Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gaming on Ubuntu

[Andres Muniz]

- Mensaje original -
> The best way to get a linux gaming page could be a updated ebook style
> format-much like the introduction to linux (in pdf format from ages ago)
> that explains everything clearly for newcomers. A book style approach (in
> digital format) could include documentation on games, sources (ppas) of
> games for linux, links to wine emulator, ways to set up more "complex"
> things in ubuntu (i.e. running windows programs if required) etc so that
> it is easy to find. We must also be careful not to get the impression
> that we are persuading people to switch, more like showing there are
> alternatives. By that i mean not to give them a talk(rant) of why
> (insert fav OS) is better than (name another OS).
> 
> 
> I think the best way to advertise gaming [for linux][ it is to make it
> mainstream-let me explain.
> If they find some "random" forum discussion where geeks share ideas they
> may get the wrong impressions about linux (most of them are easier to use
> than windows, since everything is configurable). A better approach may be
> to let users know that there are a lot of good games out there (and when
> steam arrives that will be a LOT more).
>             Personally, I can see the switch happening as msft took 25 years 
>of
> work and got rid of it. The start menu was not bad...
> 
>         My ideas on the matter was more towards getting 12.10 more ready out
> of the box-by that i mean dvd playback, vlc media player (now that you
> have to pay to get windows media centre(?)) and other common programs.
> That way the first impressions of win 8 for the average user would be:
> 
> 1-where is the start menu!!!???
> 2-how do i get rid of metro and go back to classic windows!?
> 3-very untituitive, have to relearn everything
> 4-spent   £1000 on laptop, now have to spend 25 more (if have win pro) to
> get media centre-(some people still use it)
> 
> On the other hand on ubuntu side it will be
> 1-have to relearn anyway so why not try this-wait, you can go back to a
> similar (gnome 2/xfce) windows feel on this free os! :-)
> 2-a lot of programs are free with good support (dropbox, office suite,
> pdf reader, web browser, pic manager etc etc)
> 3-there are games for it (on ubuntu software centre and hopefully on
> steam by that time)
> 4-huge community support
> 5-less viruses ( etc...)
> 
>       Basically we need to let people know that there is support out there
> for people switching-the vast majority(non geeks) wont try hard[read-
> "at all"] if it isnt working-they will go back to what they know. If we
> can advertise the ammount of support that people can receive that will
> have a greater impact on all aspects of ubuntu. More people (potentially
> more publicity/ more developers will start coding for it), better
> applications, quicker fixes etc etc, better hardware support because of
> 1.
> 
> Currently linux hangs about 1-2% of consumer (not server) market, thats

I thought the number was more in the 5% area. If you take the amount of hits 
wikipedia gets from linux os. (This probably is helped by android).




> why no one really knows anything about it (outside specialised sphere of
> techs and geeks). I think people arent switching because there are
> reluctant to change (gonna have to any way!) the way they do things and
> the reluctance to relearn anything, even if it is vastly superior to
> what they used before (of course , until they realise it is much
> easier/more effective, unfortunately that could take months).
> 
> What do other people think???
> 
> On 9 July 2012 20:36, Daniel Case  wrote:
> 
> > Hey guys,
> > 
> > If you haven't heard, Windows 8 drops in October (around the release
> > of 12.10) and a lot of speculation says people will be looking for
> > alternate operating systems, Windows 8 gets rid of a lot and it is
> > another Windows Vista as it were, whereas Unity has become a pleasure
> > to use. So I think Ubuntu may get a lot of new users during this
> > time...
> > 
> > Some of the main things that stop users migrating are gaming, programs
> > not working etc, but Steam is releasing a client for Linux and Unity
> > (the gaming engine) as well, I think this page could do with an
> > update: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/ and also, could we
> > write a new page about "Linux Gaming" and get it to the first page of
> > Google? At the moment the second result is an article from 2009:
> > 
> > https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=gaming+linux
> > 
> > Mono
> > 
> > --
> > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
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> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
> > 

there are some videos on youtube of people gaming on linux based distros. Some 
of the games are not even played with wine and look pretty spectacular thanks 
to openGL (i think).

