha's here, no problems. we work really
hard on making things not destroy your machine ;) might be a few UI bugs
maybe, but it won't break your system. at any rate, grab a live cd/usb
and try the live version just incase there are hardware problems

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is it today Koala comes out?????

2009-10-29 Thread Tony Arnold
Lucy,

Lucy wrote:

 More importantly, should I upgrade my work machine the moment Karmic
 comes out or should I be sensible and wait a few days/weeks?

I guess it depends on how well the servers deal with the sudden rush of
everyone upgrading! My head says I should wait a few days but my lack of
patience probably means I'll do it today or tomorrow:-)

 I'm very much looking forward to trying it out. I've not tried any of
 the pre-release versions this time. *bounces*

Had it on my laptop for a while. Works fine with no problems. Intel
graphics drivers are infinitely better so all the compiz bells and
whistles work very nicely now.

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is it today Koala comes out?????

2009-10-29 Thread jim.cameron
 Likewise here - been running the RC and can report that it's
 been pretty seamless on all the hardware i've thrown it at.
 Probably the least hassle I've had from any release yet.
 I'll be testing the server edition in a few VM's in due
 course for fairly innocuous stuff (Nagios, etc) but will wait
 until the download frenzy has finished for that...

If it boots off my RAID array out of the box I will be happy. (Haven't
had time to try out the prerelease, I might have a go at installing the
release tomorrow.)

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[ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread James Milligan

You probably already knew, but the Ubuntu homepage has changed for 9.10

Koala appears to have been officially released!

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[ubuntu-uk] Updating previous ISO with zsync

2009-10-29 Thread Rob Beard
Hi folks,

I've just checked the Virgin Media mirror and it appears it hasn't been 
updated for Ubuntu 9.10 (it still has the RC version at the moment).  I 
remember reading something possibly a few days ago about being able to 
update the old image to the new image using zsync so it only downloads 
the changes.

I just wondered if anyone knew how to do this?

Ta,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Alan Pope
2009/10/29 Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk:
 Great, just in time, I'm just about to sort a PC out and was going to
 install 9.04.  Guess it'll get 9.10 instead :-)


Use the torrents if you can:-

http://popey.com/karmic_torrents/

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Philip Stubbs
2009/10/29 Alan Pope a...@popey.com:
 2009/10/29 Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk:
 Great, just in time, I'm just about to sort a PC out and was going to
 install 9.04.  Guess it'll get 9.10 instead :-)


 Use the torrents if you can:-

 http://popey.com/karmic_torrents/

'Gentlemen, start your BitTorrent's!' :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread James Milligan
On 29/10/2009 15:40, James Milligan wrote:
 On 29/10/2009 15:26, Rob Beard wrote:
 Philip Stubbs wrote:
 2009/10/29 Alan Popea...@popey.com:
 2009/10/29 Rob Beardr...@esdelle.co.uk:
 Great, just in time, I'm just about to sort a PC out and was going to
 install 9.04.  Guess it'll get 9.10 instead :-)
 Use the torrents if you can:-

 http://popey.com/karmic_torrents/ 
 'Gentlemen, start your BitTorrent's!' :-)

 Yep, I've plumped for that option.  I was hoping for a speedy download
 via torrents but I'm getting about 100k a sec, far cry from the 2 Meg a
 sec I normally get.  Oh well, I'll make some lunch and have a cup of
 tea, it should be done in an hour or two and it's no major hurry. :-)

 I feel sorry for those poor servers though, bet they're going to get
 hammered over the next couple of days.

 Rob
Per torrent I'm getting ~150 a piece for desktop and server, whilst it's 
around 50-80 for the alternate ISO.

James

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Alan Pope
2009/10/29 Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk:
 Yep, I've plumped for that option.  I was hoping for a speedy download
 via torrents but I'm getting about 100k a sec, far cry from the 2 Meg a
 sec I normally get.  Oh well, I'll make some lunch and have a cup of
 tea, it should be done in an hour or two and it's no major hurry. :-)


http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/

Is nice and spritely :)

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Rob Beard
James Milligan wrote:
 Per torrent I'm getting ~150 a piece for desktop and server, whilst 
 it's around 50-80 for the alternate ISO.

 James
I got up to 600KB/sec, although I've stopped it for a minute so I can...

puts on flame retardant jacket

...download Windows 7

runs and hides

My other half is a student (well technically, she still has a student 
e-mail account) and at £30 I thought it was too good to miss upgrading 
her PC from Windows XP.  I have tried to convince her to use Ubuntu 
although she's not having any of it.  Maybe now 9.10 has been released I 
could maybe convince her.

