Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does AV chat work with Jabber?

[Neil Greenwood]

My day job is testing VoIP/SIP, and I've not had much luck with Empathy,
but I have more success with Linphone for A/V and Twinkle for just voice is
hard to beat for its configure-ability

Neil.

P.S. Sorry for the brevity and top-post, this is typed on my phone.

On Mar 22, 2012 11:57 PM, "James Tait"  wrote:
>
> On 22/03/12 22:16, Tony Pursell wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if Audio and Video (AV) chat works with Jabber from
>> Empathy?
>
> [snip]
>
>> However, when we tried Jabber AV chat we got no connection.  I would
>> like to show him that we can move away from Skype, especially as we can
>> expect no more Linux support for it now that Microsoft have bought them.
>>
>> I have just been trying to make a Jabber AV connection between two
>> computers at home using Empathy and that has been a failure too,
>> although I have had it working OK in the past.  Both ends just showed
>> 'Connecting' and even when I hung up both ends, my desktop computer
>> showed Pulseaudio and zeitgeist-daemon taking up to 100% of both CPU
>> cores and 80% of the 2GB ram, until I killed them both.
>>
>> What experience do other people have?
>
>
> Although I don't recall seeing the PulseAudio and zeitgeist-daemon
problem, your experiences largely match my own.  I work away from home for
one week every six months or so, and have tried various solutions for
calling my wife and two boys.  Skype stopped working for us altogether, so
we decided to try Jabber.
>
> When it works, it's fantastic, but it does seem very temperamental.  I
thought it was probably due to NAT traversal issues, but configuring a STUN
server didn't help[0], and even on the same WLAN we had problems. I haven't
had chance to look into it any further recently, but I really should before
I go away again.
>
> The last time I went away I used SIP from my Android phone using the
hotel wifi to our land line via VoipFone.  No video, but crystal clear
voice calls from Argentina for 1.2p/min.
>
> JT
>
> [0] How did I do that? Good question, but I don't think it was using
Empathy.  Maybe it was Psi+.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does AV chat work with Jabber?

[James Tait]

On 22/03/12 22:16, Tony Pursell wrote:

Does anyone know if Audio and Video (AV) chat works with Jabber from
Empathy?

[snip]

However, when we tried Jabber AV chat we got no connection.  I would
like to show him that we can move away from Skype, especially as we can
expect no more Linux support for it now that Microsoft have bought them.

I have just been trying to make a Jabber AV connection between two
computers at home using Empathy and that has been a failure too,
although I have had it working OK in the past.  Both ends just showed
'Connecting' and even when I hung up both ends, my desktop computer
showed Pulseaudio and zeitgeist-daemon taking up to 100% of both CPU
cores and 80% of the 2GB ram, until I killed them both.

What experience do other people have?


Although I don't recall seeing the PulseAudio and zeitgeist-daemon 
problem, your experiences largely match my own.  I work away from home 
for one week every six months or so, and have tried various solutions 
for calling my wife and two boys.  Skype stopped working for us 
altogether, so we decided to try Jabber.


When it works, it's fantastic, but it does seem very temperamental.  I 
thought it was probably due to NAT traversal issues, but configuring a 
STUN server didn't help[0], and even on the same WLAN we had problems. 
I haven't had chance to look into it any further recently, but I really 
should before I go away again.


The last time I went away I used SIP from my Android phone using the 
hotel wifi to our land line via VoipFone.  No video, but crystal clear 
voice calls from Argentina for 1.2p/min.


JT

[0] How did I do that? Good question, but I don't think it was using 
Empathy.  Maybe it was Psi+.

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[ubuntu-uk] Does AV chat work with Jabber?

[Tony Pursell]

Hi Folks

Does anyone know if Audio and Video (AV) chat works with Jabber from
Empathy?

I meet up with my brother frequently on-line for an AV chat. Up to now we
have used Skype, which works well, because he is basically a Windows man,
but recently he has started to experiment with Ubuntu (11.10) on a USB
stick.  We have tried our usual Skype chat using Ubuntu both ends and that
is OK (now he has got himself a UVC compatible  webcam).  However, when we
tried Jabber AV chat we got no connection.  I would like to show him that
we can move away from Skype, especially as we can expect no more Linux
support for it now that Microsoft have bought them.

