Re: [ubuntu-uk] Want to create an advert for Ubuntu?
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 22:14 +, alan c wrote: On 07/12/10 20:19, gazz wrote: Wish I could - was intending to help out with the Wordpress site on Friday but just got sandbagged with 2 meetings on Friday :( Nice to be so much in demand! Maybe drop in sometimes to tell some stories about Ubuntu in the real world? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user It's nice to put faces to names when I can but Berkshire's a bit out of my usual path :) Maybe the Ubuntu crimbo 'do'? attachment: face-smile.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Want to create an advert for Ubuntu?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9
[5] it reads and writes all Microsoft files and anything from any Windows or Mac program. A genuine question here. A lot of MS Office files include large numbers of embedded macros. Is there something that will run these reliably? I realise that in some industries this is a wider issue than others, but in some industries, VBA macros are the way things are done industry-wide, not just company wide! M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Want to create an advert for Ubuntu?
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Will Bickerstaff will.bickerst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: I have no idea what FruitLoops is. AutoCAD I can believe would be difficult, but then, the only way to open an AutoCAD file is to have a copy of AutoCAD, isn't it? IOW, 99.99% of Windows PCs can't open AutoCAD files anyway. FruitLoops is a virtual studio. Ah, right. But in general, is this a file format that is only openable by the app that created it? There are lots of those, and in their case, /no/ OS can open those files with an app that is included out-of-the-box, can it? No you don't need AutoCAD to open AutoCAD files on windows, there are plenty of alternatives for windows users progeCAD Smart http://www.progesoft.com/en/smart-2009 DoubleCAD XT http://www.doublecad.com/Products/DoubleCADXTv3/tabid/1100/Default.aspx to name a couple are freely available for personal use and are pretty feature rich drafting apps. For viewing there are literally hundreds of free capable applications (AutoCADs own trueview is freely available). For linux I have yet to find anything freely available that can open a native AutoCAD dwg file and display it anything like correctly. AutoCAD is the sole reason I still have XP in a VM. OK, fair enough. That's not good to hear. ISTR easily enough finding something freeware to open DXGs for a client of mine (on Windows, natch), years ago. I thought this would be true for Linux, too. Do any of these freeware apps run acceptably under WINE? I agree, we need to be honest. Theres no point saying 100% compatible when it isn't. Obviusly don't make an ad that says Linux sucks for architects and studios. Just make noise about what it's good at. I think an ad just needs to make people aware of the OS and how to go find out if it will work for them. IMHO ad about free (for life), security (but don't say virus free), performance, and community - people are loving anything social at the moment. Advertising means two things, I submit. [1] Selling things to people who don't really care. In other words, being pushy and in-your-face, because for the most part, if you aren't, you won't sell. [2] Going up against all the /other/ adverts out there, competing for people's attention when they don't really want to give it to you. Specifically, against other adverts for rival products. The particular import of #2 here is that we're going up against MS, and it lies all the time. http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS5294337662.html http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-kills-its-get-the-facts-anti-linux-site/670 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10145332-16.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/09/09/ms_linux_obsession_time/ It is not lying to say that Linux is immune to viruses. If you want to be more pedantic, say that it is immune to all /Windows/ viruses and spyware, which is absolutely true, because out of the box, Ubuntu can't run any Windows programs at all, nor document-based macro viruses. Furthermore, exploits such as attacking flawed image decode routines (e.g. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-026.mspx) or that target Windows components (e.g. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/295534) are also completely ineffective against Linux. This stuff is *important*. It is one of the single biggest competitive strengths of Linux over Windows, IMHO. We need to shout about it. /Linux can't run Windows programs./ This is a weakness (there are far more Windows apps, *vastly* more commercial ones, and in many cases, they are of higher quality; there are also far more Windows drivers and hardware-support tools) but it can also be a *strength* (all Windows malware is ineffective against Linux, even Trojans and social-engineering attacks such as popups that try to persuade people to install things). Ordinary users don't know what an operating system is, nor do they know what a document file is or an application program or a dot-exe or a binary or an executable. But they do have a vague idea what apps are, and programs, we can tell them that they get thousands for free, that they can read the stuff from their friends' computers and their work computers, alter it and send it back and it will still work. This is fair, honest and true. These are absolutely key facts and we need to shout them from the rooftops, not um and ahh and hedge around the subject with mealy-mouthed half-assed excuses like well, most files can be read, if you find a suitable program and install it, or we think it's mostly secure against most viruses, so far, but it might not stay that way. Any advertising containing arse-covering whimpers like that is guaranteed to be useless crap. It won't sell anything to anyone. Sorry for the direct language, but it had to be said. -- Liam Proven • Info profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44
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somebody wanna flame this guy, I'm too tired http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ubuntu-10-10-Latest-Desktop-Netbook-Server-Ed-/110614591450?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SRhash=item19c124b7da Jacob Mansfield Programmer -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 08/12/10 20:36, Jacob Mansfield wrote: somebody wanna flame this guy, I'm too tired http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ubuntu-10-10-Latest-Desktop-Netbook-Server-Ed-/110614591450?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SRhash=item19c124b7da http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ubuntu-10-10-Latest-Desktop-Netbook-Server-Ed-/110614591450?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SRhash=item19c124b7da Jacob Mansfield Programmer let the free market sort it out. The seller is perfectly entitled to charge for the service of downloading, burning and posting a CD to someone. That is how Richard Stallman started out selling tapes of Emacs (Emacs being Free Software, getting it posted to you on a tape being $100). Whether or not someone perhaps on dialup feels it is worth a few quid to get a CD is up to them. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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I thought the GPL specified that it had to be distributed freely? Jacob Mansfield Programmer -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 08/12/10 20:36, Jacob Mansfield wrote: somebody wanna flame this guy, I'm too tired http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ubuntu-10-10-Latest-Desktop-Netbook-Server-Ed-/110614591450?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SRhash=item19c124b7da http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ubuntu-10-10-Latest-Desktop-Netbook-Server-Ed-/110614591450?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SRhash=item19c124b7da Jacob Mansfield Programmer Why? He's perfectly within his rights to sell copies of Ubuntu. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney If anything it might be considered handy for those folks who say are on slow broadband (or dialup connections) or those with low download allowances who don't have easy access to someone who can download it and burn it on to CD for them. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 8 December 2010 21:01, Jacob Mansfield cyberja...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the GPL specified that it had to be distributed freely? Jacob Mansfield Programmer Nope. You can charge whatever you like for GPL software. You just have to give away the source when you sell it. That way, the market finds the acceptable price, since anyone can buy it from you and then undercut you if they can use the source to make the same product. Cofion/Regards, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 08/12/10 21:01, Jacob Mansfield wrote: I thought the GPL specified that it had to be distributed freely? Jacob Mansfield Programmer nope. Go read it, it is an interesting and readable document. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Also, http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=17 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] (no subject)
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Alan Bell alan.b...@theopenlearningcentre.com wrote: On 08/12/10 21:01, Jacob Mansfield wrote: I thought the GPL specified that it had to be distributed freely? Jacob Mansfield Programmer nope. Go read it, it is an interesting and readable document. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html The FAQ confused me a bit 'coz from ancient memory, the maximum allowable charge is something like US$6. Anyway, I think it's OK for someone to buy from Canonical at http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=17 then resell them, just like anything else. My 2p, -- Alvin Chang -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] (no subject)
On 08/12/10 21:01, Jacob Mansfield wrote: I thought the GPL specified that it had to be distributed freely? Freely yes. freely no. Free as in freedom not [necessarily] as in gratis. Al -- The Open Learning Centre http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
