Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is Ubuntu getting too bloated?

[Paul Morgan-Roach]

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On 05/29/2010 06:27 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
> 
> I use the social media enhancements and find them very useful, I would be
> surprised if they are causing any significant load, I certainly cant see
> that when I look at the processes loading the system.  I would prefer not to
> loose anything detracted from the current desktop/netbook version of Ubuntu
> as it seems to be pretty close the mark for the user groups I have been
> working with.

Hi John - i'd say it's user preference, and if you are a heavy social
networking user, then there's nothing wrong with it :)  And there is
undoubtedly a large market that benefit from these features!

> Whilst I grew up (in terms of Linux) with Debian and have fond memories of
> installing it instead of Windows 95, I have not felt the need to go back for
> several years.  I do really appreciate the efforts that the debian community
> make and I doubt there would have been an Ubuntu distro with out them.

I think it does a little good to experiment with other distributions and
the directions they are going in from time to time, particularly
upstream distributions, but some derivatives are also doing some very
clever things.  Take for example the Mandriva Directory Server - which i
personally feel would be good for the Ubuntu project to adopt as that
would make migrations from mixed windows/linux domains significantly
easier :)

The Debian team have indeed done great things in building a foundation
for the Ubuntu project as well as a plethora of other distro's, and this
is the beauty of the linux ecosystem - the freedom of choice and ease of
migration is a fantastic thing :)

> I do note that you are using Ubuntu for a very different use case and hope
> that your issues are addressed in Ubuntu or you are happy with debian.
> 
I was just trying to gauge opinions from the list and get my views out
in the open.  I think the Ubuntu distro is fantastic and is a good
all-round performer, ideal for new users and experienced users alike,
but unfortunately has become to some degree unsuitable for some (but not
all of my functions). I'll definitely keep a few Ubuntu boxes around the
place, as they serve their functions exceptionally well, but for
day-to-day use I'll probably use something a little lighter :)

Thanks for all the responses, they were most informative :)

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[ubuntu-uk] Software Freedom Day 2010 in Manchester

[Michael Dorrington]

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Manchester Free Software (MFS) is running Software Freedom Day (SFD)
2010 in Manchester on Saturday, September 18th, 2010 at Madlab:
http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/teams/europe/uk/manchester
Last year the Manchester event was effectively the Software Freedom Day
of the North of England.

SFD  is a global celebration of
software freedom and has Canonical as one of its sponsors
. Ubuntu CDs
were part of the Sponsorship package last year.

If you are interested in helping out with SFD2010 in Manchester please
let me know.

Regards,
Mike.
MFS Chair.

P.S. I am not subscribed to the list.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Is Ubuntu Getting Too Bloated?

[Andy Smith]

Hi Nigel,

On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:20:34PM +0100, Nigel Verity wrote:
> I feel that the ideal approach for any distro should be to install the OS and 
> management utilities from the live CD, then leave the rest to the choice of 
> the user.

I would feel hesitant to make a generalisation like "any distro",
because some are quite different in their aims and target market.
Opinions will differ over what exactly is "bloat" and what is
required for a decent user experience. A Linux install that only has
enough on it to enable it to boot, configure network and allow the
admin to install extra packages would look pretty scary to most
people.

I think that the overall "Ubuntu experience" for a typical user is
defined by how it looks and works out of a default install without
having to make any kind of decision at all. As such there are
inevitably going to be things installed and enabled that a power
user might not want. Power users can make that sort of decision.

Compared to the average person, everyone on this list is probably a
power user..

Cheers,
Andy

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