When Windows 7 has finished downloading I'll continue with Ubuntu and 
leave it seeding for a bit (albeit slowly as I don't want to be hit by 
the fair usage on Virgin, although after 9pm I'll leave it seeding all 
night at 70KB/sec or so to do my bit).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Rob Beard
Alan Pope wrote:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/

 Is nice and spritely :)

 Cheers,
 Al.
   
Ahh I'll grab the server and alternative ISOs from there later.

I did wonder, now you can do a full disk encryption on the Alternative 
CD, does that cover the Server install too, and is it possible to use 
software raid and full disc encryption?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Updating previous ISO with zsync

2009-10-29 Thread Neil Perry
`zsync -i ubuntuold.iso http://final.iso`

Replace the names, ofcourse.
Neil Perry


2009/10/29 Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk

 Hi folks,

 I've just checked the Virgin Media mirror and it appears it hasn't been
 updated for Ubuntu 9.10 (it still has the RC version at the moment).  I
 remember reading something possibly a few days ago about being able to
 update the old image to the new image using zsync so it only downloads
 the changes.

 I just wondered if anyone knew how to do this?

 Ta,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Alan Pope
2009/10/29 Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk:
 I did wonder, now you can do a full disk encryption on the Alternative
 CD,

You could do that in previous releases too.

 does that cover the Server install too, and is it possible to use
 software raid and full disc encryption?


I don't see why not. LUKS on top of MD sounds fun. Be interested to find out :)

Cheers,
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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Netbook Remix USB Stick Version

2009-10-29 Thread jim murphy
I recall downloading a stick image rather than an iso...(many netbooks
do not have cd drives)

Any hotlinks for this cos I cant find any... Thanks all

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Netbook Remix USB Stick Version

2009-10-29 Thread Alan Pope
2009/10/29 jim murphy murpc...@gmail.com:
 I recall downloading a stick image rather than an iso...(many netbooks
 do not have cd drives)


http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/

http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-netbook-remix-i386.iso

It's not a stick image it's an ISO, I guess because they realised
people couldn't figure out how to put an IMG on a USB stick :S

Just use unetbootin or USB startup disk creator (in Ubuntu) to make
the USB stick from that ISO.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Rob Beard
Alan Pope wrote:
 2009/10/29 Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk:
   
 I did wonder, now you can do a full disk encryption on the Alternative
 CD,
 

 You could do that in previous releases too.

   
 does that cover the Server install too, and is it possible to use
 software raid and full disc encryption?

 

 I don't see why not. LUKS on top of MD sounds fun. Be interested to find out 
 :)
 I
 Cheers,
 Al.

   
I'll have to have a play and see :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread James Milligan
On 29/10/2009 16:41, Rob Beard wrote:
 Alan Pope wrote:

 2009/10/29 Rob Beardr...@esdelle.co.uk:

  
 I did wonder, now you can do a full disk encryption on the Alternative
 CD,


 You could do that in previous releases too.


  
 does that cover the Server install too, and is it possible to use
 software raid and full disc encryption?



 I don't see why not. LUKS on top of MD sounds fun. Be interested to find out 
 :)
 I
 Cheers,
 Al.


  
 I'll have to have a play and see :-)

 Rob



As there are a fair few people on the torrents, is there anything that I 
can do on my shared hosting sites to speed things up perhaps? I don't 
know how I could do something though, or if it would benefit anyone!

Feel free to reply off-list

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Paul Sutton
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 I don't see why not. LUKS on top of MD sounds fun. Be interested to find 
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 Cheers,
 Al.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Rob Beard
Paul Sutton wrote:

 I don't see why not. LUKS on top of MD sounds fun. Be interested to find 
 out :)
 I
 Cheers,
 Al.

 

 Do people no longer speak English,  the above is meaningless.

 Paul
   
I understand it, I think.  I gather LUKS is the encryption system that 
Ubuntu uses, MD is Software RAID.  Software RAID devices are MD devices.

So I think what Alan is saying, it sounds like fun trying to encrypt a 
Software RAID device, although I'm kicking myself now for not pushing 
one of my clients to pay an extra £70 for a hardware raid controller on 
the Dell server they just ordered.  Oh well.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Paul Sutton
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Rob Beard wrote:
 Paul Sutton wrote:
 I don't see why not. LUKS on top of MD sounds fun. Be interested to find 
 out :)
 I
 Cheers,
 Al.

 
 Do people no longer speak English,  the above is meaningless.

 Paul
   
 I understand it, I think.  I gather LUKS is the encryption system that 
 Ubuntu uses, MD is Software RAID.  Software RAID devices are MD devices.
 
 So I think what Alan is saying, it sounds like fun trying to encrypt a 
 Software RAID device, although I'm kicking myself now for not pushing 
 one of my clients to pay an extra £70 for a hardware raid controller on 
 the Dell server they just ordered.  Oh well.
 