I have just been trying to make a Jabber AV connection between two
computers at home using Empathy and that has been a failure too, although I
have had it working OK in the past.  Both ends just showed 'Connecting' and
even when I hung up both ends, my desktop computer showed Pulseaudio and
zeitgeist-daemon taking up to 100% of both CPU cores and 80% of the 2GB
ram, until I killed them both.

What experience do other people have?

I know AV chat may not be a top priority for a lot of the Ubuntu community,
but Microsoft always make a big thing of it when promoting their operating
systems.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Ubuntu desktop annoyance ....

[Barry Drake]

On 22/03/12 12:36, Kris Douglas wrote:

I /think/ that it is nautilus that displays the icons on the desktop.
Yes, Nautilus is responsible for showing desktop icons.


The bug seems to have been fixed in the last set of updates.  The Ubuntu 
bug team is fantastic isn't it.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Ubuntu desktop annoyance ....

[Barry Drake]

On 22/03/12 12:36, Kris Douglas wrote:

I /think/ that it is nautilus that displays the icons on the desktop.
Yes, Nautilus is responsible for showing desktop icons.



Ah!  My mistake.  I just assumed that Nautilus was a file browser and 
did nothing else.  Thanks for making it clear.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant open brasero

[scoundrel50a]

On 22/03/12 12:10, Colin Law wrote:

On 22 March 2012 12:01, Colin Law  wrote:

On 22 March 2012 11:01, John MM  wrote:


On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Colin Law  wrote:

On 13 March 2012 10:01, scoundrel50a  wrote:

I am running 11.10 and I'm trying to burn an image using brasero but
when I
click on the icon, nothing happens.can somebody help?

What happens if run it from a terminal (just type brasero)

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Hi, sorry I took so long to get back to you, have a few health problems that
have been causing some problems.

I tried typing brasero into a terminal and got this message

brasero: error while loading shared libraries: libunity.so.6: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory

Something is missing apparently.  If you have not already done so then
check all is up to date
sudo apt-get update&&  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

and if still no joy then reinstall brasero might help
sudo apt-get --reinstall install brasero


Googling for brasero libunity suggests you are not alone in this.  See
[1] and [2] and possibly others.

Suggestions there are to do (after my previous suggestions I think)
sudo ln /usr/lib/libunity.so.9 /usr/lib/libunity.so.6
or/and
sudo apt-get --reinstall libunity6
but I cannot vouch for these.

Is anyone more knowledgeable reading?

Colin

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/marlin/+bug/915546
[2] 
http://askubuntu.com/questions/102147/cannot-launch-nautilus-due-to-libunity-so-6-missing


Ah, that worked, I entered the first two commands then this one

sudo ln /usr/lib/libunity.so.9 /usr/lib/libunity.so.6

It now works..Brasero opened.have to see if I can burn an image if that 
works I'll let you know, thank you so much.




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Ubuntu desktop annoyance ....

[Kris Douglas]

On 22 March 2012 11:52, Colin Law  wrote:
> On 22 March 2012 11:48, Barry Drake  wrote:
>> On 22/03/12 11:01, Andy Braben wrote:
>>>
>>> That is a duplicate of
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/961141, which says
>>> it affects 4 people, so you are not alone.
>>
>>
>> I reported it as an ubuntu-desktop rather than a nautilus bug as the
>> situation arose with launchers that were already on my desktop and looked OK
>> one day and not the next.  Nautilus displays the problem when pointed at
>> /usr/share/applications but I don't think the bug is actually in Nautilus,
>> so it's my guess that the Nautilus report is a duplicate of the one I
>> reported and not vice versa - and I could be wrong!  At least I know that it
>> is not my problem alone.
>
> I /think/ that it is nautilus that displays the icons on the desktop.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant open brasero

[Colin Law]

