Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com
On Fri, 06 May 2011 22:27:21 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: snip they might not support Linux, but then again they don't support Windows or Mac either really! They just give you an IP address and connect you to the internet, and optionally you can use their mail servers over standard protocols that are older than Windows and work perfectly fine on Ubuntu. Alan. Slightly related rant, what really grinds my gears are ISP who send you a CD and say you MUST install this software to use the internet, and then poor naive people do so, cluttering up their system and having an awful, ugly IE with about 5 rows of toolbars for everything... I say to them, 'when I visit you with my Linux netbook, I just enter the wireless code and I'm on the Internet...I don't need to install all that crap'. But then the annoying buggers think I'm being smart and they install the software anyway. Well screw you and have fun with your cluttered slow system. -- Jon Reynolds (j0nr) http://www.jcrdevelopments.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com
On 10/05/2011 08:02, Jon Reynolds wrote: On Fri, 06 May 2011 22:27:21 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: snip they might not support Linux, but then again they don't support Windows or Mac either really! They just give you an IP address and connect you to the internet, and optionally you can use their mail servers over standard protocols that are older than Windows and work perfectly fine on Ubuntu. Alan. Slightly related rant, what really grinds my gears are ISP who send you a CD and say you MUST install this software to use the internet, and then poor naive people do so, cluttering up their system and having an awful, ugly IE with about 5 rows of toolbars for everything... I say to them, 'when I visit you with my Linux netbook, I just enter the wireless code and I'm on the Internet...I don't need to install all that crap'. But then the annoying buggers think I'm being smart and they install the software anyway. Well screw you and have fun with your cluttered slow system. Eh? I am on BT Internet and neither have I used their CD, nor have they installed it anyway. How can they install it anyway if you don't let them? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com
On Tue, 10 May 2011 08:06:27 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 10/05/2011 08:02, Jon Reynolds wrote: Eh? I am on BT Internet and neither have I used their CD, nor have they installed it anyway. How can they install it anyway if you don't let them? 'They' are the owners of the computer, not BT; if that's what is confusing. They also get emails from BT saying to install the latest this and that, I glance at it and say, you don't HAVE to install that, but they do anyway. I guess some people, who are not so computer savvy, just like to follow orders. I'm just getting at, even in their face, I show them that I can connect to their internet by simply typing in the wifi code or even just connecting an ethernet cable without the need for ANY of BT's software, they still think they (or BT) know better and blindly install everything BT throws at them. -- Jon Reynolds (j0nr) http://www.jcrdevelopments.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com
On 10/05/2011 08:15, Jon Reynolds wrote: On Tue, 10 May 2011 08:06:27 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 10/05/2011 08:02, Jon Reynolds wrote: Eh? I am on BT Internet and neither have I used their CD, nor have they installed it anyway. How can they install it anyway if you don't let them? 'They' are the owners of the computer, not BT; if that's what is confusing. They also get emails from BT saying to install the latest this and that, I glance at it and say, you don't HAVE to install that, but they do anyway. I guess some people, who are not so computer savvy, just like to follow orders. I'm just getting at, even in their face, I show them that I can connect to their internet by simply typing in the wifi code or even just connecting an ethernet cable without the need for ANY of BT's software, they still think they (or BT) know better and blindly install everything BT throws at them. Oh right. I understand the frustration -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com
I throw them a virus from my `telnet mail.btinternet.com 25` Jacob Mansfield Programmer CyberKing Solutions™ www.cyberkingsolutions.co.uk - I do know the database is down Air conditioned environment - do not open windows! Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1-Jacob1 GCM/CS/CC/E/ED/MC/S/AT/! d++(---) s-: a---? C UL$++()$ P(+) L$+++()$ E(?) W+++$ N(?)+ o k(+/++) w---()$ O? M(+)$ V? PS(+) PE Y(+) PGP(+/++) t(+) 5?+ X+ R(?) tv+ b++(+++) DI(+) D G(++) e-(*) h!-- !r y(--)+$ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- On 10 May 2011 08:40, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/05/2011 08:15, Jon Reynolds wrote: On Tue, 10 May 2011 08:06:27 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 10/05/2011 08:02, Jon Reynolds wrote: Eh? I am on BT Internet and neither have I used their CD, nor have they installed it anyway. How can they install it anyway if you don't let them? 'They' are the owners of the computer, not BT; if that's what is confusing. They also get emails from BT saying to install the latest this and that, I glance at it and say, you don't HAVE to install that, but they do anyway. I guess some people, who are not so computer savvy, just like to follow orders. I'm just getting at, even in their face, I show them that I can connect to their internet by simply typing in the wifi code or even just connecting an ethernet cable without the need for ANY of BT's software, they still think they (or BT) know better and blindly install everything BT throws at them. Oh right. I understand the frustration -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
MS buys Skype - is this the end of Skype on Linux? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/digital-media/8503937/Microsoft-buys-Skype-for-8.5bn.html -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
On 10 May 2011 13:20, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: MS buys Skype - is this the end of Skype on Linux? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/digital-media/8503937/Microsoft-buys-Skype-for-8.5bn.html I cant see why. If they mess around with the protocol then all they would do is start to loose many paying customers for Skype that use Linux. As Microsoft look to do more things on the web they have been making them more friendly to systems other than their own. If they do something to restrict users then they will have less customers and something else may be adopted as a Skype replacement. Thank you -- John Stevenson http://uk.linkedin.com/in/johnstevenson247 | @JR0ckethttp://http//twitter.com/#%21/JR0cket | JR0cket.co.uk http://jr0cket.co.uk/ | JR0cket.com http://jr0cket.com/ | LeanAgileMachine.com http://leanagilemachine.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
the other question to ask is, is this the end of skype? The already have text, voice and video available of MS Live Messenger So why not just buy the company and tear it to bits? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
Dan Attwood wrote: The already have text, voice and video available of MS Live Messenger So why not just buy the company and tear it to bits? Because Skype is approximately synonymous with VoIP to most people - there's no sense getting rid of all that good brand at all, especially now it's not even a competitor. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
On 10/05/2011 13:33, Dan Attwood wrote: the other question to ask is, is this the end of skype? The already have text, voice and video available of MS Live Messenger So why not just buy the company and tear it to bits? One commentator has suggested they've done it for the subscriber list and not for the technology... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 13:42 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: One commentator has suggested they've done it for the subscriber list and not for the technology... Ridiculous. Skype's ability to pierce all forms of NAT and firewall puts it miles ahead of MSN. On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 13:33 +0100, Dan Attwood wrote: So why not just buy the company and tear it to bits? Because publicly-traded companies don't do that to profitable companies with valuable technology. It doesn't increase shareholder value. It's easy to assume everything MS does is evil, and specifically bad for Linux users. They are no friend of ours, clearly, but that doesn't translate to making bad business decisions out of spite. Regards, Tyler -- Cheops' Law: Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget. -- Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love, by Robert A. Heinlein -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Has anyone got 5.1 audio working from the rear jacks of a Nvidia ION board in 10.10?
