Re: [ubuntu-uk] Off topic - UK vendor cheeplinux?

[Sean Miller]

No new products appear to have been added since 12th March.

http://www.cheeplinux.com/products_new.php?osCsid=d69e9d0a2d0a72b040628960c8fd8886

Sounds to me like they've gone bust :-(

Not the news you want to hear, but in order to strike off a company
you need to have been dormant for 6 months, which would be March...
they would have to have made a declaration to Companies House to this
effect.

Sean

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Off topic - UK vendor cheeplinux?

[Paul Tansom]

** alan c  [2010-09-15 22:32]:
> About  3 weeks ago I ordered a few items (a couple of legacy logo 
> Ubuntu mugs and various stickers) from www.cheeplinux.com. I have 
> purchased from them in the distant past and expected no problem. The 
> site says that most purchases will be dispatched next day, although 
> this is not item specific.
> 
> After a couple of weeks I phoned them for a progress update and was 
> surprised to find that the Contact phone number was not a working one. 
> I sent an online question about the progress of my order, but received 
> no reply.
> 
> My bank says that unless a specific delivery was given, then 30 days 
> must be allowed before any extraordinary action can be processed.
> 
> I am keeping my fingers crossed on this one. I would like to have the 
> products, but it is hard to remain very optimistic.
> 
> Any experiences out there re this vendor please? Off list if you prefer?
> thanks
** end quote [alan c]

If you take a look at Cheep Linux Ltd. on the Companies House website you find:

Last Return Made Up To: 26/05/2009
Next Return Due: 23/06/2010 OVERDUE 

which isn't too encouraging, and:

Status: Active - Proposal to Strike off

which is even less so :(

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Jacob Mansfield]

surely I could just put the live CD onto my working ubuntu desktop and do a
PXE boot to it

On 15 September 2010 19:17, Liam Proven  wrote:

> On 15 September 2010 15:40, Rowan Berkeley 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 15:15:24 +0100, Liam Proven 
> > wrote:
> >> On 15 September 2010 14:04, Jacob Mansfield 
> >> wrote:
> >> > I just type where it puts the curser by default, I can type where I
> >> > like. yes I did try with a USB cd drive and if you actualy read my
> >> > posts rather than yelling at my grammer will know that I did try
> >> > with a USB memory stick
> >>
> >> Aand *that* is right where I stop trying to offer any help or
> >> guidance. HAND. Goodbye.
> >
> > Is there something we can do to persuade you to stop contributing to
> > this list altogether, Liam? If so, please let us know and we shall be
> > only too happy to do it for you.
>
> In general, all I ask is that people abide by the rules and etiquette
> of the medium, do their best to ask questions the smart way (q.v. Eric
> Raymond), and are polite and friendly.
>
> I make my living from freelance IT support and advice. It is what I do
> and have done for the bulk of the last 14 years. I charge £75 per hour
> or part thereof for my services, and I have clients from Scotland to
> Brussels. I have worked with everything from a myriad of individuals
> and home users to multinational banks.
>
> I give help and guidance here because I see it as giving something
> back, repaying in some small way the huge amount of use I've had out
> of Linux since I started playing with it in 1996 and using it
> seriously in 1997.
>
> I do not expect, nor will I tolerate, rudeness, ingratitude and so on.
> If someone can't be bothered to learn how to reply to an email - and
> indeed is willing to *say* they can't be bothered to - or is just
> plain rude - then why should I help them? They're getting a service
> from me that large corporations pay me tens of thousands of pounds
> for.
>
> Sadly it is human nature to value things according to what you pay for
> them. I am not like that; if I get something for free and it's of a
> large degree of use to me, I prize it and am very grateful.
>
> Most people seem to figure, hey, I didn't pay, so it's not worth anything.
>
> The same clearly goes for help and advice.
>
> If a paying client of mine is slow to understand, impatient, rude, or
> calls at 2AM with a problem, I bend over backwards to help. That's
> what they are paying for.
>
> However, personally, I don't tolerate fools. Never mind gladly, not at all.
>
> If someone can't be bothered to write proper English when it is their
> native language, or can't be bothered to learn how to use a mailing
> list, but they still want support - well, from me, they get what they
> pay for. Nothing.
>
> So, a good way to stop getting helpful replies from me is to be
> unhelpful, bolshie, rude or uncooperative.
>
> Do unto others as thou wouldst have them do unto thee.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Liam Proven]

