Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click
On 07/06/2011 07:24, alan c wrote: There is an overwhelming swirl and momentum of the broader establishment which pulls (I was going to say 'sucks'...) into Microsoft products. Absolutely. there was a question in the Daily Telegraph Tech column only yesterday about opening attachments - the reply being that the questioner HAS to have either MS Word or the MS Word Viewer to open .doc or .docx attachments...to which I posted a robust reply -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world
I've been following up 7 days of this guy fighting a change to Ubuntu from Windows7. Sadly he is finding loads of contradictory messages, rants about linux, rants about mint, rants about nvidia drivers... But a very interesting read. Linux foundation is retweeting every single blogpost. -- Andrés Muñiz-Piniella -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world
Silly me forgot the link! http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/229187/30_days_withubuntu_linux.html 30 Days With Ubuntu Linux By Tony Bradley, PCWorld @TheTonyBradley On 6/8/11, Andrés Muñiz Piniella andre...@gmail.com wrote: I've been following up 7 days of this guy fighting a change to Ubuntu from Windows7. Sadly he is finding loads of contradictory messages, rants about linux, rants about mint, rants about nvidia drivers... But a very interesting read. Linux foundation is retweeting every single blogpost. -- Andrés Muñiz-Piniella -- Andrés Muñiz-Piniella -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] LAMP SERVER DISTRIBUTIONS
Hi Are there any distributions that set up a lamp server out of the box something similar to this i guess http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lamppix but lamppix is no longer maintained it needs to be EASY TO SET UP as in for non linux experts i can do stuff but prefer a menu or gui based system. either that or the documentatiobn should be well written, i am sure the old red hat distributions had a screen that allowed users to choose the type of system being installed so selecting webserver would install that, what would be ideal is being able to choose lamp server and apart from a few questions it just gets on with it. thanks paul -- Paul Sutton Cert SLPS (Open) http://www.zleap.net 17th September 2011 - Software freedom day -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LAMP SERVER DISTRIBUTIONS
On 8 June 2011 10:39, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: Are there any distributions that set up a lamp server out of the box something similar to this i guess Uhm, Ubuntu? i am sure the old red hat distributions had a screen that allowed users to choose the type of system being installed so selecting webserver would install that, what would be ideal is being able to choose lamp server and apart from a few questions it just gets on with it. Ubuntu has that too. When you install the server (or use the alternate/minimal ISO) there is a step that asks you what tasks you want to install. LAMP is one of them. Alternatively if you already have an Ubuntu server installed you can just run:- sudo tasksel install lamp-server Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LAMP SERVER DISTRIBUTIONS
On 8 June 2011 10:39, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: Hi Are there any distributions that set up a lamp server out of the box something similar to this i guess http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lamppix but lamppix is no longer maintained it needs to be EASY TO SET UP as in for non linux experts i can do stuff but prefer a menu or gui based system. either that or the documentatiobn should be well written, i am sure the old red hat distributions had a screen that allowed users to choose the type of system being installed so selecting webserver would install that, what would be ideal is being able to choose lamp server and apart from a few questions it just gets on with it. You can choose LAMP server in recent versions of Ubuntu server and then perhaps add Webmin, phpMyAdmin and other web based tools, or something like CPanel, which costs money but I think has free (cash and beer) alternatives. If it's for a regular requirement it might be worth building your own distribution. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood Is this your sanderling? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LAMP SERVER DISTRIBUTIONS
a FOSS alternative to cpanel is ISPConfig Jacob Mansfield Programmer CyberKing Solutions™ www.cyberkingsolutions.co.uk - I do know the database is down Air conditioned environment - do not open windows! Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1-Jacob1 GCM/CS/CC/E/ED/MC/S/AT/! d++(---) s-: a---? C UL$++()$ P(+) L$+++()$ E(?) W+++$ N(?)+ o k(+/++) w---()$ O? M(+)$ V? PS(+) PE Y(+) PGP(+/++) t(+) 5?+ X+ R(?) tv+ b++(+++) DI(+) D G(++) e-(*) h!-- !r y(--)+$ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
On 8 June 2011 11:00, Jon Reynolds maill...@jcrdevelopments.com wrote: My dad uses Windows and recently it completely crashed and the local computer shop said it needed reinstalling. So he lost all his programs. snip? Just maddened me a bit because he was willing to try free software... just didn't have enough willingness to learn a little bit more. Ho hum. I reformatted my parents' laptops, made Ubuntu the single OS on one, and made it the default boot in a dual-boot with Windows on the other (they needed software that wouldn't run under WINE). They had no option but to learn how to use it. I feel I should throw in a muahaha! Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LAMP SERVER DISTRIBUTIONS
I would recommend CentOS - it has an extremely simple web interface for configuration. Hth, Bodsda --Original Message-- From: Paul Sutton Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com To: Ubuntu-Uk ReplyTo: Ubuntu-Uk Subject: [ubuntu-uk] LAMP SERVER DISTRIBUTIONS Sent: 8 Jun 2011 10:39 Hi Are there any distributions that set up a lamp server out of the box something similar to this i guess http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lamppix but lamppix is no longer maintained it needs to be EASY TO SET UP as in for non linux experts i can do stuff but prefer a menu or gui based system. either that or the documentatiobn should be well written, i am sure the old red hat distributions had a screen that allowed users to choose the type of system being installed so selecting webserver would install that, what would be ideal is being able to choose lamp server and apart from a few questions it just gets on with it. thanks paul -- Paul Sutton Cert SLPS (Open) http://www.zleap.net 17th September 2011 - Software freedom day -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LAMP SERVER DISTRIBUTIONS