Showing that and some of the stuff that already came out of the humble indie 
bundle. 

that being said it has been a long tim

Re: [ubuntu-uk] http://ubuntuadverts.org/

[Phill Whiteside]

Okies,

if someone would contact the DNS owner, I can set up a Ubuntu-12.04 server
with LAMP. To make life actually capable for you guys I'll even install ssh
(Do NOT get me started as to why server edition does not have ssh as I
install via VM on a headless server that lives in a server farm!!!).

I must ask, who is going to take ownership of the new server for updates
etc?

Regards,

Phill.

On 9 July 2012 23:02, Barry Drake  wrote:

> On 09/07/12 22:56, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>
>> Long time no chat! There are some people from lubuntu who would most
>> likely be interested in getting this back up & running for all of the
>> flavours.
>>
>
> Hi .   For what it's worth, Cassidy James has dropped out of the
> project, and I'm not sure if there's anyone left but me.  I'd like to be
> involved and will commit to whatever we can do.  If Phill wants to make a
> new website, I'll look after it.  Let's keep this going.
>
> Regards,Barry
>
>
> --
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> http://ubuntuadverts.org/
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] http://ubuntuadverts.org/

[Barry Drake]

On 09/07/12 22:56, Phill Whiteside wrote:
Long time no chat! There are some people from lubuntu who would most 
likely be interested in getting this back up & running for all of the 
flavours.


Hi .   For what it's worth, Cassidy James has dropped out of the 
project, and I'm not sure if there's anyone left but me.  I'd like to be 
involved and will commit to whatever we can do.  If Phill wants to make 
a new website, I'll look after it.  Let's keep this going.


Regards,Barry

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] http://ubuntuadverts.org/

[Alan Pope]

On 09/07/12 22:56, Phill Whiteside wrote:

long time no chat! There are some people from lubuntu who would most likely
be interested in getting this back up & running for all of the flavours.



Why? Given the team seems to be dead, no meetings, no other activity?


Do you want to poke Jono over this, or should i?



I wouldn't bother him, nothing he can do. Just contact the guy who owns 
the domain and ask him nicely to point it at a working box. I'm sure 
Cassidy will happily re-point it or transfer ownership to someone else 
who will.


Cheers,
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Engineering Manager

Canonical - Product Strategy
+44 (0) 7973 620 164
alan.p...@canonical.com
http://ubuntu.com/



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] http://ubuntuadverts.org/

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi alan,

long time no chat! There are some people from lubuntu who would most likely
be interested in getting this back up & running for all of the flavours.

Do you want to poke Jono over this, or should i?

Regards,

Phill.
P.S. the 1st beta of speech control is finally nearing completion; the
usual lack of devs...

On 9 July 2012 22:49, Alan Pope  wrote:

> On 09/07/12 22:15, Barry Drake wrote:
>
>> Hmm    Just clicked on the link in my tagline
>> (http://ubuntuadverts.org/) and we don't exist any more!  Shame.
>>
>>
> Seems no meetings for a year and it looks like the owner left to the
> Elementary OS project.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UbuntuAdverts/Meetings
>
> Cassidy James is the person to poke.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Alan Pope
> Engineering Manager
>
> Canonical - Product Strategy
> +44 (0) 7973 620 164
> alan.p...@canonical.com
> http://ubuntu.com/
>
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/
>
> --
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>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] http://ubuntuadverts.org/

[Alan Pope]

On 09/07/12 22:15, Barry Drake wrote:

Hmm    Just clicked on the link in my tagline
(http://ubuntuadverts.org/) and we don't exist any more!  Shame.



Seems no meetings for a year and it looks like the owner left to the 
Elementary OS project.