On 15 September 2010 15:40, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 15:15:24 +0100, Liam Proven 
> wrote:
>> On 15 September 2010 14:04, Jacob Mansfield 
>> wrote:
>> > I just type where it puts the curser by default, I can type where I
>> > like. yes I did try with a USB cd drive and if you actualy read my
>> > posts rather than yelling at my grammer will know that I did try
>> > with a USB memory stick
>>
>> Aand *that* is right where I stop trying to offer any help or
>> guidance. HAND. Goodbye.
>
> Is there something we can do to persuade you to stop contributing to
> this list altogether, Liam? If so, please let us know and we shall be
> only too happy to do it for you.

In general, all I ask is that people abide by the rules and etiquette
of the medium, do their best to ask questions the smart way (q.v. Eric
Raymond), and are polite and friendly.

I make my living from freelance IT support and advice. It is what I do
and have done for the bulk of the last 14 years. I charge £75 per hour
or part thereof for my services, and I have clients from Scotland to
Brussels. I have worked with everything from a myriad of individuals
and home users to multinational banks.

I give help and guidance here because I see it as giving something
back, repaying in some small way the huge amount of use I've had out
of Linux since I started playing with it in 1996 and using it
seriously in 1997.

I do not expect, nor will I tolerate, rudeness, ingratitude and so on.
If someone can't be bothered to learn how to reply to an email - and
indeed is willing to *say* they can't be bothered to - or is just
plain rude - then why should I help them? They're getting a service
from me that large corporations pay me tens of thousands of pounds
for.

Sadly it is human nature to value things according to what you pay for
them. I am not like that; if I get something for free and it's of a
large degree of use to me, I prize it and am very grateful.

Most people seem to figure, hey, I didn't pay, so it's not worth anything.

The same clearly goes for help and advice.

If a paying client of mine is slow to understand, impatient, rude, or
calls at 2AM with a problem, I bend over backwards to help. That's
what they are paying for.

However, personally, I don't tolerate fools. Never mind gladly, not at all.

If someone can't be bothered to write proper English when it is their
native language, or can't be bothered to learn how to use a mailing
list, but they still want support - well, from me, they get what they
pay for. Nothing.

So, a good way to stop getting helpful replies from me is to be
unhelpful, bolshie, rude or uncooperative.

Do unto others as thou wouldst have them do unto thee.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Jim Price]

On 15/09/10 16:22, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> I couldn't see the option to install inside windows, anything else I could
> try, other than using PXE

I have managed to install on a machine which had similar issues to yours 
by adding an entry to the boot.ini to point to a linux loader (grub4dos 
I think) which then loaded the kernel and initrd which I'd copied to the 
hard disk, and that allowed me to continue the install as normal. That 
worked because after I had managed to boot, the kernel could see the 
PCMCIA CD-ROM drive with the rest of the installer files on it. It 
should also work with a USB stick or other storage device with an Ubuntu 
liveCD image on it. This method could probably be made to work - indeed 
I would expect someone to have documented it somewhere on the web by now.

The idea is documented under the section "Windows NT/2000/XP (using 
Grub)" here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows

If that isn't helpful, I could have a go at writing it up myself, but 
I'll need to ask several questions about your windows install if you 
want to go down that route.

Another way would be to see if you could set up the boot.ini to run 
something like Plop as a boot loader, and see if that can see the USB 
stick well enough to boot from it.

None of these methods are really as complicated as they sound once you 
have done them the first time - they are just more difficult to document 
that to do.

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[ubuntu-uk] Off topic - UK vendor cheeplinux?

[alan c]

About  3 weeks ago I ordered a few items (a couple of legacy logo 
Ubuntu mugs and various stickers) from www.cheeplinux.com. I have 
purchased from them in the distant past and expected no problem. The 
site says that most purchases will be dispatched next day, although 
this is not item specific.

After a couple of weeks I phoned them for a progress update and was 
surprised to find that the Contact phone number was not a working one. 
I sent an online question about the progress of my order, but received 
no reply.

My bank says that unless a specific delivery was given, then 30 days 
must be allowed before any extraordinary action can be processed.

