Re: [ubuntu-uk] Format shifting vs. the Criminal Justice Act
On 3 August 2011 18:59, Jacob Mansfield wrote: > On 3 August 2011 18:54, Tony Pursell wrote: > >> >> Probably not. I.e if you have a file that you can Format Shift, that will >> be legal. Doesn't necessarily mean the only legal file formats are those >> that can be Format Shifted and it would be illegal to supply a file format >> that cannot be Format Shifted. >> > Sorry, I think I should have said: Probably not. I.e if you have a file that you can Format Shift, and you Format Shift it, that will be legal. Doesn't necessarily mean the only legal file formats are those that can be Format Shifted and it would be illegal to supply a file format that cannot be Format Shifted. In other words, it is the act of Format Shifting that I assume is being legalized. The law probably will not have anything to say about what is a legal file format or it being illegal to prevent Format Shifting. > > so studios would be restricted to using formats that can freely be > converted, i.e. without any DRM! :-D > Jacob Mansfield > Programmer > CyberKing Solutions™ > -- > Air conditioned environment - do not open windows! > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem Upgrading to 11.04 Desktop
On 3 August 2011 14:55, Jon Farmer wrote: > Hi > > It fails every time with > > Failed to fetch > http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gwibber/gwibber-service-facebook_3.0.0.1-0ubuntu3_all.deb > 403 Forbidden > > Any ideas? > > Regards > > Jon Try changing mirrors. There's an option in Software Sources (& in Synaptic) to search for & work out the fastest mirror available to you. I had to do this to install 11.04 on my notebook, but then, that was on the day of release... :¬) -- Liam Proven • Info & profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem Upgrading to 11.04 Desktop
On Aug 3, 2011 5:29 PM, "Rob Beard" wrote: > > On 03/08/11 15:33, Matthew Daubney wrote: >> Are you behind a firewall or proxy of somekind? Looks like anything >> with "facebook" in the URI get's banned :) I used to have a similar >> problem at uni when anything with the word "torrent" in it was banned. >> Made upgrading a nightmare. >> >> -Matt Daubney >> > > Last time I saw that I believe the package was being updated, I left it a bit and tried again later. > > Aha, that could well be it. Thanks. Regards Jon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Format shifting vs. the Criminal Justice Act
On 3 August 2011 18:54, Tony Pursell wrote: > > Probably not. I.e if you have a file that you can Format Shift, that will > be legal. Doesn't necessarily mean the only legal file formats are those > that can be Format Shifted and it would be illegal to supply a file format > that cannot be Format Shifted. > so studios would be restricted to using formats that can freely be converted, i.e. without any DRM! :-D Jacob Mansfield Programmer CyberKing Solutions™ -- Air conditioned environment - do not open windows! Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Format shifting vs. the Criminal Justice Act
On 3 August 2011 14:18, Andrew Oakley wrote: > Slightly off-topic, but there's been a lot of anti-Digital Rights > Management discussion on here in the past, so here goes... > > Today the government announced "sweeping" reforms of copyright law: > http://www.bis.gov.uk/news/topstories/2011/Aug/reforming-ip > > Part of that is the legalisation of format shifting; for example, making it > legal to rip a CD or DVD to an OGG file for personal use so you can play it > on your portable device. Currently that is illegal in the UK. > > As I understand it, the Criminal Justice Act in the early 1990s made it > illegal to interfere with someone pursuing a legal activity (at the time, > fox hunting; nowadays, animal experiments). > > So if the CJA makes it illegal to interfere with legal activity, and the > new copyright law makes it legal to copy stuff for personal use, does this > new law accidentally make most DRM illegal in the UK? > Probably not. I.e if you have a file that you can Format Shift, that will be legal. Doesn't necessarily mean the only legal file formats are those that can be Format Shifted and it would be illegal to supply a file format that cannot be Format Shifted > > -- > Andrew Oakley and...@aoakley.com > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Format shifting vs. the Criminal Justice Act
The main focus has been with audio cd's in the news today. They have not changed the law regrading circumventing DVD Looks like they are not going to change current rules in regards to movies, since most movies are available in multi format packs already (most current movies come in triple packs : blu-ray / DVD / digital download with a single purchase! ) which its more than the music industry does at present. We would need a "fair use" act to allow breaking DRM for personal use.. On Aug 3, 2011 2:18 PM, "Andrew Oakley" wrote: > Slightly off-topic, but there's been a lot of anti-Digital Rights Management > discussion on here in the past, so here goes... > > Today the government announced "sweeping" reforms of copyright law: > http://www.bis.gov.uk/news/topstories/2011/Aug/reforming-ip > > Part of that is the legalisation of format shifting; for example, making it > legal to rip a CD or DVD to an OGG file for personal use so you can play it > on your portable device. Currently that is illegal in the UK. > > As I understand it, the Criminal Justice Act in the early 1990s made it > illegal to interfere with someone pursuing a legal activity (at the time, > fox hunting; nowadays, animal experiments). > > So if the CJA makes it illegal to interfere with legal activity, and the new > copyright law makes it legal to copy stuff for personal use, does this new > law accidentally make most DRM illegal in the UK? > > -- > Andrew Oakley and...@aoakley.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem Upgrading to 11.04 Desktop
On 03/08/11 15:33, Matthew Daubney wrote: On 3 August 2011 14:55, Jon Farmer wrote: Hi It fails every time with Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gwibber/gwibber-service-facebook_3.0.0.1-0ubuntu3_all.deb 403 Forbidden Any ideas? Regards Jon Jon Farmer Tel 07795 118140 Are you behind a firewall or proxy of somekind? Looks like anything with "facebook" in the URI get's banned :) I used to have a similar problem at uni when anything with the word "torrent" in it was banned. Made upgrading a nightmare. -Matt Daubney Last time I saw that I believe the package was being updated, I left it a bit and tried again later. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem Upgrading to 11.04 Desktop
On 3 August 2011 14:55, Jon Farmer wrote: > Hi > > It fails every time with > > Failed to fetch > http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gwibber/gwibber-service-facebook_3.0.0.1-0ubuntu3_all.deb > 403 Forbidden > > Any ideas? > > Regards > > Jon > > Jon Farmer > Tel 07795 118140 > Are you behind a firewall or proxy of somekind? Looks like anything with "facebook" in the URI get's banned :) I used to have a similar problem at uni when anything with the word "torrent" in it was banned. Made upgrading a nightmare. -Matt Daubney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem Upgrading to 11.04 Desktop
I just accidentally clicked on the link (damned trackpad!) and it downloaded, so no problem here :) Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Problem Upgrading to 11.04 Desktop
Hi It fails every time with Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gwibber/gwibber-service-facebook_3.0.0.1-0ubuntu3_all.deb 403 Forbidden Any ideas? Regards Jon Jon Farmer Tel 07795 118140 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Format shifting vs. the Criminal Justice Act
Slightly off-topic, but there's been a lot of anti-Digital Rights Management discussion on here in the past, so here goes... Today the government announced "sweeping" reforms of copyright law: http://www.bis.gov.uk/news/topstories/2011/Aug/reforming-ip Part of that is the legalisation of format shifting; for example, making it legal to rip a CD or DVD to an OGG file for personal use so you can play it on your portable device. Currently that is illegal in the UK. As I understand it, the Criminal Justice Act in the early 1990s made it illegal to interfere with someone pursuing a legal activity (at the time, fox hunting; nowadays, animal experiments). So if the CJA makes it illegal to interfere with legal activity, and the new copyright law makes it legal to copy stuff for personal use, does this new law accidentally make most DRM illegal in the UK? -- Andrew Oakley and...@aoakley.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
