Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 17/08/10 22:11, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > > I suppose it comes down to your market. Thinking about it, mobile > phones are consumer items. It's a Nokia or a Samsung, not a Symbian or > Brew or Android or Windows Mobile. Or is it? They are definitely > promoting Android phones (I probably don't need to talk about iPhone > here), but then the version numbers are nice and low. Android 2. > iPhone (iOS) 4. Perhaps the key point is these companies (Google and > Apple) already have mindshare and each version has definite, obvious > improvements over the last. Linux generally has incremental > improvements, so there's not an obvious "wow" moment (just look at the > development of Aqua and Aero and compare to GNOME). Anyone I've shown > Ubuntu to likes Compiz, not the OS, but this is not what is marketed > well depends how often you like your releases. If you go for daily updates of the development version of Ubuntu then you will see incremental improvements (and breakages) if you go for the stable final releases then you see bigger jumps, if you go from LTS to LTS then you see really quite big changes. The thing is you can dip in as often as you like, and you don't need to re-purchase it to do so. > and certainly not why most of *us* use Linux. The interface also stays > the same for the vast majority of users after an upgrade - no new > theme, no new effects, just the same as before. Maybe we need a hint > after an upgrade: "New themes are available! Would you like to view > them?", taking them to Appearance. > and the window buttons never moved . . . http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/look-back-at-ubuntu-and-its-default.html > I think this goes back to a discussion from a while back to do with > marketing to a specific target audience (business, school, home). Each > want different things - but until we start to think of it in that way, > and identify the market for Ubuntu, it won't see a great deal more > take a look at http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ and how the communication guidelines change depending on the target audience identified > adoption outside of the Linux community; while taking Red Hat and SuSE > market share can be profitable for Canonical, it's not exactly why I > spend my time hacking away (in my own small way). > > What was my point? No idea. I've gone way, way off topic. > > Jonathon > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Nice wiki front page
Just been pointed here, on another list, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UruguayTeam Some nice ideas there. Maybe worth using for a bit of inspiration. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 17 August 2010 21:45, Alan Pope wrote: > We get people in #ubuntu-uk asking for help. They mostly say things like:- > > "The latest one" > "8.04" > "How do I find out?" > OK, then it works. That's great! > I actually am typing this > on a Mac and I have to make some effort to find out what version of > OSX it is because I don't know. *boots VM* Well what do you know. About This Mac, Version 10.6.4. > Isn't that because they _rely_ on the animal branding. The OSX box has > a dirty great snow leopard on the outside. Yup. Marketing. It's like having a tiger in your tank, but a leopard in your laptop. I have a meerkat in my machine. Not quite sure what it's up to. On 17 August 2010 21:47, Alan Pope wrote: > Again Android doesn't use the codename as the branding for consumers - > the same way we don't. I have no idea what dessert goes with which > release of Android, I just know 1.5 -> 1.6 -> 2.1 -> 2.2. I have a > vauge idea about eclairs and froyos because I've seen giant desserts, > but your average joe doesn't see that. I suppose it comes down to your market. Thinking about it, mobile phones are consumer items. It's a Nokia or a Samsung, not a Symbian or Brew or Android or Windows Mobile. Or is it? They are definitely promoting Android phones (I probably don't need to talk about iPhone here), but then the version numbers are nice and low. Android 2. iPhone (iOS) 4. Perhaps the key point is these companies (Google and Apple) already have mindshare and each version has definite, obvious improvements over the last. Linux generally has incremental improvements, so there's not an obvious "wow" moment (just look at the development of Aqua and Aero and compare to GNOME). Anyone I've shown Ubuntu to likes Compiz, not the OS, but this is not what is marketed and certainly not why most of *us* use Linux. The interface also stays the same for the vast majority of users after an upgrade - no new theme, no new effects, just the same as before. Maybe we need a hint after an upgrade: "New themes are available! Would you like to view them?", taking them to Appearance. I think this goes back to a discussion from a while back to do with marketing to a specific target audience (business, school, home). Each want different things - but until we start to think of it in that way, and identify the market for Ubuntu, it won't see a great deal more adoption outside of the Linux community; while taking Red Hat and SuSE market share can be profitable for Canonical, it's not exactly why I spend my time hacking away (in my own small way). What was my point? No idea. I've gone way, way off topic. Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 17 August 2010 21:43, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > Nothing soft-sounding here either. I'm probably leaving myself open to > the whole Android dessert-based stuff, aren't I? But then, Google has > to be friendly-friendly or you wouldn't give them your data. Android > Cupcake? Cakes can't be bad. Android NetTrax? Uh. > Again Android doesn't use the codename as the branding for consumers - the same way we don't. I have no idea what dessert goes with which release of Android, I just know 1.5 -> 1.6 -> 2.1 -> 2.2. I have a vauge idea about eclairs and froyos because I've seen giant desserts, but your average joe doesn't see that. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 17 August 2010 21:35, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > There was I think I was posting to a UK list. Looks like I forgot the > huge /s tag. Sorry about that. Won't happen again. (/s and a :P) > > "What version of Linux are you running?" "10.04" "Oh." We get people in #ubuntu-uk asking for help. They mostly say things like:- "The latest one" "8.04" "How do I find out?" If they're 'one of us' they might well say 'lucid' or 'gutsy'. > Now, which of the following is more likely: > "What version of Mac OS are you running?" "Snow Leopard" "Cool!" > "What version of Mac OS are you running?" "10.6.4" "Cool!" > Isn't that because they _rely_ on the animal branding. The OSX box has a dirty great snow leopard on the outside. I actually am typing this on a Mac and I have to make some effort to find out what version of OSX it is because I don't know. So it's not _quite_ the same. We brand with numbers and use codenames during development, Apple use the codename _as_ the brand. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 17 August 2010 21:34, Alan Pope wrote: > On 17 August 2010 21:29, Alan Bell > wrote: >> one more thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_codenames > > > Janus > Sparta > Snowball > Chicago > O'Hare > Frosting > Detroit > Nashville > Memphis > Dolly > > :) > And we all know how well Microsoft software is regarded. ;) Look at the latest ones though (slight cherry-picking, but hey): Longhorn Mojave Q, Quattro Vail Cougar Viridian Centro Blackcomb, Vienna Red Dog A little more positive/aggressive-sounding, perhaps? Windows mobile: Magneto Crossbow Yamazaki Photon Nothing soft-sounding here either. I'm probably leaving myself open to the whole Android dessert-based stuff, aren't I? But then, Google has to be friendly-friendly or you wouldn't give them your data. Android Cupcake? Cakes can't be bad. Android NetTrax? Uh. Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 17/08/10 21:34, Alan Pope wrote: > > Janus > Sparta > Snowball > Chicago > O'Hare > Frosting > Detroit > Nashville > Memphis > Dolly > > :) > > yeah, those all suck :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 17 August 2010 21:21, Alan Pope wrote: > "We" in the Ubuntu community should be encouraging people to use the > version numbers for releases and the codenames for development > versions. However _within_ our community it's not unusual to continue > using the names because we build an affection for them, having worked > on them for months and sporting t-shirts depicting the animals. There was I think I was posting to a UK list. Looks like I forgot the huge /s tag. Sorry about that. Won't happen again. (/s and a :P) "What version of Linux are you running?" "10.04" "Oh." Now, which of the following is more likely: "What version of Mac OS are you running?" "Snow Leopard" "Cool!" "What version of Mac OS are you running?" "10.6.4" "Cool!" IIRC from an episode of UUPC the design lead at Canonical was talking about being Ubuntu's design now being compared to Mac OS X. I think it's fair to start looking at more than just the interface. Re-reading, I think I'm close to trolling, but my main intention was to to create discussion points (certainly more than troll). Love Gmail, just got this through as I was typing: On 17 August 2010 21:29, Alan Bell wrote: > one more thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X > > Kodiak > Cheetah > Puma > Jaguar > Panther > Tiger > Leopard > Snow Leopard > > didn't seem to hurt them too much. What do the names have in common? Power, aggression, positive non-developer-focussed imagery. Ford Cougar vs. Ford Mundano. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 17 August 2010 21:29, Alan Bell wrote: > one more thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_codenames Janus Sparta Snowball Chicago O'Hare Frosting Detroit Nashville Memphis Dolly :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
> Oh, if 13.04 is Raffish Roach do I get a prize? I do!! Personalised distro ;) :D -- Sent from my Nokia N900 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
one more thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X Kodiak Cheetah Puma Jaguar Panther Tiger Leopard Snow Leopard didn't seem to hurt them too much. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 17/08/10 21:07, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > > Easy steps to make your product fail: > > 1) Give it a name only the developers would understand in its proper > context, e.g. GIMP. > 2) ??? > 3) Profit! > *cough* Sorry. > Maverick Meerkat. Advert tie-in. Simples. Was any new ground broken? I > can't really think of any, indicator was introduced in Lucid. Oh wait, > the window button positions. That's ground-breaking, obviously. > Natty Narwhal. Oh come on. > spoilsport! the Narwhal isn't as photogenic as a Meerkat certainly, but the codenames are just codenames for the release in development, once released it will be "Ubuntu 11.04" take a look at the Lucid desktop CD, there is no mention of "Lucid" or "Lynx" (but if you open it up and look inside the pocket there is a dotty Lynx image). On a point of detail the window button positions were in Lucid, you haven't seen everything in Maverick, I think the multi-touch stuff and unity might qualify as somewhat ground breaking though. Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 17 August 2010 21:07, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > 2) Promote the product via this name (or codename). The name is only supposed to be used by developers during the development cycle. Once it releases it becomes 10.04, 10.10 etc. > 3) Wonder why the general public (general ignorant audience) don't > jump on board when they think the name sounds unprofessional or just > plain stupid (e.g. GIMP). It's Ubuntu 10.04. Look at the CD, it doesn't say Lucid _anywhere_ on it. Note the release announcement even plays down the name calling it just a 'codename'. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-April/000133.html "We" in the Ubuntu community should be encouraging people to use the version numbers for releases and the codenames for development versions. However _within_ our community it's not unusual to continue using the names because we build an affection for them, having worked on them for months and sporting t-shirts depicting the animals. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
On 17 August 2010 19:44, Laura Czajkowski wrote: > Aloha, > > Thought folks might be interested to know that 11.04 will be the Natty > Narwhal http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 > > Laura > > -- > Easy steps to make your product fail: 1) Give it a name only the developers would understand in its proper context, e.g. GIMP. 2) ??? 3) Profit! *cough* Sorry. 2) Promote the product via this name (or codename). 3) Wonder why the general public (general ignorant audience) don't jump on board when they think the name sounds unprofessional or just plain stupid (e.g. GIMP). 4) Resist all urges by your community to change the name as there's nothing wrong with it. If you read this far, thank you. The point I think I'm trying to make is that Canonical seems to be wandering further and further off into obscure yet geeky-cool naming schemes. Let's look at them shall we? Warty Warthog. Fine. It was warty. Makes sense, warthog. Warts. Fine. Hoary Hedgehog. Familiar animal, hairy so mature. OK I guess. Breezy Badger. Easy breezy. Nice and simple. Badger is a dependable creature. Good name. Dapper Drake. Dapper, polished. Good. LTS. Drake? It's a male duck. Umm. They like to gang rape female ducks? Or do you mean a flying dragon? Edgy Eft. Edgy, damned right it was. WTF is an Eft? Feisty Fawn. Bit musty and mouldy? Grovelling about on the floor? Oh, wait, you mean eager? And a deer? An eager deer? Gutsy Gibbon. Gutsy, fine. Strong. Gibbon, fine, intelligent, mobile, sociable etc. Hardy Heron. Hardy, strong, LTS. Good name for an LTS. Heron, patient. Good name. Intrepid Ibex. Breaking new ground, Ibex is a call back to Ubuntu origin. Good name. Jaunty Jackalope. OK, here we go. A fictional creature that's a bit sure of itself. Karmic Koala. Karmic as in it has reached nirvana? I'm not sure Karmic was /that/ good. Koalas eat eucalyptus; was that a package introduced? Elastic computing thing? Lucid Lynx. Clear-minded wildcat. Umm. Not exactly a dependable creature for an LTS, then. Maverick Meerkat. Advert tie-in. Simples. Was any new ground broken? I can't really think of any, indicator was introduced in Lucid. Oh wait, the window button positions. That's ground-breaking, obviously. Natty Narwhal. Oh come on. >From WordNet (r) 2.0 : dapper adj : marked by smartness in dress and manners; "a dapper young man"; "a jaunty red hat" [syn: dashing, jaunty, natty, raffish, rakish, smart, spiffy, snappy, spruce] Dapper, Jaunty, Natty? Well, at least that's the codenames for R and S sorted (I'm going to bet now on Raffish and Spiffy). >From WordNet (r) 2.0 : narwhal n : small arctic whale the male having a long spiral ivory tusk [syn: narwal, narwhale, Monodon monoceros] Monodon. Monoceros. Those are good names. Sound powerful, hints of rhinoceros (and Ubuntu again). Oh, wait, we've already had M in 10.10. Raffish Rhinoceros for 13.04, anyone? Nah, rhinoceros is too well known. It would have to be something like Raffish Roach (that's right, it's a fish, but people will think it's a cockroach. Perfect!). Enough ranting. I'll leave you with this: >From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 : narwhal it is called also sea unicorn, unicorn fish, and unicorn whale. Jonathon Oh, if 13.04 is Raffish Roach do I get a prize? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
yes fun to know the new name, saw it on Planet Ubuntu and Jono Bacons twitter before reading your email tough :p > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:44:14 +0100 > From: la...@lczajkowski.com > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal > > Aloha, > > Thought folks might be interested to know that 11.04 will be the Natty > Narwhal http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 > > Laura > > -- > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/czajkowski > http://www.lczajkowski.com > Skype: lauraczajkowski > > > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal
Aloha, Thought folks might be interested to know that 11.04 will be the Natty Narwhal http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 Laura -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/czajkowski http://www.lczajkowski.com Skype: lauraczajkowski -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