I am keeping my fingers crossed on this one. I would like to have the 
products, but it is hard to remain very optimistic.

Any experiences out there re this vendor please? Off list if you prefer?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Jacob Mansfield]

I couldn't see the option to install inside windows, anything else I could
try, other than using PXE

On 15 September 2010 15:42, Alan Pope  wrote:

> On 15 September 2010 15:40, Rowan Berkeley 
> wrote:
> >> Aand *that* is right where I stop trying to offer any help or
> >> guidance. HAND. Goodbye.
> >
> > Is there something we can do to persuade you to stop contributing to
> > this list altogether, Liam? If so, please let us know and we shall be
> > only too happy to do it for you.
> >
>
> Ok, personal attacks are not welcome on this (or any other) Ubuntu list.
>
> Lets step away from the keyboard, deep breath, and think before you mail.
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists --> Mailing list
> etiquette
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Alan Pope]

On 15 September 2010 15:40, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
>> Aand *that* is right where I stop trying to offer any help or
>> guidance. HAND. Goodbye.
>
> Is there something we can do to persuade you to stop contributing to
> this list altogether, Liam? If so, please let us know and we shall be
> only too happy to do it for you.
>

Ok, personal attacks are not welcome on this (or any other) Ubuntu list.

Lets step away from the keyboard, deep breath, and think before you mail.

http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists --> Mailing list etiquette

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Rowan Berkeley]

On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 15:15:24 +0100, Liam Proven 
wrote:
> On 15 September 2010 14:04, Jacob Mansfield 
> wrote:
> > I just type where it puts the curser by default, I can type where I
> > like. yes I did try with a USB cd drive and if you actualy read my 
> > posts rather than yelling at my grammer will know that I did try 
> > with a USB memory stick
> 
> Aand *that* is right where I stop trying to offer any help or
> guidance. HAND. Goodbye. 

Is there something we can do to persuade you to stop contributing to
this list altogether, Liam? If so, please let us know and we shall be
only too happy to do it for you.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Glen Mehn]

  On 15/09/10 14:39, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> I agree, I have tried all of the boot options with both USB memory 
> stick and cdrom pluged in, still nothing, but I do have ubuntu on it 
> at the moment
>
Hi Jacob,

I apologise for not realising this sooner-- Matt's pointed out that the 
bios on your netbooks is, at a minimum, a bit odd. I'm sure you're now 
frustrated by us all yelling at you! (well, maybe not yelling, but 
insisting that it *should* work)

This page may/should have what you need:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows

Scroll down to the "CD Image approach" section.

Alternatively, you *may* be able to re-install using wubi and select 
something like "full installation" (rather than "install inside Windows").

I hope this helps.

-g

> On 15 September 2010 14:07, Matthew Daubney  > wrote:
>
>
> > On 15 September 2010 10:36, Matthew Daubney  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:53 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> > > the F12 options are PCMIA cdrom, hard disk and network boot
> >
> >
> > Did you have a bootable USB stick in at the time? It
> will only
> > show you
> > what it detects (and the standard CDROM/Hard disk thing)
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com 
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
> >
> >
> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 13:49 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> > yep, I used the usb disk creator on my desktop with the nbr image
> >
>
> Actually reading around, it seems Toshiba really are that dumb!
> There is
> a workaround here http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/post/39955/#p39955
>
> Seems to boot a toshiba r100 from an image you need either a toshiba
> cdrom drive or a toshiba floppy drive. Which is an emensley bad design
> decision, as if the HDD conks out, you need one of those to
> recover your
> system!
>
> Bonkers, truely truely bonkers!
>
> -Matt Daubney
>
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Liam Proven]

On 15 September 2010 14:04, Jacob Mansfield  wrote:
> I just type where it puts the curser by default, I can type where I like.
> yes I did try with a USB cd drive and if you actualy read my posts rather
> than yelling at my grammer will know that I did try with a USB memory stick

Aand *that* is right where I stop trying to offer any help or guidance.