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAdverts/Meetings

Cassidy James is the person to poke.

Cheers,
--
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Engineering Manager

Canonical - Product Strategy
+44 (0) 7973 620 164
alan.p...@canonical.com
http://ubuntu.com/



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] http://ubuntuadverts.org/

[Phill Whiteside]

It could be part of the DNS re-setting.

Should http://ubuntuadverts.org/ actually need server space to 'live' on,
they are more than welcome to have a virtual machine in your control under
the theSII server[1] we have the 16G model and already mirror the lubuntu
isos [2], which is the team I am QA liasion for. This is a standard reply
because of my wiki entry [3] and I am in charge of a server that can handle
a bit of workload - it just sits there grinning at me at 0.1% CPU usage :D

Regards,

Phill.
1. http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/
2. http://thesii.org/iso/
3. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw#Web_Hosting

On 9 July 2012 22:15, Barry Drake  wrote:

> Hmm    Just clicked on the link in my tagline (
> http://ubuntuadverts.org/) and we don't exist any more!  Shame.
>
> --
> Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team.
> http://ubuntuadverts.org/
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/
>
> --
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gaming on Ubuntu

[Anton Kanishchev]

The best way to get a linux gaming page could be a updated ebook style
format-much like the introduction to linux (in pdf format from ages ago)
that explains everything clearly for newcomers. A book style approach (in
digital format) could include documentation on games, sources (ppas) of
games for linux, links to wine emulator, ways to set up more "complex"
things in ubuntu (i.e. running windows programs if required) etc so that it
is easy to find. We must also be careful not to get the impression that we
are persuading people to switch, more like showing there are alternatives.
By that i mean not to give them a talk(rant) of why (insert fav OS) is
better than (name another OS).


I think the best way to advertise gaming [for linux][ it is to make it
mainstream-let me explain.
If they find some "random" forum discussion where geeks share ideas they
may get the wrong impressions about linux (most of them are easier to use
than windows, since everything is configurable). A better approach may be
to let users know that there are a lot of good games out there (and when
steam arrives that will be a LOT more).
  Personally, I can see the switch happening as msft took 25 years of
work and got rid of it. The start menu was not bad...

My ideas on the matter was more towards getting 12.10 more ready out of
the box-by that i mean dvd playback, vlc media player (now that you have to
pay to get windows media centre(?)) and other common programs. That way the
first impressions of win 8 for the average user would be:

1-where is the start menu!!!???
2-how do i get rid of metro and go back to classic windows!?
3-very untituitive, have to relearn everything
4-spent  £1000 on laptop, now have to spend 25 more (if have win pro) to
get media centre-(some people still use it)

On the other hand on ubuntu side it will be
1-have to relearn anyway so why not try this-wait, you can go back to a
similar (gnome 2/xfce) windows feel on this free os! :-)
2-a lot of programs are free with good support (dropbox, office suite, pdf
reader, web browser, pic manager etc etc)
3-there are games for it (on ubuntu software centre and hopefully on steam
by that time)
4-huge community support
5-less viruses ( etc...)

   Basically we need to let people know that there is support out there for
people switching-the vast majority(non geeks) wont try hard[read- "at all"]
if it isnt working-they will go back to what they know. If we can advertise
the ammount of support that people can receive that will have a greater
impact on all aspects of ubuntu. More people (potentially more publicity/
more developers will start coding for it), better applications, quicker
fixes etc etc, better hardware support because of 1.

Currently linux hangs about 1-2% of consumer (not server) market, thats why
no one really knows anything about it (outside specialised sphere of techs
and geeks). I think people arent switching because there are reluctant to
change (gonna have to any way!) the way they do things and the reluctance
to relearn anything, even if it is vastly superior to what they used before
(of course , until they realise it is much easier/more effective,
unfortunately that could take months).

What do other people think???

