Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
Hi David, On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 03:03:24PM +0100, David wrote: What does everybody think about these certifications? In late 2008, LPI-UK sent me what I considered at the time to be several pieces of uninteresting unsolicited email. After asking how they got my address it turned out that I had once expressed an interest in an LPI exam at a FOSDEM event and LPI shared my email address with all of their affiliates, which is allowed in the small print of their privacy policy (so not technically unsolicited). I attempted to unsubscribe from the marketing mail (which itself contained no unsubscribe link) but got an error from the LPI mailman instance. In all it took 7 weeks and several back and forth emails with Bill Quinn for me to be removed from this marketing list, during which time I received several more marketing emails, some of which were duplicates of the other. Some excuses given for the inability to unsubscribe me included: Due to Canadian Data Protection Law, I / LPI-UK can not view or alter the names on the mailing list. I can only make a formal request to LPI to remove you from the list. I was not the only person to experience this; see thread starting at: http://lists.gllug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug/2008-October/074599.html I received no apology for this at the time, and only later when someone brought up the incident again on a mailing list and I chipped in with my account of my experience did Bill apologise to me on behalf of LPI-UK. Unfortunately in that same email he called me a liar over my claim of receiving duplicates of the same marketing. My mail box disagreed with him: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:19:01 -0500 From: Scott Lamberton slamber...@lpi.org Subject: Upcoming LPI Webcasts: December 17th Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:22:03 + From: Bill Quinn bill.qu...@lpi-uk.org Subject: [lpi-alumni-uk] Free LPI Webcasts As a result of this I personally will never have dealings with LPI-UK or Linux-IT. I have not experienced anything bad from any other LPI affiliate but since taking an LPI exam requires giving LPI your email, and LPI's privacy policy says they will share your details with their affiliates, I can't recommend that either. I hope that Linux-IT's understanding of customer service and the UK Data Protection Act has improved in the last ~16 months. As it happens I do hold several Linux and IT-related certifications, all of which are associated with more enterprisey corporations than LPI, and none of them aggressively market to me in this manner. Cheers, Andy signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
Hi there, I have an LPIC 1 certification which I can say has been a help in job searches and also applications to emigrate. Also in having the LPIC 1 I was awarded 2 further awards from Novell, as they deemed it that the course covered the knowledge needed for those exams... On 23 April 2010 11:51, Andy Smith a...@strugglers.net wrote: Hi David, On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 03:03:24PM +0100, David wrote: What does everybody think about these certifications? In late 2008, LPI-UK sent me what I considered at the time to be several pieces of uninteresting unsolicited email. After asking how they got my address it turned out that I had once expressed an interest in an LPI exam at a FOSDEM event and LPI shared my email address with all of their affiliates, which is allowed in the small print of their privacy policy (so not technically unsolicited). I attempted to unsubscribe from the marketing mail (which itself contained no unsubscribe link) but got an error from the LPI mailman instance. In all it took 7 weeks and several back and forth emails with Bill Quinn for me to be removed from this marketing list, during which time I received several more marketing emails, some of which were duplicates of the other. Some excuses given for the inability to unsubscribe me included: Due to Canadian Data Protection Law, I / LPI-UK can not view or alter the names on the mailing list. I can only make a formal request to LPI to remove you from the list. I was not the only person to experience this; see thread starting at: http://lists.gllug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug/2008-October/074599.html I received no apology for this at the time, and only later when someone brought up the incident again on a mailing list and I chipped in with my account of my experience did Bill apologise to me on behalf of LPI-UK. Unfortunately in that same email he called me a liar over my claim of receiving duplicates of the same marketing. My mail box disagreed with him: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:19:01 -0500 From: Scott Lamberton slamber...@lpi.org Subject: Upcoming LPI Webcasts: December 17th Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:22:03 + From: Bill Quinn bill.qu...