HAND. Goodbye.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Jacob Mansfield]

I agree, I have tried all of the boot options with both USB memory stick and
cdrom pluged in, still nothing, but I do have ubuntu on it at the moment

On 15 September 2010 14:07, Matthew Daubney  wrote:

>
> > On 15 September 2010 10:36, Matthew Daubney 
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:53 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> > > the F12 options are PCMIA cdrom, hard disk and network boot
> >
> >
> > Did you have a bootable USB stick in at the time? It will only
> > show you
> > what it detects (and the standard CDROM/Hard disk thing)
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
> >
> >
> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 13:49 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> > yep, I used the usb disk creator on my desktop with the nbr image
> >
>
> Actually reading around, it seems Toshiba really are that dumb! There is
> a workaround here http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/post/39955/#p39955
>
> Seems to boot a toshiba r100 from an image you need either a toshiba
> cdrom drive or a toshiba floppy drive. Which is an emensley bad design
> decision, as if the HDD conks out, you need one of those to recover your
> system!
>
> Bonkers, truely truely bonkers!
>
> -Matt Daubney
>
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Matthew Daubney]

> On 15 September 2010 10:36, Matthew Daubney 
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:53 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> > the F12 options are PCMIA cdrom, hard disk and network boot
> 
> 
> Did you have a bootable USB stick in at the time? It will only
> show you
> what it detects (and the standard CDROM/Hard disk thing)
> 
> 
> 
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> 
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 13:49 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> yep, I used the usb disk creator on my desktop with the nbr image
> 

Actually reading around, it seems Toshiba really are that dumb! There is
a workaround here http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/post/39955/#p39955

Seems to boot a toshiba r100 from an image you need either a toshiba
cdrom drive or a toshiba floppy drive. Which is an emensley bad design
decision, as if the HDD conks out, you need one of those to recover your
system!

Bonkers, truely truely bonkers!

-Matt Daubney 



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Jacob Mansfield]

I just type where it puts the curser by default, I can type where I like.
yes I did try with a USB cd drive and if you actualy read my posts rather
than yelling at my grammer will know that I did try with a USB memory stick

On 15 September 2010 13:51, Liam Proven  wrote:

> On 15 September 2010 09:53, Jacob Mansfield  wrote:
> > the F12 options are PCMIA cdrom, hard disk and network boot
>
> Please don't top-quote on this (or any other) mailing list. Your reply
> should go /under/ the text to which you're responding.
>
> You do realise that it won't show options that aren't there? In other
> words, there will only be an option to boot from USB key if there is a
> USB key plugged in. Similarly it will only show an option to boot from
> a USB DVD-ROM (or similar) if it's actually connected at the time.
>
> This is no mystery. The computer isn't psychic - it can't offer you
> the choice of devices to boot from that you've not connected yet, or
> indeed, perhaps not purchased yet!
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Matthew Daubney]

On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 13:49 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> yep, I used the usb disk creator on my desktop with the nbr image
> 
> On 15 September 2010 10:36, Matthew Daubney 
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:53 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> > the F12 options are PCMIA cdrom, hard disk and network boot
> 
> 
> Did you have a bootable USB stick in at the time? It will only
> show you
> what it detects (and the standard CDROM/Hard disk thing)
> 
> 
> 
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If you go into the bios with it plugged in, it should be a selectable
boot option in there. I have noticed some bios's now decide that a USB
key is in fact a hard drive, so you have to choose it as the first hdd
in the list of hard drives, which is just silly really.

-Matt Daubney




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Liam Proven]

On 15 September 2010 09:53, Jacob Mansfield  wrote:
> the F12 options are PCMIA cdrom, hard disk and network boot

Please don't top-quote on this (or any other) mailing list. Your reply
should go /under/ the text to which you're responding.

You do realise that it won't show options that aren't there? In other
words, there will only be an option to boot from USB key if there is a
USB key plugged in. Similarly it will only show an option to boot from
a USB DVD-ROM (or similar) if it's actually connected at the time.