On 9 July 2012 20:36, Daniel Case  wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> If you haven't heard, Windows 8 drops in October (around the release
> of 12.10) and a lot of speculation says people will be looking for
> alternate operating systems, Windows 8 gets rid of a lot and it is
> another Windows Vista as it were, whereas Unity has become a pleasure
> to use. So I think Ubuntu may get a lot of new users during this
> time...
>
> Some of the main things that stop users migrating are gaming, programs
> not working etc, but Steam is releasing a client for Linux and Unity
> (the gaming engine) as well, I think this page could do with an
> update: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/ and also, could we
> write a new page about "Linux Gaming" and get it to the first page of
> Google? At the moment the second result is an article from 2009:
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=gaming+linux
>
> Mono
>
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> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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[ubuntu-uk] http://ubuntuadverts.org/

[Barry Drake]

Hmm    Just clicked on the link in my tagline 
(http://ubuntuadverts.org/) and we don't exist any more!  Shame.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gaming on Ubuntu

[Barry Drake]

On 09/07/12 20:53, alan c wrote:
I think you have an excellent point. I notice though, that although 
the more technical Windows user I meet does now, often, actually know 
of the existence of Ubuntu, it is still most unlikely that the general 
users of Windows will even have heard about it. I would really welcome 
a slightly higher profile of (UK) marketing and publicity, aimed at 
informing that an alternative 'exists'. The idea of 'Roadshows' has 
come to mind. not something to be done single handed though?


I would feel a bit more encouraged if Canonical were to put a tiny bit 
of effort into raising the profile.  The time is ripe as you say, Alan.  
Look at the really annoying adverts that Microsoft put on the Linux Mag 
e-pages.  A similar effort from Canonical would not cost the earth and 
would raise interest.  Add to that the potential army of volunteers like 
us who would give loads of time to the follow up    Canonical; if 
you are listening - don't miss the opportunity.


Regards,Barry.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gaming on Ubuntu

[alan c]

On 09/07/12 20:36, Daniel Case wrote:

Hey guys,

If you haven't heard, Windows 8 drops in October (around the release
of 12.10) and a lot of speculation says people will be looking for
alternate operating systems, Windows 8 gets rid of a lot and it is
another Windows Vista as it were, whereas Unity has become a pleasure
to use. So I think Ubuntu may get a lot of new users during this
time...


I think you have an excellent point. I notice though, that although 
the more technical Windows user I meet does now, often, actually know 
of the existence of Ubuntu, it is still most unlikely that the general 
users of Windows will even have heard about it. I would really welcome 
a slightly higher profile of (UK) marketing and publicity, aimed at 
informing that an alternative 'exists'. The idea of 'Roadshows' has 
come to mind. not something to be done single handed though?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Museum outing

[Alan Bell]

On 07/07/12 21:25, Bruno Girin wrote:

On 20/06/12 23:43, Bruno Girin wrote:

Hi all,

Anybody fancy a geeky museum outing one weekend to go see the
Codebreaker exhibition at the Science Museum?

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/visitmuseum/galleries/turing.aspx


Right, so would Saturday 28th be a good date for such an outing?

Cheers,

Bruno


sub optimal, you are busy :) 
http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/




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[ubuntu-uk] Gaming on Ubuntu

[Daniel Case]

Hey guys,

If you haven't heard, Windows 8 drops in October (around the release
of 12.10) and a lot of speculation says people will be looking for
alternate operating systems, Windows 8 gets rid of a lot and it is
another Windows Vista as it were, whereas Unity has become a pleasure
to use. So I think Ubuntu may get a lot of new users during this
time...

Some of the main things that stop users migrating are gaming, programs
not working etc, but Steam is releasing a client for Linux and Unity
(the gaming engine) as well, I think this page could do with an
update: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/ and also, could we
write a new page about "Linux Gaming" and get it to the first page of
Google? At the moment the second result is an article from 2009:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=gaming+linux

Mono

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