@lpi-uk.org Subject: [lpi-alumni-uk] Free LPI Webcasts As a result of this I personally will never have dealings with LPI-UK or Linux-IT. I have not experienced anything bad from any other LPI affiliate but since taking an LPI exam requires giving LPI your email, and LPI's privacy policy says they will share your details with their affiliates, I can't recommend that either. I hope that Linux-IT's understanding of customer service and the UK Data Protection Act has improved in the last ~16 months. As it happens I do hold several Linux and IT-related certifications, all of which are associated with more enterprisey corporations than LPI, and none of them aggressively market to me in this manner. Cheers, Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkvRe6sACgkQIJm2TL8VSQs+gwCfUVCJtQjP8gemVujHEnA2z/fk cp4AnRp3xaFsZ2M3HLL5nGuC9dJGU1yE =qrUk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:51:23AM +, Andy Smith wrote: Hi David, Apologies for the dupe - hit the wrong key in my mailer. :( Cheers, Andy signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
On 23/04/10 11:51, Andy Smith wrote: snip As a result of this I personally will never have dealings with LPI-UK or Linux-IT. I have not experienced anything bad from any other LPI affiliate but since taking an LPI exam requires giving LPI your email, and LPI's privacy policy says they will share your details with their affiliates, I can't recommend that either. I hope that Linux-IT's understanding of customer service and the UK Data Protection Act has improved in the last ~16 months. As it happens I do hold several Linux and IT-related certifications, all of which are associated with more enterprisey corporations than LPI, and none of them aggressively market to me in this manner. Cheers, Andy That's certainly interesting to know, I was looking at possibly doing an LPI course, mainly because it appears the material is available online for free. I think if I do sign up though, I'll give them my hotmail address (where most of my junk mail goes). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
On 23/04/10 12:19, James Thomas wrote: Hi there, I have an LPIC 1 certification which I can say has been a help in job searches and also applications to emigrate. Also in having the LPIC 1 I was awarded 2 further awards from Novell, as they deemed it that the course covered the knowledge needed for those exams... That's interesting, did you have to go through Novell to get the 2 further awards or was this done automatically when you passed the exams? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
I received notifications that I had qualified. Had to log into Novell site and give my LPIC number and that was all. On Apr 23, 2010 2:39 PM, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: On 23/04/10 12:19, James Thomas wrote: Hi there, I have an LPIC 1 certification which I can sa... That's interesting, did you have to go through Novell to get the 2 further awards or was this done automatically when you passed the exams? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.c... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
Hi I also read here http://www.lpi.org/eng/about_lpi/what_s_new/comptia_and_lpi_join_forces_to_advance_global_linux_workforce That if you complete the CompTIA Linux+ Powered by LPI certification, you also automatically qualify for the LPIC1, and I assume by association you would also get the Novell qualifications? Les On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 18:16 +0100, James Thomas wrote: I received notifications that I had qualified. Had to log into Novell site and give my LPIC number and that was all. On Apr 23, 2010 2:39 PM, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: On 23/04/10 12:19, James Thomas wrote: Hi there, I have an LPIC 1 certification which I can sa... That's interesting, did you have to go through Novell to get the 2 further awards or was this done automatically when you passed the exams? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.c... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
Thank you guys. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Bill Quinn bill.qu...@linuxit.com wrote: John You need to put the question in context. What is the man command used for? A) It displays information about the syntax for a command. B) It is the replacement for the boy command. C) It is a standard alias to ls -la ¦ more. D) It is used to display formatted HTML pages. With all IT Certification Exams I have seen or taken (Microsoft, Cisco, ITIL, Novell), there is usually one answer which you can discount. I would interpret this sample question as demonstrating that point, albeit in a very obvious manner. Some of the other questions at http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program/lpic_1/exam_101_sample_questionsare less obvious. For example: What command sends the output of cmd1 to the input of cmd2? A) cmd1 ¦ cmd2 B) cmd1 ¦¦ cmd2 C) cmd1 cmd2 D) cmd1 ; cmd2 E) cmd1 cmd2 Bill -- *From:* ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] *On Behalf Of *John Stevenson *Sent:* 19 April 2010 16:06 *To:* UK Ubuntu Talk *Subject:* Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+ On 19 April 2010 15:03, David david.lut...@gmail.com wrote: What does everybody think about these certifications? Is one of them better to have, and are they both up to date? http://www.lpi.org/certification http://www.comptia.org/certifications/listed/linux.aspx Some sample questions for the LPI remind me of a TV phone in quiz What is the man command used for? *B)* It is the replacement for the boy command. To answer the question, I agree that LPI is the certification most talked about. I am a little dubious about certification as it usually tests memory rather than understanding. If you are starting out as a Linux admin, it is useful to have for your CV though. -- John Stevenson jr0cket.com leanagilemachine.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- David Lutton e: david.lut...@gmail.com m: 07792 560341 h: 01245 226837 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