This is no mystery. The computer isn't psychic - it can't offer you
the choice of devices to boot from that you've not connected yet, or
indeed, perhaps not purchased yet!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Jacob Mansfield]

yep, I used the usb disk creator on my desktop with the nbr image

On 15 September 2010 10:36, Matthew Daubney  wrote:

>
> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:53 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> > the F12 options are PCMIA cdrom, hard disk and network boot
>
> Did you have a bootable USB stick in at the time? It will only show you
> what it detects (and the standard CDROM/Hard disk thing)
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Matthew Daubney]

On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:53 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> the F12 options are PCMIA cdrom, hard disk and network boot

Did you have a bootable USB stick in at the time? It will only show you
what it detects (and the standard CDROM/Hard disk thing)



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] MS vs. OO

[Mary Mooney]

On 15 September 2010 10:00, Yorvyk  wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:10:46 +0100
> Mark Harrison  wrote:
>
>> > From: Jacob Mansfield 
>> > of corse you can do it in OO, why the f**k would you want to use M$
>>
>>
>> Couple of things:
>>
>> 1: I've not used MS Office for about 5 years now, however the one time I
>> needed to was in 2007 for a really complex mailmerge, which is one area
>> where MSO is still better than OOo :-(
>>
>> There are lots of areas where OOo is genuinely better, in terms of
>> functionality, as well as being free (in the cash sense). Actually, it's not
>> quite Free in the OpenSource sense, if you read the Sun licence carefully
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> 2: I'm not sure you CAN do this in OOo - ie, create a link in a spreadsheet
>> that then creates a pre-populated document in Writer. This wasn't a question
>> about mailmerge, but about how to achieve a particular task. To be fair, I
>> don't think that mailmerge in MSO is the right answer either, but given the
>> user in question feels that mailmerge is too complex, I'm guessing that
>> telling them that it needs about 20 lines of VBA macros probably isn't going
>> to work either :-)
>>
>>
>> 3: If you asked a question about OOo, and someone replied "MSO can do this,
>> why the f*** would you use OpenOffice instead", would you:
>>
>> A: Feel that the respondent had a good point, and you should go out and try
>> MS Office.
>>
>> B: Feel that the respondent was a jerk, and that you wanted to steer clear
>> of the kinds of things he was recommending.
>>
>>
>>
>> The reason I bring this up is that I had a meeting with the IT Director of a
>> FTSE 100 company a couple of years ago, and that one of the things that came
>> up was OpenOffice as a possible replacement for MSO.
>>
>> The reply I got was "This is like Linux. I'm fed up of Linux people. They
>> come in and want to have a religious conversation. I want to have a business
>> conversation."
>>
>
>>
>
>> This over-the-top, "why the f would you" stuff is actually DRIVING
>> PEOPLE AWAY FROM LINUX.
>>
>>
>> If I ran for Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Division, then I'd pay people to join
>> LUG lists and post nasty comments about MS to make people feel that the
>> Linux community were nutters :-)
>>
>>
>> So, thanks for harming the spread of Free software.
>>
>>
> Negative publicity is still publicity, panning somebody else’s product rarely 
> works.  I’m (nearly :)  always very careful about the claims I make about 
> what OOo can do.  It is not a drop in replacement for Office.
>
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I have used both MS and OO mailmerges.  The philosopy is about the
same, except that OO lets you create a database for your data.  I
think you can plonk an Excel sheet into an OO database so the problem
is solvable.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] MS vs. OO

[Yorvyk]

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:10:46 +0100
Mark Harrison  wrote:

> > From: Jacob Mansfield 
> > of corse you can do it in OO, why the f**k would you want to use M$
> 
> 
> Couple of things:
> 
> 1: I've not used MS Office for about 5 years now, however the one time I
> needed to was in 2007 for a really complex mailmerge, which is one area
> where MSO is still better than OOo :-(
> 
> There are lots of areas where OOo is genuinely better, in terms of
> functionality, as well as being free (in the cash sense). Actually, it's not
> quite Free in the OpenSource sense, if you read the Sun licence carefully
> :-)
> 
> 
> 2: I'm not sure you CAN do this in OOo - ie, create a link in a spreadsheet
> that then creates a pre-populated document in Writer. This wasn't a question
> about mailmerge, but about how to achieve a particular task. To be fair, I
> don't think that mailmerge in MSO is the right answer either, but given the
> user in question feels that mailmerge is too complex, I'm guessing that
> telling them that it needs about 20 lines of VBA macros probably isn't going
> to work either :-)
> 
> 
> 3: If you asked a question about OOo, and someone replied "MSO can do this,
> why the f*** would you use OpenOffice instead", would you:
> 
> A: Feel that the respondent had a good point, and you should go out and try
> MS Office.
> 
> B: Feel that the respondent was a jerk, and that you wanted to steer clear
> of the kinds of things he was recommending.
> 
> 
> 
> The reason I bring this up is that I had a meeting with the IT Director of a
> FTSE 100 company a couple of years ago, and that one of the things that came
> up was OpenOffice as a possible replacement for MSO.
> 
> The reply I got was "This is like Linux. I'm fed up of Linux people. They
> come in and want to have a religious conversation. I want to have a business
> conversation."
> 

