Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss
HA Urdu! Hey i can follow the Urdu instructions...although not a great fan of the font! On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: On 19/10/10 21:29, Barry Drake wrote: On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:47 +0100, pmgazz wrote: Totally agree, takes a fraction of the time and botheration 95% of the time. That's my experience exactly! I've installed various incarnations of Windows and it's been a real pain! Compared to that, Ubuntu is just S simple. My biggest annoyance with Windows was it's propensity to give you a two minute countdown and then it will re-boot to install the latest goodies. I often left videos rendering overnight imagine my anger when that nice Mr. Gates had made my machine re-boot without my intervention!!! He wasted hours of my computer time!!! Hmmm, I've not had that myself, on XP it would pop up with the annoying message asking to reboot every 15 minutes or so but on Vista and Windows 7 you get the option to postpone the reboot and make the message go away for a few hours. If you don't click on anything it just sits there. On the other hand, at work we use XP and install stuff using SMS and some things are configured to reboot automatically 5 minutes after installing. I don't have anything against Windows, but I really find Ubuntu slicker and easier in so many ways even for a non-geek. I agree, I much prefer Ubuntu now. 10.10 looks lovely, and now I'm finally getting used to the window controls moving (so much in fact it seems like they're in the wrong place on Windows now!). Oh and Ubuntu has earnt some more brownie points this evening. It turns out my server (P4 3Ghz with 2 x IDE and 2 x SATA hard drives in it) died. Not sure whats wrong with it, possibly duff PSU. I needed to get it up and running quickly so I dropped the hard drives in an Athlon X2 PC booted them up and after a long drawn out fsck (due to fsck not being run for ages) the server came up fine. I've not had it that easy with Windows. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Regards Javad -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Release Party Photos
I've just got around to putting some pics from our ICT for Resilience workshop on Facebook - which was basically an Ubuntu installation, tour and maintenance basics workshop: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fossbox/246451092550#!/album.php?aid=237905id=246451092550 The Lottery funded us to advocate and train the voluntary sector to use more FOSS. It wasn't the usual install fest/party but people said it was a lot of fun and they'll pass it on in their organisations. Paula Original Message Subject:[ubuntu-uk] Release Party Photos Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 13:08:25 +0100 From: Alan Pope a...@popey.com Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Hi, If anyone is going to any Ubuntu release parties over the weekend (and beyond) please do take pictures! If you have some good ones you'd like to share I'm sure we'd all like to see them. I know the Ubuntu News team are interested in pics too! Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LTS or Latest Version??
On 20 October 2010 06:58, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 20/10/10 00:07, Chris Coulson wrote: Well, the LTS *will* get a new version of Firefox in the future (once 3.6 is end-of-life), although it will most likely skip 4.0. Regards Chris no, don't think 10.04 LTS will get a new version of Firefox, however if you install 10.04 you will be able to stick with it and upgrade to 12.04 LTS without going through the intermediate steps, and 12.04 will have shiny new versions of stuff when it comes out. Alan. And if you *really* want a newer version, you could look into enabling the '-backports' repository, which will get a newer version of packages like firefox. It means that the LTS installation ends up *slightly* less stable than normal, but more stable than the 6-monthly release. Cofion/Regards, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Support - Where are we in the real world
Well, this thread was a total waste of time. All this crap about help, willingness, is a load of bollocks. Your just a nasty group of people. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Canon Pixma Printer - MP480
Just in case anyone missed this. There had been an issue with no specific Linux driver being available for this popular model of multi-function printer. A workaround was posted in Ubuntu Forums on August 2010 (which I missed) using drivers for the MP490. I now have my MP480 printing from my Ubuntu notebook (via an XP server). http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1166715highlight=mp480 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Support - Where are we in the real world
On 20 October 2010 10:42, jakewc2 jake...@sky.com wrote: Well, this thread was a total waste of time. All this crap about help, willingness, is a load of bollocks. Your just a nasty group of people. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Well I was going to help you on IRC and then you went and told everyone to F OFF, I am at work as are a lot of people on the IRC channel we can't just drop everything to help people. I think you are very rude and the way you have spoken to people over the last 2 days no wonder you are not getting any help. People don't do this for fun you know and not everyone knows the answer to your questions. Be patient if you want help, but I think you have gone to far for some people now. Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Support - Where are we in the real world