On 22 March 2012 12:01, Colin Law  wrote:
> On 22 March 2012 11:01, John MM  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Colin Law  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 13 March 2012 10:01, scoundrel50a  wrote:
>>> > I am running 11.10 and I'm trying to burn an image using brasero but
>>> > when I
>>> > click on the icon, nothing happens.can somebody help?
>>>
>>> What happens if run it from a terminal (just type brasero)
>>>
>>> Colin
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>>
>>
>> Hi, sorry I took so long to get back to you, have a few health problems that
>> have been causing some problems.
>>
>> I tried typing brasero into a terminal and got this message
>>
>> brasero: error while loading shared libraries: libunity.so.6: cannot open
>> shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Something is missing apparently.  If you have not already done so then
> check all is up to date
> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>
> and if still no joy then reinstall brasero might help
> sudo apt-get --reinstall install brasero
>

Googling for brasero libunity suggests you are not alone in this.  See
[1] and [2] and possibly others.

Suggestions there are to do (after my previous suggestions I think)
sudo ln /usr/lib/libunity.so.9 /usr/lib/libunity.so.6
or/and
sudo apt-get --reinstall libunity6
but I cannot vouch for these.

Is anyone more knowledgeable reading?

Colin

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/marlin/+bug/915546
[2] 
http://askubuntu.com/questions/102147/cannot-launch-nautilus-due-to-libunity-so-6-missing

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant open brasero

[Colin Law]

On 22 March 2012 11:01, John MM  wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Colin Law  wrote:
>>
>> On 13 March 2012 10:01, scoundrel50a  wrote:
>> > I am running 11.10 and I'm trying to burn an image using brasero but
>> > when I
>> > click on the icon, nothing happens.can somebody help?
>>
>> What happens if run it from a terminal (just type brasero)
>>
>> Colin
>>
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>
>
> Hi, sorry I took so long to get back to you, have a few health problems that
> have been causing some problems.
>
> I tried typing brasero into a terminal and got this message
>
> brasero: error while loading shared libraries: libunity.so.6: cannot open
> shared object file: No such file or directory

Something is missing apparently.  If you have not already done so then
check all is up to date
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

and if still no joy then reinstall brasero might help
sudo apt-get --reinstall install brasero

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Ubuntu desktop annoyance ....

[Colin Law]

On 22 March 2012 11:48, Barry Drake  wrote:
> On 22/03/12 11:01, Andy Braben wrote:
>>
>> That is a duplicate of
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/961141, which says
>> it affects 4 people, so you are not alone.
>
>
> I reported it as an ubuntu-desktop rather than a nautilus bug as the
> situation arose with launchers that were already on my desktop and looked OK
> one day and not the next.  Nautilus displays the problem when pointed at
> /usr/share/applications but I don't think the bug is actually in Nautilus,
> so it's my guess that the Nautilus report is a duplicate of the one I
> reported and not vice versa - and I could be wrong!  At least I know that it
> is not my problem alone.

I /think/ that it is nautilus that displays the icons on the desktop.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Ubuntu desktop annoyance ....

[Barry Drake]

On 22/03/12 11:01, Andy Braben wrote:
That is a duplicate of 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/961141, which 
says it affects 4 people, so you are not alone.


I reported it as an ubuntu-desktop rather than a nautilus bug as the 
situation arose with launchers that were already on my desktop and 
looked OK one day and not the next.  Nautilus displays the problem when 
pointed at /usr/share/applications but I don't think the bug is actually 
in Nautilus, so it's my guess that the Nautilus report is a duplicate of 
the one I reported and not vice versa - and I could be wrong!  At least 
I know that it is not my problem alone.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [UKUUG-Announce] OSSG HMG Desktop Event

[Alan Bell]

really interesting sounding event at the BCS in London coming up for 
those interested in public sector use of Free Software. Steve Lamb from 
Microsoft is actually a nice chap, and there are speakers from the Free 
Software Foundation, Canonical and Red Hat


On 22/03/12 10:36, Jane Morrison wrote:


Looking into the Future of HMG Desktop/Client side computing –

London 04/04/12

http://ossg.bcs.org/2012/04/04/

The BCS Open Source Specialist Group (OSSG) will be holding a detailed event
around the future of HM Government Desktop/Client side computing at the BCS
Central London Offices, First  Floor, The Davidson  Building, 5 Southampton
Street, London WC2E 7HA (http://www.bcs.org/upload/pdf/london-office-guide.pdf)
on Wednesday 4th April 2012, from 1000 to 1700 hours.