> 

> This over-the-top, "why the f would you" stuff is actually DRIVING
> PEOPLE AWAY FROM LINUX.
> 
> 
> If I ran for Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Division, then I'd pay people to join
> LUG lists and post nasty comments about MS to make people feel that the
> Linux community were nutters :-)
> 
> 
> So, thanks for harming the spread of Free software.
> 
> 
Negative publicity is still publicity, panning somebody else’s product rarely 
works.  I’m (nearly :)  always very careful about the claims I make about what 
OOo can do.  It is not a drop in replacement for Office.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Jacob Mansfield]

the F12 options are PCMIA cdrom, hard disk and network boot

On 15 September 2010 08:33, Glen Mehn  wrote:

>  On 15/09/10 07:30, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
>
>> what's that ment to do
>>
>> Hi Jacob,
>
> That should, I assume, bring up the boot menu, which means you should be
> able to boot to a USB stick.
>
> The thing is, when you run via WUBI, you run in a container on an NTFS
> filesystem. That may sound like gobbledygook, but what it means is that
> linux will have no control over the fragmentation (are all the bits of the
> files in the same place on the disk) and you may suffer some performance
> limitations. Wubi's a good solution, but there's no way from within Wubi to
> directly install linux (someone shout if I'm wrong).
>
> I think if you get a linux install from, say, pendrivelinux, and then use
> the f12 as suggested by Tommy, you'll be able to reinstall over your Windows
> 7, which is what you suggested you wanted to do.
>
> Glen
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] MS vs. OO

[Simon Greenwood]

I think you can do it but it would involve setting up the spreadsheet as a
data source, which isn't transparent in my experience, but can be done with
a bit of head scratching and judicious Googling.

s/

On 15 Sep 2010 09:11, "Mark Harrison"  wrote:

> From: Jacob Mansfield 
> of corse you can do it in OO, why the f**k would you want to use M$


Couple of things:

1: I've not used MS Office for about 5 years now, however the one time I
needed to was in 2007 for a really complex mailmerge, which is one area
where MSO is still better than OOo :-(

There are lots of areas where OOo is genuinely better, in terms of
functionality, as well as being free (in the cash sense). Actually, it's not
quite Free in the OpenSource sense, if you read the Sun licence carefully
:-)


2: I'm not sure you CAN do this in OOo - ie, create a link in a spreadsheet
that then creates a pre-populated document in Writer. This wasn't a question
about mailmerge, but about how to achieve a particular task. To be fair, I
don't think that mailmerge in MSO is the right answer either, but given the
user in question feels that mailmerge is too complex, I'm guessing that
telling them that it needs about 20 lines of VBA macros probably isn't going
to work either :-)


3: If you asked a question about OOo, and someone replied "MSO can do this,
why the f*** would you use OpenOffice instead", would you:

A: Feel that the respondent had a good point, and you should go out and try
MS Office.

B: Feel that the respondent was a jerk, and that you wanted to steer clear
of the kinds of things he was recommending.



The reason I bring this up is that I had a meeting with the IT Director of a
FTSE 100 company a couple of years ago, and that one of the things that came
up was OpenOffice as a possible replacement for MSO.

The reply I got was "This is like Linux. I'm fed up of Linux people. They
come in and want to have a religious conversation. I want to have a business
conversation."


This over-the-top, "why the f would you" stuff is actually DRIVING
PEOPLE AWAY FROM LINUX.


If I ran for Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Division, then I'd pay people to join
LUG lists and post nasty comments about MS to make people feel that the
Linux community were nutters :-)


So, thanks for harming the spread of Free software.