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:42 +0100, jakewc2 wrote: Well, this thread was a total waste of time. All this crap about help, willingness, is a load of bollocks. Your just a nasty group of people. Indeed we are! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh_gaaUiNs8 Tyler -- Cheops' Law: Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget. -- Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love, by Robert A. Heinlein -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Support - Where are we in the real world
On 20 October 2010 10:46, Andy Partington andy.parting...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 October 2010 10:42, jakewc2 jake...@sky.com wrote: Well, this thread was a total waste of time. All this crap about help, willingness, is a load of bollocks. Your just a nasty group of people. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Well I was going to help you on IRC and then you went and told everyone to F OFF, I am at work as are a lot of people on the IRC channel we can't just drop everything to help people. I think you are very rude and the way you have spoken to people over the last 2 days no wonder you are not getting any help. People don't do this for fun you know and not everyone knows the answer to your questions. Be patient if you want help, but I think you have gone to far for some people now. Andy Yeh right, you think that is rude, I kept my tongue, it could have been much worse, much worse. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Support - Where are we in the real world
Be patient if you want help, but I think you have gone to far for some people now. Andy Yeh right, you think that is rude, I kept my tongue, it could have been much worse, much worse. Well I'm glad that you didn't get help then and I will not help you on here either. There is no need for it. If you keep it up I expect you will get banned, people on IRC are there to socialize as well as help and full of all age groups. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Support - Where are we in the real world
Yeh right, you think that is rude, I kept my tongue, it could have been much worse, much worse. I think that's probably enough, Mr Matthews. The people on this list have demonstrated superhuman patience and understanding when dealing with you, and have received nothing but abuse in return. It is your own attitude that is preventing you from receiving help, and if you can't understand this and tone down the rudeness and the sense of entitlement, you should probably just leave. jim -- Jim Cameron Software Engineer Buhler Sortex Limited Research and Development Department 20 Atlantis Avenue London E16 2BF Registered in England No. 434274 T +44(0)20 7055 7607 F +44(0)20 7055 7701 Mail to: jim.came...@buhlersortex.com www.buhlersortex.com This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential, may be legally privileged and is designated exclusively for the intended recipient. Access by any other person is not authorised. Any disclosure of this e-mail or of names of persons mentioned therein as well as any storing, copying, distribution and dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail and notify the sender by phone or by e-mail. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Support - Where are we in the real world
dont worry about it, I got the message loud and clear. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Find a Router's IP address
Hi, The simplest way would be to traceroute (tracert on wintel) to a web server. Assumming that the router is also the gateway, look for the last IP address in your network range, Bingo. Failing that connect to the router directly - Ethernet/Wifi - the traceroute to a server/IP, the first IP address should be the router. Good luck with the admin UN/PW Chris-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Find a Router's IP address
Hi The scenario is as follow: 1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan 2. You do NOT have any documentation from the previous Admin 3. You find a router / WiFi Router that is in use and therefore you can NOT reset it 4.v This router is a home / consumer router like Netgear, Linksys, etc. So not an enterprise router 5. You need to brows to the routers config web page to make some changes (you assume the default admin and password for the router) BUT you do NOT know the IP address 6. You know the router is NOT a DHCP server Now the question is HOW do you find the IP address of the router ??? ___ - - __ Thanx all for the response If it was the only router / WiFi then it would have been easy but there are multiple routers / WiFi access points AND a firewall router (this one is sorted) but the others I have to check and make sure there are no IP conflicts, change the PSK and so on and so on. I will look into Kismet, (know about wire shark), nmap, netstat... I also found: nagios - http://wiki.contribs.org/Nagios OCS - http://wiki.contribs.org/OCS_Inventory_Tools I know these come into the SME server project but do any of you know about these?? thanx -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Find a Router's IP address