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 11:47 +0100, Jacob Mansfield wrote: a FOSS alternative to cpanel is ISPConfig Erm not according to ISP hosting Providers they all want Cpanel but I understand that ISPConfig is improving. Ubuntu server is fantastic. If you use the last LTS 10.04.2 then you'll get a lamp server setup in a matter of minutes. -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LAMP SERVER DISTRIBUTIONS
On 08/06/11 10:39, Paul Sutton wrote: Hi Are there any distributions that set up a lamp server out of the box something similar to this i guess http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lamppix but lamppix is no longer maintained it needs to be EASY TO SET UP as in for non linux experts i can do stuff but prefer a menu or gui based system. either that or the documentatiobn should be well written, i am sure the old red hat distributions had a screen that allowed users to choose the type of system being installed so selecting webserver would install that, what would be ideal is being able to choose lamp server and apart from a few questions it just gets on with it. Have a look at this: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/lampstack The GUI admin is done via a web browser, as you wouldn't want a GUI on a server for a long list of reasons. It's also based on Ubuntu, and there are a lot more versions than just LAMP. I'd go for the LAPP version myself, as I prefer PostgreSQL to MySQL. -- JimP -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:10 PM, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2011 11:00, Jon Reynolds maill...@jcrdevelopments.com wrote: My dad uses Windows and recently it completely crashed and the local computer shop said it needed reinstalling. So he lost all his programs. snip? Just maddened me a bit because he was willing to try free software... just didn't have enough willingness to learn a little bit more. Ho hum. I reformatted my parents' laptops, made Ubuntu the single OS on one, and made it the default boot in a dual-boot with Windows on the other (they needed software that wouldn't run under WINE). They had no option but to learn how to use it. I feel I should throw in a muahaha! Jonathon My advice to (some) who are willing to try Linux systems is to keep Windows installed, but don't make it an option in the boot menu - making it unnecessarily hard to boot into Windows has meant that some of them have been more inclined to figure out how to do XYZ in Linux rather than just boot into Windows coz I now how to do it there. Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
On 08/06/2011 16:24, Grant Sewell wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:10 PM, J Fernyhoughj.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2011 11:00, Jon Reynoldsmaill...@jcrdevelopments.com wrote: My dad uses Windows and recently it completely crashed and the local computer shop said it needed reinstalling. So he lost all his programs. snip? Just maddened me a bit because he was willing to try free software... just didn't have enough willingness to learn a little bit more. Ho hum. I reformatted my parents' laptops, made Ubuntu the single OS on one, and made it the default boot in a dual-boot with Windows on the other (they needed software that wouldn't run under WINE). They had no option but to learn how to use it. I feel I should throw in a muahaha! Jonathon My advice to (some) who are willing to try Linux systems is to keep Windows installed, but don't make it an option in the boot menu - making it unnecessarily hard to boot into Windows has meant that some of them have been more inclined to figure out how to do XYZ in Linux rather than just boot into Windows coz I now how to do it there. I think that's a bit simplistic. The major problem (IMHO) in using Linux instead of Windows for ordinary users, is the difficulty with Office 2007 and 2010 documents, which are becoming more and more Email and web browsing is dead easy - it's the incompatibilities of OOXML format documents with the Office suites available on Linux (Open Office, Libre Office and all the others) that would seem to be the problem, particularly as a) prior versions of Office are now being replaced by 2007 and 2010 in which OOXML is the default and b) it would seem to be the norm that Windows hides extensions of known file types by default now such that the average user doesn't even KNOW they are saving and opening OOXML files... For example I've just opened a docx document designed as a tri-fold brochure, in Libre Office. Because of the way Word is used, this document makes use of tables with invisible borders. On opening this even in Libre Office 3.4, the latest version, the formatting is all OVER the place. It was actually easier to re-create the document from scratch rather than to try to sort the formatting out... That to me is the main obstacle in the take up of Linux - most of the popular distros just work out of the box for most things now a days. There's not a lot of figuring out to do. The other functions that the average user uses in Windows, burning music CDs, sorting pictures etc etc are very similar and very easy to use. It's this that is the problem... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
On 8 June 2011 17:12, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: snip The major problem (IMHO) in using Linux instead of Windows for ordinary users, is the difficulty with Office 2007 and 2010 documents, which are becoming more and more Email and web browsing is dead easy - it's the incompatibilities of OOXML format documents with the Office suites available on Linux (Open Office, Libre Office and all the others) that would seem to be the problem, particularly as a) prior versions of Office are now being replaced by 2007 and 2010 in which OOXML is the default and b) it would seem to be the norm that Windows hides extensions of known file types by default now such that the average user doesn't even KNOW they are saving and opening OOXML files... Problem with OOXML is that it has incompatibilities between versions of MS Office... if MS can't make compatibility with their own products work, other people have very little chance! -Matt Daubney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