I've been trying to get my 5.1 headset to work in Ubuntu. I get stereo on the headset fine but can't get it to put out 5.1 sound. I've a Nvidia ION board (Zotec IONITX-F-E) In XP the audio jacks work fine giving me 5.1 sound when i use my 5.1 headset. But in Ubuntu 10.10 i only get left right outputs. I've started a thread in Ubuntu Forums http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10796147#post10796147 Lot's of people having problems with 5. audio via HDMI cable but none with rear sound jacks. Anyone got any ideas to try?? -- Regards Bill Cumming Twitter: @s0l_uk Skype: s0litaire eMail: b...@s0l.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
On 10 May 2011 14:09, Tyler J. Wagner ty...@tolaris.com wrote: Because publicly-traded companies don't do that to profitable companies with valuable technology. It doesn't increase shareholder value. Skype is $600+ million in debt and and last year lost $7m more. I wouldn't call that profitable. Even though it works reasonably well, Linux Skype client is lagging Windows and hardly gets regular updates. An MS ownership will definitely be the last nail in the coffin. -- Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
I don't believe at all that this is the end of the linux client! Microsoft are a huge concern who are out to make money. I believe they see there own failings in the VOIP world and like most other companies where technology is short they buy in from outside. I see this as a positive step and coming from me a MAC and Linux user and a prominent hater of the beast that is Microsoft says a lot. Develop the product make it more open thats the way forward! Skype as you all know is just one of the many VOIP/SIP providers out there this just means it will make the competition work harder and show what is possible with free software. Mike On 10 May 2011 13:20, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: MS buys Skype - is this the end of Skype on Linux? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/digital-media/8503937/Microsoft-buys-Skype-for-8.5bn.html -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com
Just re-iterating Colin well picked up! :) On 10 May 2011 15:38, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10 May 2011 15:18, Mike Paglia mike.pag...@gmail.com wrote: You do NOT need any CD to connect to a mail server or any Internet service all Internet protocols are open. The CD just Brands a windows based PC to the provider you are with. Make sure in your mail server settings that you have a valid POP3 or SMTP server for BT. Nobody said you do, that is the whole point of this thread. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
On 10 May 2011 15:08, Mike Paglia mike.pag...@gmail.com wrote: I don't believe at all that this is the end of the linux client! Does this mean MS will be making software for Linux? Does this mean Linus wins? What does this mean for Linux??!eleven “If Microsoft ever does applications for Linux it means I've won.” - Linus Torvalds Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
J Fernyhough wrote: Does this mean MS will be making software for Linux? Does this mean Linus wins? What does this mean for Linux??!eleven Did those Hyper-V modules ever make it into the mainline kernel? -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
On 10 May 2011 16:05, Avi Greenbury li...@avi.co wrote: J Fernyhough wrote: Does this mean MS will be making software for Linux? Does this mean Linus wins? What does this mean for Linux??!eleven Did those Hyper-V modules ever make it into the mainline kernel? I am not entirely sure they exist in the mainstream kernel. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. T. 0845 004 2066 | M. 07728574285 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Booting to ubuntu with VM, for now -- advice needed
Hi -- so this is being typed from an Ubuntu VM under Mac OSX. I've given up the hope of dual-booting for now -- maybe I'll try again sometime later with 10.04. However, I have 8 gig RAM on my MBP, yet seem only to be able to assign less than 4 gig to my ubuntu image in VirtualBox -- I'm guessing because VirtualBox isn't clever enough to figure out that I have two modules (both report okay in Snow Leopard). Is it possible to run a VM that has access to the majority (or, potentially, all) of your processor and RAM? Is there a better tool than VirtualBox that would allow me to do this? I don't want to get too invested in this image if there's a better way to do it out there. Cheers for any all help, Doug. PS -- Sorry to any Geekuppers who have suffered a double post on this. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: Ubuntu and btinternet.com
On May 10, 2011 3:18 PM, Mike Paglia mike.pag...@gmail.com wrote: You do NOT need any CD to connect to a mail server or any Internet service all Internet protocols are open. Tell that to Skype. You can use nslookup to find a valid entry for your provider or just ask them. Does anyone actually use nslookup anymore. I thought everyone uses dig these days. Regards Jon Sent from my IPad3. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?
http://about.skype.com/press/2011/05/microsoft_to_acquire_skype.html -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