Mark

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] MS vs. OO

[Alan Pope]

On 15 September 2010 09:10, Mark Harrison  wrote:
> 1: I've not used MS Office for about 5 years now, however the one time I
> needed to was in 2007 for a really complex mailmerge, which is one area
> where MSO is still better than OOo :-(
>

I once made the mistake of saying on a LUG mailing list "I have to use
Microsoft office at work" at which point it was pointed out that I
didn't have to work for that company by one of the members of the
list. This is of course true, and for some people it is indeed
possible and desirable to make a career choice based only on whether
they get to use free software all day or not. An example of such a
person would be Bradley Kuhn. Personally that's not a choice I'm going
to make because I'm a pragmatist, and the software I use on a daily
basis is only part of the decision making process.

Unfortunately OpenOffice.org is incompatible with the systems we use
at work every day. This frustrates me, but that frustration is
tempered with the knowledge that we have hundreds of quite chunky
boxes powering the Enterprise that are all running Linux :D

> There are lots of areas where OOo is genuinely better, in terms of
> functionality, as well as being free (in the cash sense). Actually, it's not
> quite Free in the OpenSource sense, if you read the Sun licence carefully
> :-)
>

Indeed. The Linux Kernel isn't/wasn't properly free software until
very recently.

http://webmink.com/2010/08/30/gnulinux-finally-its-free-software/

> This over-the-top, "why the f would you" stuff is actually DRIVING
> PEOPLE AWAY FROM LINUX.
>

+1

> If I ran for Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Division, then I'd pay people to join
> LUG lists and post nasty comments about MS to make people feel that the
> Linux community were nutters :-)
>

I suspect they do this already! :D

Cheers,
Al.

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[ubuntu-uk] MS vs. OO

[Mark Harrison]

> From: Jacob Mansfield 
> of corse you can do it in OO, why the f**k would you want to use M$


Couple of things:

1: I've not used MS Office for about 5 years now, however the one time I
needed to was in 2007 for a really complex mailmerge, which is one area
where MSO is still better than OOo :-(

There are lots of areas where OOo is genuinely better, in terms of
functionality, as well as being free (in the cash sense). Actually, it's not
quite Free in the OpenSource sense, if you read the Sun licence carefully
:-)


2: I'm not sure you CAN do this in OOo - ie, create a link in a spreadsheet
that then creates a pre-populated document in Writer. This wasn't a question
about mailmerge, but about how to achieve a particular task. To be fair, I
don't think that mailmerge in MSO is the right answer either, but given the
user in question feels that mailmerge is too complex, I'm guessing that
telling them that it needs about 20 lines of VBA macros probably isn't going
to work either :-)


3: If you asked a question about OOo, and someone replied "MSO can do this,
why the f*** would you use OpenOffice instead", would you:

A: Feel that the respondent had a good point, and you should go out and try
MS Office.

B: Feel that the respondent was a jerk, and that you wanted to steer clear
of the kinds of things he was recommending.



The reason I bring this up is that I had a meeting with the IT Director of a
FTSE 100 company a couple of years ago, and that one of the things that came
up was OpenOffice as a possible replacement for MSO.

The reply I got was "This is like Linux. I'm fed up of Linux people. They
come in and want to have a religious conversation. I want to have a business
conversation."


This over-the-top, "why the f would you" stuff is actually DRIVING
PEOPLE AWAY FROM LINUX.


If I ran for Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Division, then I'd pay people to join
LUG lists and post nasty comments about MS to make people feel that the
Linux community were nutters :-)


So, thanks for harming the spread of Free software.


Mark
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Wubi on a dual partition machine

[Glen Mehn]

  On 15/09/10 07:30, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> what's that ment to do
>
Hi Jacob,

That should, I assume, bring up the boot menu, which means you should be 
able to boot to a USB stick.

The thing is, when you run via WUBI, you run in a container on an NTFS 
filesystem. That may sound like gobbledygook, but what it means is that 
linux will have no control over the fragmentation (are all the bits of 
the files in the same place on the disk) and you may suffer some 
performance limitations. Wubi's a good solution, but there's no way from 
within Wubi to directly install linux (someone shout if I'm wrong).

I think if you get a linux install from, say, pendrivelinux, and then 
use the f12 as suggested by Tommy, you'll be able to reinstall over your 
Windows 7, which is what you suggested you wanted to do.

Glen

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