What does everybody think about these certifications? Is one of them better to have, and are they both up to date? http://www.lpi.org/certification http://www.comptia.org/certifications/listed/linux.aspx -- David Lutton m: 07792 560341 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 15:03 +0100, David wrote: What does everybody think about these certifications? Is one of them better to have, and are they both up to date? http://www.lpi.org/certification http://www.comptia.org/certifications/listed/linux.aspx -- David Lutton m: 07792 560341 Lpic is the more massively recognise cert. Comptia's name is known but more for the a+, network+ certs than linux+ Both will be archaic and up-to-date so that it covers everything you might come across. By up-to-date I'm talking last 2-3 years rather than the latest ubuntu/debian/red-hat/opensuse versions. -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
All Linux+ is now powered by LPI. See the press release from last week: http://lpi.org/eng/about_lpi/what_s_new/comptia_and_lpi_join_forces_to_a dvance_global_linux_workforce Bill -Original Message- From: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Dave Morley Sent: 19 April 2010 15:11 To: UK Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+ On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 15:03 +0100, David wrote: What does everybody think about these certifications? Is one of them better to have, and are they both up to date? http://www.lpi.org/certification http://www.comptia.org/certifications/listed/linux.aspx -- David Lutton m: 07792 560341 Lpic is the more massively recognise cert. Comptia's name is known but more for the a+, network+ certs than linux+ Both will be archaic and up-to-date so that it covers everything you might come across. By up-to-date I'm talking last 2-3 years rather than the latest ubuntu/debian/red-hat/opensuse versions. -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
On 19 April 2010 15:03, David david.lut...@gmail.com wrote: What does everybody think about these certifications? Is one of them better to have, and are they both up to date? http://www.lpi.org/certification http://www.comptia.org/certifications/listed/linux.aspx Some sample questions for the LPI remind me of a TV phone in quiz What is the man command used for? *B)* It is the replacement for the boy command. To answer the question, I agree that LPI is the certification most talked about. I am a little dubious about certification as it usually tests memory rather than understanding. If you are starting out as a Linux admin, it is useful to have for your CV though. -- John Stevenson jr0cket.com leanagilemachine.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+
John You need to put the question in context. What is the man command used for? A) It displays information about the syntax for a command. B) It is the replacement for the boy command. C) It is a standard alias to ls -la | more. D) It is used to display formatted HTML pages. With all IT Certification Exams I have seen or taken (Microsoft, Cisco, ITIL, Novell), there is usually one answer which you can discount. I would interpret this sample question as demonstrating that point, albeit in a very obvious manner. Some of the other questions at http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program/lpic_1/exam_101_sa mple_questions are less obvious. For example: What command sends the output of cmd1 to the input of cmd2? A) cmd1 | cmd2 B) cmd1 || cmd2 C) cmd1 cmd2 D) cmd1 ; cmd2 E) cmd1 cmd2 Bill From: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of John Stevenson Sent: 19 April 2010 16:06 To: UK Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] LPIC vs CompTIA Linux+ On 19 April 2010 15:03, David david.lut...@gmail.com wrote: What does everybody think about these certifications? Is one of them better to have, and are they both up to date? http://www.lpi.org/certification http://www.comptia.org/certifications/listed/linux.aspx Some sample questions for the LPI remind me of a TV phone in quiz What is the man command used for? B) It is the replacement for the boy command. To answer the question, I agree that LPI is the certification most talked about. I am a little dubious about certification as it usually tests memory rather than understanding. If you are starting out as a Linux admin, it is useful to have for your CV though. -- John Stevenson jr0cket.com leanagilemachine.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
