Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
David M wrote: I've just upgraded both of my boxes to 9.04, and it seems (so far) to have gone reasonably smoothly, which is a great reassurance as a couple (only a few, mind you) of the previous Ubuntu upgrades have been a little hairy.. However, 9.04 has removed the Logout/Shutdown options from the System menu in GNOME, meaning that I have no alternative now but to use the newish logout menu (that was introduced in 8.10, I think). I'd got into the habit of: alt-F1 [1], and then cursoring over to System - Shutdown ..in order to shutdown my computer, but as this menu item is no longer present, is it possible to activate the new logout menu from the keyboard? I presume it must be somehow, as it would probably be Very Bad from an accessibility perspective otherwise.. (Come to that, why does keyboarding through the menus only apply to the menus themselves and not to any program icons that you may also have added to the panel?) Thanks for any advice, David. [1] an obscure enough keyboard combo by itself, which I'd only found out about because I'd read it somewhere.. It would probably be nice if the Applications menu hover tooltip mentioned the existence of this keyboard shortcut, as I'm sure few people would guess it otherwise. I asked the very same question the other day on IRC as I had the same habit. If you hit the power button on your pc/laptop it should pop up the shutdown menu, much quicker than alt+F1 followed by cursor keys :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
On Sun, 03 May 2009 23:32:54 +0100, David M lists2...@trancepod.netmx.co.uk wrote: I've just upgraded both of my boxes to 9.04, and it seems (so far) to have gone reasonably smoothly, which is a great reassurance as a couple (only a few, mind you) of the previous Ubuntu upgrades have been a little hairy.. However, 9.04 has removed the Logout/Shutdown options from the System menu in GNOME, meaning that I have no alternative now but to use the newish logout menu (that was introduced in 8.10, I think). I'd got into the habit of: alt-F1 [1], and then cursoring over to System - Shutdown ..in order to shutdown my computer, but as this menu item is no longer present, is it possible to activate the new logout menu from the keyboard? I presume it must be somehow, as it would probably be Very Bad from an accessibility perspective otherwise.. (Come to that, why does keyboarding through the menus only apply to the menus themselves and not to any program icons that you may also have added to the panel?) Thanks for any advice, David. [1] an obscure enough keyboard combo by itself, which I'd only found out about because I'd read it somewhere.. It would probably be nice if the Applications menu hover tooltip mentioned the existence of this keyboard shortcut, as I'm sure few people would guess it otherwise. On my box running Karmic here, you can press Ctrl-Alt-Del to popup a shutdown menu, although it doesn't offer an option to logout or switch users. I'm pretty sure the shortcut was in Jaunty and Intrepid as well. Daniel -- Humanity is where the falling angel meets the rising ape. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Rhodes-Mumby wrote: ... On my box running Karmic here, you can press Ctrl-Alt-Del to popup a shutdown menu, although it doesn't offer an option to logout or switch users. I'm pretty sure the shortcut was in Jaunty and Intrepid as well. Daniel Where did you get that from? I'd love to test it, but the Release Schedule say's it's not even at Alpha 1 yet. Did you just change jaunty to karmic in sources.list? Thanks - -- Many thanks Harry Rickards (a.k.a l33tmyst) - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GAT/GCM/GCS/GCC/GIT/GM d? s: a? C UL P- L+++ E--- W+++ N o K+ w--- O- M- V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t 5 X R tv-- b+++ DI D G e* h! !r y? - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkn+2q0ACgkQ1kZz3mRu0GrM3wCfXI77CxbKv4fWAf1sZdYCyoCy 1MYAoMuSEjYh4R2CM4sixSsP5iXCvkth =Qbyy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
On Mon, 04 May 2009 13:08:13 +0100, Harry Rickards hricka...@l33tmyst.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Rhodes-Mumby wrote: ... On my box running Karmic here, you can press Ctrl-Alt-Del to popup a shutdown menu, although it doesn't offer an option to logout or switch users. I'm pretty sure the shortcut was in Jaunty and Intrepid as well. Daniel Where did you get that from? I'd love to test it, but the Release Schedule say's it's not even at Alpha 1 yet. Did you just change jaunty to karmic in sources.list? Thanks - -- Many thanks Harry Rickards (a.k.a l33tmyst) - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GAT/GCM/GCS/GCC/GIT/GM d? s: a? C UL P- L+++ E--- W+++ N o K+ w--- O- M- V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t 5 X R tv-- b+++ DI D G e* h! !r y? - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkn+2q0ACgkQ1kZz3mRu0GrM3wCfXI77CxbKv4fWAf1sZdYCyoCy 1MYAoMuSEjYh4R2CM4sixSsP5iXCvkth =Qbyy -END PGP SIGNATURE- That was pretty much it, yes, and as an aside this is one area where it really helps to make proper use of sources.list.d/ as well - it's far easier to simply sed the sources.list and not have to worry about changing PPAs back to the right version. I've got some minor dependency breakage, as always happens in a develop- ment release, and there aren't any noticeable changes yet. It's nice to be at the bleeding edge of things though - and with AS module exams in only a couple of weeks, and half a year's worth of politics and physics notes on this laptop, 'bleeding' could well be appropriate should some- thing break! Daniel -- Humanity is where the falling angel meets the rising ape. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
Dean Sas wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british David M wrote: However, 9.04 has removed the Logout/Shutdown options from the System menu in GNOME, meaning that I have no alternative now but to use the newish logout menu (that was introduced in 8.10, I think). If you remove the quit applet then you should get the menu items back in the System menu. Thanks for that advice. I'm not sure if I'll do that (yet?), as the quit applet does look kinda purty.. ;-) I think the idea is that it is confusing to have shutdown options from the quit applet and in the System menu. That doesn't make sense to me - application launchers are available in multiple places as are mounted volumes. Hmm, I agree that does seem a pretty silly policy. I gather that kind of thing is very typically 'GNOME', however.. :-( I wonder if I should file a bug/feature-request.. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