Rationale for this event

With HM Government looking with renewed vigour at its computer
systems and in particular what benefits open source may bring, this
event intends to take a detailed look at what HMG Desktop/Client side
computing may consist of in the near future. For example should it be
based primarily around web services where accessible would not be
platform dependent so that for instance Civil Servants can load whatever
operating system they like on to an HMG funded laptop. Alternatively
could the future follow more closely the success
(http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/limux-munich-linux-migration-project-
reports-success) of the City of Munich using the Limux operating system based
around Ubuntu Linux 10.10 or perhaps should some form of rigidly controlled
thin client system running off of blade servers be used.

Another possible way forward is through the use of what has been
termed the ‘Jigsaw approach’ where business applications are all fully
vendor independent of each other and can be swapped from one product to
another with relative ease. For instance one Office Suite or Browser
product might be used for say 6 months and therefore form part of the
HMG desktop for that period of time, but can easily be changed for
another product after that period of time.

This bookable event is free and open to all with buffet and refreshments. To
book a place to attend please email Mark Elkins at mark_elk...@bcs.org

Speakers

Paul Adams, Strategy for migrating from Windows to the Free Desktop

Gerry Gavigan, Chair, Open Source Consortium (OSC),
http://www.opensourceconsortium.org

Chris Kenyon, Vice President, Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) Services,
Canonical http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/overview/management-team

Steve Lamb, Open Source Strategy Lead, Microsoft UK.
Steve works with Open Source developers,  communities and business
leaders to enable&  encourage a growing  ecosystem of Open Source
projects on Microsoft technologies including  Windows Azure. Steve is a
technologist with solid business and  communications experience who’s
worked at Microsoft for the last ten  years with the previous ten being
specialised in UNIX. He thrives on  breaking down unnecessary barriers,
working with amazing people to  understand complicated problems and
helping communities  be more successful. He has paid great attention to
cloud technologies  (and social media) for many years. Steve has spoken
at major conferences  around Europe including TechEd – he’s not “a
speaker” by trade.

Event Abstract: Hands up who’d like to use a computer  that takes
forever to boot, is inflexible, obsolete and expensive?  Anyone? No I
thought not! Sadly this is the reality for users of the  current HMG
standard desktop. It really doesn’t have to be this  way. My peers will
present a range of alternative Open Source  platforms. Open Source runs
REALLY WELL on Windows Client, Server and in  the (Azure) cloud. A
MODERN version of Windows can give a MUCH BETTER  experience though
changing the desktop Operating System  is only part of the solution.
Having a sensible configuration is  critical. Keeping it up to date is
key. Keeping costs down is important.  Freeing people to work HOW THEY
WORK BEST is critical.

LinuxIT http://www.linuxit.com/

Darian Lyons, Elefire, Ltd. London

Tariq Rashid, Lead Architect HOIT Technology
Solutions&  Assurance, Home Office, HM Government, explaining the
“jigsaw” model and its suggested benefits.

Sam Tuke is UK Coordinator for the Free Software
Foundation Europe (FSFE). He has been using, developing, and promoting
Free Software since 2003, organised and spoken at conferences in Sweden,
Britain, and Germany, and is currently working on the Document Freedom
Day 2012 campaign for Open Standards.
Event Abstract: Public bodies in Europe and beyond are making use of
Free Software in a major way. From Munich City Council, to the schools
and universities of Brazil, to the local authorities of Belgium, Free
Software is providing new solutions in highly competitive public sector
markets. Sam will introduce the most interesting of these deployments,
and discuss why Free Software was chosen in each case and what benefits
it br

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant open brasero

[Andy Braben]

> anybody know what that means, and if it cant be fixed is there another
> program to use that can burn images...
>
> Thanks
>
>
I can't help with what it means, but k3b is a very good program for burning
images, and my preference for anything to do with writing CDs/DVDs.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Ubuntu desktop annoyance ....