On 20 October 2010 11:08, Cornelius Mostert corneliusmost...@gmail.comwrote: Hi The scenario is as follow: 1. You have permission to work as Admin on a Lan 2. You do NOT have any documentation from the previous Admin 3. You find a router / WiFi Router that is in use and therefore you can NOT reset it 4.v This router is a home / consumer router like Netgear, Linksys, etc. So not an enterprise router 5. You need to brows to the routers config web page to make some changes (you assume the default admin and password for the router) BUT you do NOT know the IP address 6. You know the router is NOT a DHCP server Now the question is HOW do you find the IP address of the router ??? ___ - - __ Thanx all for the response If it was the only router / WiFi then it would have been easy but there are multiple routers / WiFi access points AND a firewall router (this one is sorted) but the others I have to check and make sure there are no IP conflicts, change the PSK and so on and so on. I will look into Kismet, (know about wire shark), nmap, netstat... I also found: nagios - http://wiki.contribs.org/Nagios OCS - http://wiki.contribs.org/OCS_Inventory_Tools I know these come into the SME server project but do any of you know about these?? thanx -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ I use Nagios at work on a CentOS install, the company I work for use SME ( God it's horrible ) but it's also based on CentOS so you can work your way round it. Feel free to fire questions at me, guys in #nagios on Freenode are very helpful I've found as well. Looked at OCS but not used it in anger yet I'm afraid. Cheers Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Find a Router's IP address
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Andy Partington andy.parting...@gmail.com wrote: I use Nagios at work on a CentOS install, the company I work for use SME ( God it's horrible ) but it's also based on CentOS so you can work your way round it. Feel free to fire questions at me, guys in #nagios on Freenode are very helpful I've found as well. Looked at OCS but not used it in anger yet I'm afraid. Nagios is a fantastic tool for monitoring machine states. You can capture and get reporting on almost anything regarding service states and uptime/downtime, configure for SMS and email alerts, report on SNMP and WMI data, etc The project has recently been forked, and Icinga (http://icinga.org) is looking very promising too. We actively use Nagios and offer hosted instances for some of our clients - our fully managed clients are monitored using Nagios by default. That way we usually know about issues before our clients do (low disk space on servers, stopped services, loss of connectivity, etc). I used to use OCS at my previous employer - again it's very feature rich and works best in conjunction with GLPI as a ticketing system. Great for producing ad-hoc reports on hardware, checking specs, and installed software and service pack versions without leaving your desk :) Definitely worth a look. Oh and for nmap, to identify hardware/OS by vendor, the command would be nmap -T4 -A 192.168.1.0/24 If it's a large subnet and you'd like greppable output it would be: nmap -T4 -A -oG scan.txt 192.168.1.0/24 Hope this helps P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Support - Where are we in the real world
On 20 October 2010 10:42, jakewc2 jake...@sky.com wrote: Well, this thread was a total waste of time. All this crap about help, willingness, is a load of bollocks. Your just a nasty group of people. I seem to remember we helped you out ok with your problem using an unstable version of Chrome which could not access www.petsathome.com Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] how to's is this useful to someone
Hi I have created a quick how to, in order to explain how to take a few photos and print these on 1 sheet of paper, using gthumb, http://www.zleap.net/how-to/howto.htm I am using 10.04 but I am guessing the procedure is the same for 10.10 the above links to the work in progress, I think its more wording and text that needs sorting out. anyway, feel free to use the above, I have asked on #ubuntu-manual but was told that its too specific, I am fine with this, but want to share anyway as it may be useful. Paul -- 23rd October - Exwick Community Centre 14:00 6th November - Paignton Library 13:30 start 17th September 2011 - Software freedom day -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LTS or Latest Version??
On 20 Oct 2010, at 12:54, Chris Coulson wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 06:58 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: On 20/10/10 00:07, Chris Coulson wrote: Well, the LTS *will* get a new version of Firefox in the future (once 3.6 is end-of-life), although it will most likely skip 4.0. Regards Chris no, don't think 10.04 LTS will get a new version of Firefox, however if you install 10.04 you will be able to stick with it and upgrade to 12.04 LTS without going through the intermediate steps, and 12.04 will have shiny new versions of stuff when it comes out. Alan. That's not quite right. Being the maintainer, I can assure you that Lucid will not be staying on version 3.6 of Firefox forever. Regards Chris While Chris is right I think it only clouds the issue. The general rule is that once a release is official the only changes are bug fixes. Firefox is one of the exceptions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions Generally if you want newer versions of packages you need to enable Backports https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LTS or Latest Version??
