Re: [ubuntu-uk] EdUbuntu
2007/9/29, Ron Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ian Pascoe wrote: Will someone put me out of my misery Bang! Thanks, but what desktop does EdUbuntu come with? I'bve just scoured over the site and found what's included and I'm leaving towards KDE but can someone say for sure please? E It's Gnome, see http://www.edubuntu.org/screenshots HTH, Ron -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Edubuntu and Ubuntu is the same thing... only that the packages are diffrent... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Warm Greeting from Indonesia
2007/9/30, Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 30/09/2007, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. I'm Taufan from Bogor, Indonesia. Just use Ubuntu in the last 2 months and want to meet ubuntu-ers in all over the world. Hello there Taufan, how are you doing :-) It's great to see Ubuntu being used around the world, and really good to hear that you are replacing Windows with Ubuntu in your schools. I for one think that no child should be forced to use an operating system that they themselves may not be able to afford. I agree, what's the point of being given an opportunity to use an operating system that wouldn't be available to them... I have relatives over in Jakarta, and it's good to know that Ubuntu is as accessible to them (if they ever wanted to use it) as it is to me in England. Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Anyway, It's nice to hear from someone benefiting from OSS in another part of the world. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Fully agree! Nice to have someone that's not European here... Anyway.. I'm from Sweden... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
2007/9/27, Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 27/09/2007, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris, On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 18:23 +0100, Kris Douglas wrote: On 27/09/2007, Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kris Douglas wrote: No windows in the European union? No it's just a very misguided suggestion that no PC should ship with an OS pre-installed. It just means more pain for users and no gain for anyone else. Cheers, -- Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canonical.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Agreed, but if you were in a situation where you needed a system that could connect to a domain and run an application that was associated with keeping customers money safe, would you spend ages installing an operating system, or would you go get a machine that had something installed and functioning correctly? This argument works for any operating system! If I had a Linux application doing a similar thing, I would want to buy client machines that had Linux pre-installed and just worked. But this is a circular argument. One reason companies go for Microsoft based applications is that they can buy pre-installed clients that just work. It's much harder to do for Linux. Somehow, the circle needs to be broken! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Good point, if pcworld stocked Linux systems... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I got one word to say: Dell... They are offering 3 models with Ubuntu by default... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing
Why don't you use the diffrent advantages of the diffrent editors? Like mix them... Is it speciall fileformats for the diffrent editors? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] creation of a dual boot desktop from scratch
You should certanly let the computer use Ubuntu only... all the good things are for Ubuntu, Firefox, GIMP, UrT... :P My teacher don't allow me to write more.. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing
2007/9/28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ubuntu-uk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Pope Sent: 28 September 2007 07:35 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing Hi, On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 08:26 +0200, Sakjur wrote: Why don't you use the diffrent advantages of the diffrent editors? Like mix them... Is it speciall fileformats for the diffrent editors? Imagine using 3 different word processors to produce a document. One because it lets you do bold, one because it does tables and another because it saves in the right format. You would have to keep switching between the applications. It would be incredibly inefficient and frustrating. I would love to see just one decent video editor on Linux. There are loads on Windows and Mac :( Cheers, Al. Ohh... yeah... maybe it's a bit hard to use three diffrent... anyway you should use one for the effects and one for the editing.. there's a lot of pro's doing that... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
2007/9/28, Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 28/09/2007, Sakjur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/28, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Chris Jones wrote: Hi Kris Douglas wrote: No windows in the European union? No it's just a very misguided suggestion that no PC should ship with an OS pre-installed. It just means more pain for users and no gain for anyone else. Cheers, Chris, I'm with you on this. It is hard to see where other EU Directives of a similar nature (for example, the legislation around servicing for motor vehicles by non-franchised dealers) has ACTUALLY led to an improvement for customers. I also have trouble with the economics of No Windows licence means much cheaper PC. The big vendors pay little for their Windows licences - and in some cases make MORE from the CrippleWare fees they charge than they actually have to pay out for the O/S licence - so a fair cost solution would actually make Windows+Crippleware CHEAPER than Linux. Dell are, of course, to be applauded for what they've done. Both in REDUCING the price of a non-Windows PC and providing such an option in the first place. Of course, what I'd REALLY like to see is machines installed dual-booting between Ubuntu and a 30-day trial version of Windows at the end of which, the user either paid an extra £xxx or went with Ubuntu. Regards, Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ That would be awsome! And that that you had to try both... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ You're right... But... I don't see a Dell shop 100metres away from the head office of my company... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ There's no Dell shops, you buy them online... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