[Andy Braben]

On 22 March 2012 10:44, Barry Drake  wrote:

> On 22/03/12 10:24, Colin Law wrote:
>
>> OK, got it. I am seeing it if I view /usr/share/applications in nautilus
>> or if I copy a .desktop file to the Desktop from there. I would report it
>> as a bug in nautilus if not already reported. Colin
>>
>
> Thanks for that.  I've reported it at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/**
> ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+**bug/962051along
>  with links to screenshots.
>
> Kind regards,Barry.
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant open brasero

[John MM]

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Colin Law  wrote:

> On 13 March 2012 10:01, scoundrel50a  wrote:
> > I am running 11.10 and I'm trying to burn an image using brasero but
> when I
> > click on the icon, nothing happens.can somebody help?
>
> What happens if run it from a terminal (just type brasero)
>
> Colin
>
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Hi, sorry I took so long to get back to you, have a few health problems
that have been causing some problems.

I tried typing brasero into a terminal and got this message

brasero: error while loading shared libraries: libunity.so.6: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory

anybody know what that means, and if it cant be fixed is there another
program to use that can burn images...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Ubuntu desktop annoyance ....

[Barry Drake]

On 22/03/12 10:24, Colin Law wrote:
OK, got it. I am seeing it if I view /usr/share/applications in 
nautilus or if I copy a .desktop file to the Desktop from there. I 
would report it as a bug in nautilus if not already reported. Colin


Thanks for that.  I've reported it at: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/962051 along 
with links to screenshots.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Ubuntu desktop annoyance ....

[Colin Law]

On 22 March 2012 10:19, Colin Law  wrote:
> On 22 March 2012 10:08, Barry Drake  wrote:
>> On 21/03/12 12:13, Barry Drake wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there  This morning I am faced with the desktop icons showing the
>>> description and the tool-tip as well - see attached screenshot. This was
>>> after yesterday's updates to Precise.
>>
>>
>> I did try re-installing Ubuntu desktop using: sudo apt-get install
>> ubuntu-desktop^ as suggested by Popey in connection with another query.
>>  This did not alter the situation.  All the icons in the
>> /usr/share/applications directory show the same problem - the description
>> and the comment show all the time for every icon.  I have done a small
>> screenshot of a couple of these icons.  I hope that will 'travel'.  Any
>> ideas?  Or is it time to re-install Precise?
>
> I don't understand where you are seeing this.  Is it desktop files
> inside nautilus, shortcuts on the desktop, something to do with the
> launcher, or where?
>
> A full screenshot posted somewhere as suggested by Bod might be helpful

OK, got it. I am seeing it if I view /usr/share/applications in
nautilus or if I copy a .desktop file to the Desktop from there.  I
would report it as a bug in nautilus if not already reported.

Colin

>
> Colin



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Ubuntu desktop annoyance ....

[Colin Law]

On 22 March 2012 10:08, Barry Drake  wrote:
> On 21/03/12 12:13, Barry Drake wrote:
>>
>> Hi there  This morning I am faced with the desktop icons showing the
>> description and the tool-tip as well - see attached screenshot. This was
>> after yesterday's updates to Precise.
>
>
> I did try re-installing Ubuntu desktop using: sudo apt-get install
> ubuntu-desktop^ as suggested by Popey in connection with another query.
>  This did not alter the situation.  All the icons in the
> /usr/share/applications directory show the same problem - the description
> and the comment show all the time for every icon.  I have done a small
> screenshot of a couple of these icons.  I hope that will 'travel'.  Any
> ideas?  Or is it time to re-install Precise?

I don't understand where you are seeing this.  Is it desktop files
inside nautilus, shortcuts on the desktop, something to do with the
launcher, or where?

A full screenshot posted somewhere as suggested by Bod might be helpful

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Ubuntu desktop annoyance ....

[Barry Drake]

On 21/03/12 12:13, Barry Drake wrote:
Hi there  This morning I am faced with the desktop icons showing 
the description and the tool-tip as well - see attached screenshot. 
This was after yesterday's updates to Precise.


I did try re-installing Ubuntu desktop using: sudo apt-get install 
ubuntu-desktop^ as suggested by Popey in connection with another query.  
This did not alter the situation.  All the icons in the 
/usr/share/applications directory show the same problem - the 
description and the comment show all the time for every icon.  I have 
done a small screenshot of a couple of these icons.  I hope that will 
'travel'.  Any ideas?  Or is it time to re-install Precise?


Regards,Barry.

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