On 20 October 2010 00:07, Chris Coulson chrisccoul...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 23:58 +0100, Matthew Wild wrote: On 19 October 2010 23:32, Tony Doherty tony.dohe...@zen.co.uk wrote: I am always keen to update to the latest releases of Ubuntu. However, can I ask - if I were to stick with a LTS version such as 10.4 long term - would this version eventually receive updates to upgrade to the latest versions of, say, FireFox and OpenOffice when they become available? Generally no. The software versions stay as they are when that version of Ubuntu was released. The only updates are to fix bugs. Sometimes this means updating to a new bugfix release of given software, sometimes it means Ubuntu manually applying bugfixes in their packages. Well, the LTS *will* get a new version of Firefox in the future (once 3.6 is end-of-life), although it will most likely skip 4.0. Exactly why I qualified my no with generally and linked to the SRU wiki page for the further curious ;) Matthew -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release Party Photos
Hardly a party, but we had fun! Met a few Linux users and told them about our LUG meetings, met a few people who were thinking about taking the plunge with Ubuntu so were happy to try it out. Met a fellow Ubuntu-UK member who let me play with his OLPC (thanks Alan!). And thanks to Popey who inspired our poster. :) http://museumofcomputing.org.uk/gallery/category/8 Dianne -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release Party Photos
On 20/10/10 16:36, Dianne Reuby wrote: Hardly a party, but we had fun! Met a few Linux users and told them about our LUG meetings, met a few people who were thinking about taking the plunge with Ubuntu so were happy to try it out. Met a fellow Ubuntu-UK member who let me play with his OLPC (thanks Alan!). And thanks to Popey who inspired our poster. :) http://museumofcomputing.org.uk/gallery/category/8 Dianne Looks good. I wish I could have made it, alas I've been so busy. If things work out down here in Devon we might be able to have a release party for 11.04 in April. I guess we don't need much, maybe a couple of PCs to demonstrate Ubuntu and some refreshments, CDs etc and maybe a follow up event to help folks install Ubuntu. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Support - Where are we in the real world
On 20/10/10 10:42, jakewc2 wrote: Well, this thread was a total waste of time. All this crap about help, willingness, is a load of bollocks. Your just a nasty group of people. Well having got in from work and looked through my IRC scrollback it would appear that you got all abusive and earned yourself a ban from the channel in less than an hour, during which time you *were* being helped and your initial networking issue was solved (albeit by plugging the wire in correctly). People come and go on the channel and you were requested to be patient. If you had waited, maybe provided more information someone else would have come along who knew a bit more about what it was you were trying to do and would have been able to help you further. I don't want to turn this into a long argumentative and ultimately pointless thread, but I would invite you to look through the logs for today, all of it, including the bit you were in and see what normally happens in the channel. http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2010/10/20/%23ubuntu-uk.html Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] apache not correctly running php scripts
I am trying to install squirrelmail onto my new mail server, however it appears that Apache is not running the server-side php scripts as when I try to open the squirrelmail page FireFox reports that the file will be downloaded as it's mime type is application/x-httpd-suphp if i open the downloaded file I can see that none of the php has been phrased is is clearly visible, which it should not be. I'd like some help on this one as I'm a web developer not a mail server admin Jacob Mansfield Programmer -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Hi Everybody. It is my pleasure to join the UKubuntu community. Looking forward to learn more about ubuntu. Regards -- Pottar Muzamba 4 Northlands Roads, Totton Southampton, Hampshire England SO40 3GZ Mobile: +44(0)7775039110 Email: pott...@gmail.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apache not correctly running php scripts
On 20/10/10 22:29, Jacob Mansfield wrote: I am trying to install squirrelmail onto my new mail server, however it appears that Apache is not running the server-side php scripts as when I try to open the squirrelmail page FireFox reports that the file will be downloaded as it's mime type is application/x-httpd-suphp if i open the downloaded file I can see that none of the php has been phrased is is clearly visible, which it should not be. I'd like some help on this one as I'm a web developer not a mail server admin Does your server have the relevant apache php modules installed? When I want to have Apache+Php+MySQL I just install the whole shebang with: sudo tasksel install lamp-server It sounds like Apache hasn't been configured to use php. just a quick note as it's late but hope it helps. Al -- The Open Learning Centre http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