On 08/06/2011 17:25, Matthew Daubney wrote: Problem with OOXML is that it has incompatibilities between versions of MS Office... if MS can't make compatibility with their own products work, other people have very little chance! Absolutely. Plenty of posts on the MS Answers forum from people who have installed the Compatibility Pack on Office 2003 and STILL can't open OOXML documents... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 17:12 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: The major problem (IMHO) in using Linux instead of Windows for ordinary users, is the difficulty with Office 2007 and 2010 documents, which are becoming more and more Email and web browsing is dead easy - it's the incompatibilities of OOXML format documents with the Office suites available on Linux (Open Office, Libre Office and all the others) that would seem to be the problem, particularly as a) prior versions of Office are now being replaced by 2007 and 2010 in which OOXML is the default and b) it would seem to be the norm that Windows hides extensions of known file types by default now such that the average user doesn't even KNOW they are saving and opening OOXML files... that's why it's really important to keep pushing open document formats It's the incompatibility issues which are a real problem not just for ordinary users but for take up by many businesses and in local government where problems using the Open Source office apps create a huge stumbling block to their adoption. It needs political will to really change things and force the use of open formats but in the mean time we all need to keep on making the case If you haven't taken a look at it, it's worth listening to Dr Wrights talk at HLUG's open source day in March as this is exactly what he was talking about http://www.youtube.com/user/HerefordshireLUG It's also the reason why it's vital to get schools and colleges at least thinking about teaching and using FOSS and Linux as has been discussed in other posts. Sarah -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 17:12 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 08/06/2011 16:24, Grant Sewell wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:10 PM, J Fernyhoughj.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2011 11:00, Jon Reynoldsmaill...@jcrdevelopments.com wrote: My dad uses Windows and recently it completely crashed and the local computer shop said it needed reinstalling. So he lost all his programs. snip? Just maddened me a bit because he was willing to try free software... just didn't have enough willingness to learn a little bit more. Ho hum. I reformatted my parents' laptops, made Ubuntu the single OS on one, and made it the default boot in a dual-boot with Windows on the other (they needed software that wouldn't run under WINE). They had no option but to learn how to use it. I feel I should throw in a muahaha! Jonathon My advice to (some) who are willing to try Linux systems is to keep Windows installed, but don't make it an option in the boot menu - making it unnecessarily hard to boot into Windows has meant that some of them have been more inclined to figure out how to do XYZ in Linux rather than just boot into Windows coz I now how to do it there. I think that's a bit simplistic. The major problem (IMHO) in using Linux instead of Windows for ordinary users, is the difficulty with Office 2007 and 2010 documents, which are becoming more and more Email and web browsing is dead easy - it's the incompatibilities of OOXML format documents with the Office suites available on Linux (Open Office, Libre Office and all the others) that would seem to be the problem, particularly as a) prior versions of Office are now being replaced by 2007 and 2010 in which OOXML is the default and b) it would seem to be the norm that Windows hides extensions of known file types by default now such that the average user doesn't even KNOW they are saving and opening OOXML files... For example I've just opened a docx document designed as a tri-fold brochure, in Libre Office. Because of the way Word is used, this document makes use of tables with invisible borders. On opening this even in Libre Office 3.4, the latest version, the formatting is all OVER the place. It was actually easier to re-create the document from scratch rather than to try to sort the formatting out... That to me is the main obstacle in the take up of Linux - most of the popular distros just work out of the box for most things now a days. There's not a lot of figuring out to do. The other functions that the average user uses in Windows, burning music CDs, sorting pictures etc etc are very similar and very easy to use. It's this that is the problem... It might be worth mentioning at this point that MS fonts cause a lot of the format compatibility problems. (Assuming that) if you have a legal version of Ms installed or just hold a legal licence to use it you can copy the fonts from Windows to /yourhomedir/.fonts In my case, I had horrendous problems with works docs that must not have fonts changed from company standards. Thanks to Ms closed source fonts - they were all over the place when opened in OOO [Libre Office wasn't around at that time]. I followed advice and checked the legality stated on [I think] on the forums and copied the whole lot. A practical solution is to compress the whole system/fonts folder from windows, store it in your Ubuntu system somewhere convenient, when an Ms doc has a different font from the freely available downloads... open the compressed file, select font required click 'install' [trust me - it's obvios when you do it]. You'll be surprised. I do not offer this as a panacea to all compatibility problems, merely as a soloution to some of them - learned and proved from own experience. Cheers, SuprEngr. ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp
On 6 June 2011 15:57, gazz pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad as Unity - eeek! Unity is a /lot/ more like traditional GNOME 2 than GNOME 3 is. Put in the time to learn Unity. It is a pretty decent GUI, honestly. I don't understand why people are whinging so much about it. It's fine, it's just different. -- Liam Proven • Info profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