Adam Bagnall wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british David M wrote: ..in order to shutdown my computer, but as this menu item is no longer present, is it possible to activate the new logout menu from the keyboard? I presume it must be somehow, as it would probably be Very Bad from an accessibility perspective otherwise.. I asked the very same question the other day on IRC as I had the same habit. If you hit the power button on your pc/laptop it should pop up the shutdown menu, much quicker than alt+F1 followed by cursor keys :) goes away and experiments ..h, that's neat! That'd never have occurred to me! (although the power button isn't really closer to hand on my desktop, or should I say, buried under the desk, box!) An interesting example of where us techie-types /know/ that pressing the power button without first shutting down is /obviously/ a Bad Idea, but, actually, instead, what would turn out to be the instinctive action for a 'normal' person turns out in actual fact to Do The Right Thing.. Hey, does this mean that all that power management stuff is safe to play with now? plays further ..it even looks as though Suspend/Hibernate are working on my laptoy (Advent 4211), although Hibernate takes longer to defrost than booting up from scratch, which rather defeats the point! No such luck on my desktop, though, which is, as I suspect, probably a bit too old (~2004) to like that kind of thing. I could still do with a keyboard shortcut for when I just want to logout and hand over to a different user, though. David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
Daniel Rhodes-Mumby wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british On my box running Karmic here, you can press Ctrl-Alt-Del to popup a shutdown menu, although it doesn't offer an option to logout or switch users. I'm pretty sure the shortcut was in Jaunty and Intrepid as well. Thanks for that: again, not another key combo that it would have occurred to me to use, since it /obviously/ does bad things.. ;-) (You can imagine how perplexed I was the first time I came across a Whinedos box that asked me to do that in order to login..) -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
David M wrote: Daniel Rhodes-Mumby wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british On my box running Karmic here, you can press Ctrl-Alt-Del to popup a shutdown menu, although it doesn't offer an option to logout or switch users. I'm pretty sure the shortcut was in Jaunty and Intrepid as well. Thanks for that: again, not another key combo that it would have occurred to me to use, since it /obviously/ does bad things.. ;-) (You can imagine how perplexed I was the first time I came across a Whinedos box that asked me to do that in order to login..) There is, of course, always the terminal alternative: sudo poweroff sudo shutdown -h now to shutdown or: sudo shutdown -r now sudo reboot to reboot (that's two examples for each. Always useful to know if you're dropped to tty1 for some reason ;) -- Mehall -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
David M wrote: Dean Sas wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british I think the idea is that it is confusing to have shutdown options from the quit applet and in the System menu. That doesn't make sense to me Hmm, I agree that does seem a pretty silly policy. I gather that kind of thing is very typically 'GNOME', however.. :-( Nothing to do with GNOME, this is a Ubuntu specific change. I wonder if I should file a bug/feature-request.. There was a little pushback from the Ubuntu desktop team, sabdfl pushed the change through though. See bug 283278 for more details. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
I've just upgraded both of my boxes to 9.04, and it seems (so far) to have gone reasonably smoothly, which is a great reassurance as a couple (only a few, mind you) of the previous Ubuntu upgrades have been a little hairy.. However, 9.04 has removed the Logout/Shutdown options from the System menu in GNOME, meaning that I have no alternative now but to use the newish logout menu (that was introduced in 8.10, I think). I'd got into the habit of: alt-F1 [1], and then cursoring over to System - Shutdown ..in order to shutdown my computer, but as this menu item is no longer present, is it possible to activate the new logout menu from the keyboard? I presume it must be somehow, as it would probably be Very Bad from an accessibility perspective otherwise.. (Come to that, why does keyboarding through the menus only apply to the menus themselves and not to any program icons that you may also have added to the panel?) Thanks for any advice, David. [1] an obscure enough keyboard combo by itself, which I'd only found out about because I'd read it somewhere.. It would probably be nice if the Applications menu hover tooltip mentioned the existence of this keyboard shortcut, as I'm sure few people would guess it otherwise. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 9.04: Is the (newish) GNOME logout menu controllable by keyboard?
David M wrote: I've just upgraded both of my boxes to 9.04, and it seems (so far) to have gone reasonably smoothly, which is a great reassurance as a couple (only a few, mind you) of the previous Ubuntu upgrades have been a little hairy.. However, 9.04 has removed the Logout/Shutdown options from the System menu in GNOME, meaning that I have no alternative now but to use the newish logout menu (that was introduced in 8.10, I think). If you remove the quit applet then you should get the menu items back in the System menu. I think the idea is that it is confusing to have shutdown options from the quit applet and in the System menu. That doesn't make sense to me - application launchers are available in multiple places as are mounted volumes. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