2007/9/28, Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 28/09/2007, Sakjur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/28, Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 28/09/2007, Sakjur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/28, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Chris Jones wrote: Hi Kris Douglas wrote: No windows in the European union? No it's just a very misguided suggestion that no PC should ship with an OS pre-installed. It just means more pain for users and no gain for anyone else. Cheers, Chris, I'm with you on this. It is hard to see where other EU Directives of a similar nature (for example, the legislation around servicing for motor vehicles by non-franchised dealers) has ACTUALLY led to an improvement for customers. I also have trouble with the economics of No Windows licence means much cheaper PC. The big vendors pay little for their Windows licences - and in some cases make MORE from the CrippleWare fees they charge than they actually have to pay out for the O/S licence - so a fair cost solution would actually make Windows+Crippleware CHEAPER than Linux. Dell are, of course, to be applauded for what they've done. Both in REDUCING the price of a non-Windows PC and providing such an option in the first place. Of course, what I'd REALLY like to see is machines installed dual-booting between Ubuntu and a 30-day trial version of Windows at the end of which, the user either paid an extra £xxx or went with Ubuntu. Regards, Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ That would be awsome! And that that you had to try both... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ You're right... But... I don't see a Dell shop 100metres away from the head office of my company... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ There's no Dell shops, you buy them online... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I know, but if you read up...i was saying that i can walk to pcworld and buy a machine, with windows on it...and then walk to the office, plug it in, and tell the user to log on. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ My ignorance, sorry! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
2007/9/28, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Chris Jones wrote: Hi Kris Douglas wrote: No windows in the European union? No it's just a very misguided suggestion that no PC should ship with an OS pre-installed. It just means more pain for users and no gain for anyone else. Cheers, Chris, I'm with you on this. It is hard to see where other EU Directives of a similar nature (for example, the legislation around servicing for motor vehicles by non-franchised dealers) has ACTUALLY led to an improvement for customers. I also have trouble with the economics of No Windows licence means much cheaper PC. The big vendors pay little for their Windows licences - and in some cases make MORE from the CrippleWare fees they charge than they actually have to pay out for the O/S licence - so a fair cost solution would actually make Windows+Crippleware CHEAPER than Linux. Dell are, of course, to be applauded for what they've done. Both in REDUCING the price of a non-Windows PC and providing such an option in the first place. Of course, what I'd REALLY like to see is machines installed dual-booting between Ubuntu and a 30-day trial version of Windows at the end of which, the user either paid an extra £xxx or went with Ubuntu. Regards, Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ That would be awsome! And that that you had to try both... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.
2007/9/27, Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You can send googlemail in plaintext if you want (it's under the options, and it's how I'm sending this message). However, you have to remember every time you reply to a thread to strip out the little *quoted text* line that often appears under your replies. The entire thread is actually sitting under that innocuous little bit of text, but Google is smart enough to minimise it in the web client for ease of reading. Unfortunately when you reply it expands that *quoted text* line into the entire thread of the message... and I'm guessing but probably only other gmail webclient users are immune to this phenomenon... Pete -- 'In letters of gold, on a snow-white kite, I will write I Love You! And send it soaring high above you, for all to read!' RIP Billy M 1957-1997 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Poor you who have to use googlemail... who was the one that owe's gmail? I'm lucky I got a @gmail.com... Very well... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
2007/9/27, Eddie Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Having read the submission by the Global Institute (PDF) http://www.globalisation.eu/publications/unbundlingmicrosoftwindows.pdf and this scary bit of nonsense Linux to finally kill Windows' http://diary.bluemango.in/?p=110(who wrote this - anybody know?), I'm wondering if Ubuntu-UK should add it's weight to this argument and submit an 'informed' opinion to the debate. What do we think about this proposal? My personal, unbiased opinion (to be qualified later): Is Yes! Yes! Yes! Go for it, Yerp but then I've always been the quiet type :-) Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Hey... EU is evil! They're just like USA! I don't like an United States of Europe... And they also force a lot stupid things... they force our armies in war to defence the inhabitants... The only good thing they ever done is the debate against Microsoft... Have you read that the second leader of EU would like EU to censor some sentances... like: howto build bomb and so on.. That's only my opinion... // Emil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Map tracking news articles of governments and business switching to linux
2007/9/27, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Check this out, it's quite interesting ;-) http://www.listphile.com/Linux Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Cool, Kent Police are using Linux... but over here the dumb government don't understand! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] How about a Godfather system?
