Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Consultation[Scanned]
On 01/02/07, Daniel Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy wrote: Software DRM works only on the assumption that one can not determine how the authorised program works. You can do that just as easily on Linux, just compile the code, yes it can be reverse engineered but you could never hide it anyway, the CPU needs to be able to understand it. I disagree. Software DRM works only on the assumption that if either you break it or you take advantage of you having broken it, you can be sued for breaking it. The companies who build this defect into their product do it knowing that it doesn't stop people using it, it stop people using it 'legally'. I'm not sure that's right. A license will stop you using it legally, you don't need DRM for that. You use DRM to enforce the license. Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Consultation[Scanned]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil Greenwood wrote: I'm not sure that's right. A license will stop you using it legally, you don't need DRM for that. You use DRM to enforce the license. In the grand scheme of things, DRM as it currently exists is too pathetic to be considered much of a technological hurdle. Indeed, if DRM is such a big deal, why are we still able to decode DVDs using libdvdcss which must have been written yonks ago? If it weren't simply a case of legal manouevering, there would have been a mass recall of DVD players and new encoding would have been used. Or why is it that DRM for the two next-gen media formats has already been broken? I don't disagree with you, but DRM is there to force you to _do_ something in order to use unlicensed media, so you can't just throw your hands up when accused and look innocent. Dan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFw1jL3arasOikFPYRAvNKAKDEH+xSt+mvcbHOyB3F4if5k106PwCeIh3v Lrxjc4Yy8jwd6inU/bYffi4= =Tgz4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Consultation[Scanned]
Filled it in but after reading a bit more it looks like the trust is saying that the BBC have to provide something for Linux and mac. But they're also saying that the content can be kept for no more then 30 days(not the 13weeks that the BBC proposed)..that means the BBC will have to come up with some sort of DRM for Linux if we want to use the service. Scrase, Eddie wrote: The BBC are running a consultation about introducing on-demand services (for example, replaying shows over the internet). Question 5 of the consultation asks How important is it that the proposed seven-day catch-up service over the internet is available to consumers who are not using Microsoft software? I have filled in the questionnaire (obviously stating my opinion that the BBC should support Linux), and would like to suggest that others do the same: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consult/open-consultations/ondemand_services.html -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Consultation[Scanned]
On 01/02/07, Paul Brunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that means the BBC will have to come up with some sort of DRM for Linux if we want to use the service. Well they don't need to come up with a secure DRM scheme as they don't have one of those for Windows either, (one could argue that a secure software based DRM scheme can not exist). So we can accept that it will be breakable. Its not hard to make a DRM scheme for Linux, why does the OS even matter? C/C++/Java/Python code is portable, or do they want to use .NET or something? Software DRM works only on the assumption that one can not determine how the authorised program works. You can do that just as easily on Linux, just compile the code, yes it can be reverse engineered but you could never hide it anyway, the CPU needs to be able to understand it. I could probably write a DRM program in Bash, if I knew more about shell scripting and had a clue about awk and sed and what not. _ Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Consultation[Scanned]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andy wrote: Its not hard to make a DRM scheme for Linux, why does the OS even matter? C/C++/Java/Python code is portable, or do they want to use .NET or something? Even then there's Mono, so it wouldn't be entirely impossible. Software DRM works only on the assumption that one can not determine how the authorised program works. You can do that just as easily on Linux, just compile the code, yes it can be reverse engineered but you could never hide it anyway, the CPU needs to be able to understand it. I disagree. Software DRM works only on the assumption that if either you break it or you take advantage of you having broken it, you can be sued for breaking it. The companies who build this defect into their product do it knowing that it doesn't stop people using it, it stop people using it 'legally'. Dan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFwido3arasOikFPYRAvdtAJ9HXBTuRUyJ/ITETIDPSj7Okmg4FgCfUlm4 FN5v7MLnexJRR6OS84AMVZs= =yGxR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