 Rob
 
 
Ok my point was more and similar to what someone said on the lug list a
while back,  posts or some are very technical and put new users off,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:26:26PM +, Paul Sutton wrote:
 Rob Beard wrote:
  Paul Sutton wrote:
  I don't see why not. LUKS on top of MD sounds fun. Be interested to 
  find out :)
  Al.
 
  
  Do people no longer speak English,  the above is meaningless.

[...]

 Ok my point was more and similar to what someone said on the lug list a
 while back,  posts or some are very technical and put new users off,

Hear hear, I would like to see a video of popey explaining software
RAID and disk encryption using only the medium of mime, none of
these complicated word things.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.10 released

2009-10-29 Thread Rob Beard
Andy Smith wrote:
 Ok my point was more and similar to what someone said on the lug list a
 while back,  posts or some are very technical and put new users off,
 

 Hear hear, I would like to see a video of popey explaining software
 RAID and disk encryption using only the medium of mime, none of
 these complicated word things.

 Cheers,
 Andy
   
I wouldn't be surprised if they isn't a screencast for that :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is it today Koala comes out?????

2009-10-29 Thread John Matthews
Alan Pope wrote:
 2009/10/29 John Matthews jake...@sky.com:
   
 Just wondered when Koala was due out. Have tried a forced upgrade using
 altf2 it is still showing a beta version. Is that correct or will it be
 changed today.

 

 Today is the day, yes. I'd recommend you subscribe to the Ubuntu
 Announce mailing list so you know as soon as it's out.

 https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce

 Cheers,
 Al.

   
Well, I just upgraded my netbook, and everything went really well. Its 
odd, considering I still cant use the PlacesNetwork, it is still not 
able to find anything, and I still get the error message, cant mount. I 
have tried everything. I am still wondering if something is missing in 
the upgrade. My netbook can see the laptop, and the windows partition on 
the laptop, using 9.10, plus it can see the windows machine, and I didnt 
have to do anything to it. Worked as soon as 9.10 was installed, so I 
wonder why it wont do the same with the laptop.

John



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Karmic screen resolution problems

2009-10-29 Thread Les Cunningham
I have installed Karmic alongside Jaunty on a computer with an Intel
graphics chipset, but in Karmic the screen resolution is limited to 800
x 600. Are there still problems with the Intel graphics driver? Is
there an easy way to revert to an earlier version which will give the
same screen resolution that I get in Jaunty, which is 1152 x 864? I do
have some reason to suspect that there might be a hardware problem, as I 
think I was getting a slightly higher resolution than that until the 
display threw a wobbly a few months ago.

Also,I am surprised to find that GRUB takes much longer to load than before.


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[ubuntu-uk] Setting Up an Ubuntu network?

2009-10-29 Thread Liam Wilson
Hey, I have 2 computers Running Ubuntu 9.04 (soon to be 9.10) Thing is, 
ones a laptop, and the others a netbook running UNR. They're currently 
connected to a XP server via Samba, But I'd like to set up a Linux 
network between the laptop and the netbook, with the Laptop as the client.

How would I go about this, as I know nothing of Ubuntu networking.

Many thanks;

Liam

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Karmic screen resolution problems

2009-10-29 Thread Rob Beard
Les Cunningham wrote:
 I have installed Karmic alongside Jaunty on a computer with an Intel
 graphics chipset, but in Karmic the screen resolution is limited to 800
 x 600. Are there still problems with the Intel graphics driver? Is
 there an easy way to revert to an earlier version which will give the
 same screen resolution that I get in Jaunty, which is 1152 x 864? I do
 have some reason to suspect that there might be a hardware problem, as I 
 think I was getting a slightly higher resolution than that until the 
 display threw a wobbly a few months ago.

   
I've found booting from a Live USB image, that the Intel drivers are 
much better (for me at least) on my notebook.  Compiz works well again 
and it's nice and quick.  However, I also installed Karmic on an older 
PC (Athlon XP 2000+ with 512MB Ram and NVidia integrated graphics which 
according to lspci are Geforce 2MX integrated graphics).  When booting 
from the live CD it prompted me that proprietory drivers were available 
for my video card, however once installed it's stuck at 800x600 and 
opening the Hardware Drivers application suggests that I don't need any 
drivers.

I dunno, maybe it's a bug, I'm going to have a play with xorg.conf and 
see what happens.
 Also,I am surprised to find that GRUB takes much longer to load than before
Yeah I found that, seems that it takes about 1 to 2 seconds to come up 
with a message saying GRUB Loading (or something along those lines) 
whereas before it was pretty much instant loading.

Booting on the Athlon XP wasn't overly quick but I'm putting that down 
to old hardware.

Rob

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