Hello! I really should post this in the Ubuntu Forums, but well... I dunno why I prefer the Maillist.. Well... anyway: Ubuntu-SE got a Godfather System were newbie's may get free help from voluntary users... The godfather's don't have to know everything, cause there's a hidden forum for them, where they may ask each other... how should this work worldwide? // Your Emil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] How about a Godfather system?
2007/9/27, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Sakjur, On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 14:50 +0200, Sakjur wrote: Hello! I really should post this in the Ubuntu Forums, but well... I dunno why I prefer the Maillist.. Because we're nicer (*). Well... anyway: Ubuntu-SE got a Godfather System were newbie's may get free help from voluntary users... In the same way that the following sites do that:- http://ubuntuforums.org/ https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu http://www.linuxquestions.org/ IRC Mailing lists .. and so on. The godfather's don't have to know everything, cause there's a hidden forum for them, where they may ask each other... how should this work worldwide? Is there really a need for _another_ place? Ubuntuforums seems to be massively popular with people with support questions. Why not drive more people there, or indeed to any of the other places? Unless of course I am missing a fundamental point about the Ubuntu-SE Godfather system? Cheers, Al. (*) Is what I'd like to think :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Of course the systems forum is a subforum at the Ubuntu-SE forum... The point is that if you don't dare to ask open, you could always ask a godfather... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?[Scanned]
2007/9/27, Paul Brunt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sakjur wrote: 2007/9/27, Eddie Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Having read the submission by the Global Institute (PDF) http://www.globalisation.eu/publications/unbundlingmicrosoftwindows.pdf and this scary bit of nonsense Linux to finally kill Windows' http://diary.bluemango.in/?p=110(who wrote this - anybody know?), I'm wondering if Ubuntu-UK should add it's weight to this argument and submit an 'informed' opinion to the debate. What do we think about this proposal? My personal, unbiased opinion (to be qualified later): Is Yes! Yes! Yes! Go for it, Yerp but then I've always been the quiet type :-) Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Hey... EU is evil! They're just like USA! I don't like an United States of Europe... And they also force a lot stupid things... they force our armies in war to defence the inhabitants... The only good thing they ever done is the debate against Microsoft... Have you read that the second leader of EU would like EU to censor some sentances... like: howto build bomb and so on.. That's only my opinion... // Emil I would have said comparing the EU to the USA is a bit of a stretch, at least we have a say in the EU. I believe they have also shielded us in the UK from a lot of new draconian laws. When it's a choice between daft and draconian I know which I would pick ;-) But anyway that's a little off subject. My personal opinion is it would be great to septate the OS from the machine and give Ubuntu a chance; but, then I think how would I feel if I went out, brought a toaster and it wouldn't make my toast until I had toasted a dozen pop-tarts :-) Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ You know that when you got a new toaster you shall let it go without bread 1-2 times before using? :P Of course the EU have done some great thing, but what for? My opinion is that takes some of our independence from us... Emil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] EU-topia? No Windows in EU ? Should we contribute?
2007/9/27, Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Eddie Armstrong wrote: Ah, but with no OS on a PC maybe apple have an opportunity to compete and thus develop for all PCs - it might well be profitable, Apple has no interest in getting OS X on ordinary PCs. If they do that they stop being a hardware company and live and die by sales of OS X. Cheers, -- Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canonical.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I say: iPod... They live by the iPod... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Repositories for Breezy
Hello! I would recommend that if you got a server you should run server edition of 6.06 Dapper Daft... 5 year's support until June/April 2011... // Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2007/9/26, Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Mark Harrison wrote: I need to install another package on an otherwise-working-fine-and-stable breezy server. As pointed out by Alec, they've moved. The reason they've moved is because breezy is no longer supported. If your fine and stable server is anywhere near the internet, fine is not a word I would use ;) Cheers, -- Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canonical.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Repositories for Breezy
On servers there's better to upgrade the least you may... // Emil 2007/9/26, Daniel Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Or upgrade it with every new release! -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sakjur *Sent:* 26 September 2007 18:21 *To:* British Ubuntu Talk *Subject:* Re: [ubuntu-uk] Repositories for Breezy Hello! I would recommend that if you got a server you should run server edition of 6.06 Dapper Daft... 5 year's support until June/April 2011... // Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2007/9/26, Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Mark Harrison wrote: I need to install another package on an otherwise-working-fine-and-stable breezy server. As pointed out by Alec, they've moved. The reason they've moved is because breezy is no longer supported. If your fine and stable server is anywhere near the internet, fine is not a word I would use ;) Cheers, -- Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canonical.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
