Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
Jai Harrison wrote: > What if I did not have an e-mail address available to me? It seems in > that case my right to access the source would have been withdrawn from > me. > > Surely thats just splitting hairs? I'm pretty sure anyone can get access to AN email account whether it be yours or otherwise. You can still get open access to it :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
The GPL v2 says b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, This to me says they have to provide me with a CD, at a cost to myself, priced by how much it costs to make the CD. Now I may not read english, but that doesn't mean I should still be denied the freedom to obtain the source. I would just consult someone who could. Ciarán -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
Jai Harrison said the following on 14/05/08 22:45: > What if I did not have an e-mail address available to me? It seems in > that case my right to access the source would have been withdrawn from > me. > What if you were homeless and living on the streets, with no computer? How much effort do they need to put in to tracking you down to give you a copy of the source? IMO, It is not unreasonable to assume that someone with a computer has an email address. Chris Oattes. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 22:45 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: > What if I did not have an e-mail address available to me? It seems in > that case my right to access the source would have been withdrawn from > me. You could give DeviceVM a ring at +1.408.861.1088, or visit their office at 1054 S. De Anza Blvd, Suite 200 San Jose, CA, 95129 U.S.A or use their contact form on the website to politely ask for a copy of the source code. On a more serious note, I think that is an invalid comment to make. More than 99% of the world population lives without internet access, thus they cannot access any source code whatsoever. Is Linux less open because my grandmother can't read English, thus the source code has to be translated for her? Xuan You -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
What if I did not have an e-mail address available to me? It seems in that case my right to access the source would have been withdrawn from me. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:35 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I'm having trouble identifying if this is free software or not. >> >> I took a look on Wikipedia and it stated that it is a "proprietary >> model", whatever that means. Then I took a look at the website and it >> requires you to provide them with personal details to be sent a link, >> by e-mail, to the source. >> >> The Wikipedia article seems to link to an e-mailed ID access to the >> source. So I downloaded the source that is provided but my poor >> programming experience means I was unable to identify if it is >> complete or not. >> >> One thing I would note is that the software is covered by the GPL >> license yet they require you to provide them with an e-mail address to >> be given access to it. >> >> Motherboards have been sold with this software on, right? If that's >> the case then surely this is a violation of the GPL. >> >> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Chris Rowson wrote: I know many of you probably read Slashdot, but just in case you missed it, what do you think of this news? Basically, Asus are going to have a Linux desktop pre-installed onto a chip on every motherboard they sell. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/14/173220 ""We first heard about Splashtop back in October, when the instant-on Linux desktop was announced. At the time it was a really exciting concept but Asus only rolled out the technology on high-end motherboards. Splashtop just announced that Asus will be expanding the desktop to the P5Q motherboard family and later on to all Asus motherboards. That's embedded Linux shipping over over a million motherboards a month! The release also mentioned that the technology will be appearing on notebooks this year as well." Good eh? Chris >>> >>> That's good news. I heard bits about this when I was looking for an >>> upgrade earlier on this year, unfortanately it didn't cover the mid >>> range boards I was looking at. >>> >>> Still, sounds promising. >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ >>> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ >> > > IANAL, but I think that the GPL requires people who want the source to > be given access to it. You have gained access to it, and although this > is not as 'open' as putting it up for download straight off the site, > the source has been given to you. > > I would not be surprised if it does include some proprietary bits, the > EEE for example has a relatively large amount of proprietary stuff > built into the os. > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
Quoting Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm having trouble identifying if this is free software or not. > > I took a look on Wikipedia and it stated that it is a "proprietary > model", whatever that means. Then I took a look at the website and it > requires you to provide them with personal details to be sent a link, > by e-mail, to the source. > > The Wikipedia article seems to link to an e-mailed ID access to the > source. So I downloaded the source that is provided but my poor > programming experience means I was unable to identify if it is > complete or not. > > One thing I would note is that the software is covered by the GPL > license yet they require you to provide them with an e-mail address to > be given access to it. > > Motherboards have been sold with this software on, right? If that's > the case then surely this is a violation of the GPL. > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Chris Rowson wrote: >>> I know many of you probably read Slashdot, but just in case you missed >>> it, what do you think of this news? Basically, Asus are going to have >>> a Linux desktop pre-installed onto a chip on every motherboard they >>> sell. >>> >>> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/14/173220 >>> >>> ""We first heard about Splashtop back in October, when the instant-on >>> Linux desktop was announced. At the time it was a really exciting >>> concept but Asus only rolled out the technology on high-end >>> motherboards. Splashtop just announced that Asus will be expanding the >>> desktop to the P5Q motherboard family and later on to all Asus >>> motherboards. That's embedded Linux shipping over over a million >>> motherboards a month! The release also mentioned that the technology >>> will be appearing on notebooks this year as well." >>> >>> Good eh? >>> >>> Chris >>> >> >> That's good news. I heard bits about this when I was looking for an >> upgrade earlier on this year, unfortanately it didn't cover the mid >> range boards I was looking at. >> >> Still, sounds promising. >> >> Rob >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ >> > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > IANAL, but I think that the GPL requires people who want the source to be given access to it. You have gained access to it, and although this is not as 'open' as putting it up for download straight off the site, the source has been given to you. I would not be surprised if it does include some proprietary bits, the EEE for example has a relatively large amount of proprietary stuff built into the os. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm having trouble identifying if this is free software or not. > > I took a look on Wikipedia and it stated that it is a "proprietary > model", whatever that means. Then I took a look at the website and it > requires you to provide them with personal details to be sent a link, > by e-mail, to the source. > > The Wikipedia article seems to link to an e-mailed ID access to the > source. So I downloaded the source that is provided but my poor > programming experience means I was unable to identify if it is > complete or not. > > One thing I would note is that the software is covered by the GPL > license yet they require you to provide them with an e-mail address to > be given access to it. > > Motherboards have been sold with this software on, right? If that's > the case then surely this is a violation of the GPL. > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Chris Rowson wrote: >>> I know many of you probably read Slashdot, but just in case you missed >>> it, what do you think of this news? Basically, Asus are going to have >>> a Linux desktop pre-installed onto a chip on every motherboard they >>> sell. >>> >>> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/14/173220 >>> >>> ""We first heard about Splashtop back in October, when the instant-on >>> Linux desktop was announced. At the time it was a really exciting >>> concept but Asus only rolled out the technology on high-end >>> motherboards. Splashtop just announced that Asus will be expanding the >>> desktop to the P5Q motherboard family and later on to all Asus >>> motherboards. That's embedded Linux shipping over over a million >>> motherboards a month! The release also mentioned that the technology >>> will be appearing on notebooks this year as well." >>> >>> Good eh? >>> >>> Chris >>> >> >> That's good news. I heard bits about this when I was looking for an >> upgrade earlier on this year, unfortanately it didn't cover the mid >> range boards I was looking at. >> >> Still, sounds promising. >> >> Rob >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ >> > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > Its nothing to restrict it, they use it for collecting figures, and asking if you want to join a Dev mailing list. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Company No. 6135915 Registered in England -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
I'm having trouble identifying if this is free software or not. I took a look on Wikipedia and it stated that it is a "proprietary model", whatever that means. Then I took a look at the website and it requires you to provide them with personal details to be sent a link, by e-mail, to the source. The Wikipedia article seems to link to an e-mailed ID access to the source. So I downloaded the source that is provided but my poor programming experience means I was unable to identify if it is complete or not. One thing I would note is that the software is covered by the GPL license yet they require you to provide them with an e-mail address to be given access to it. Motherboards have been sold with this software on, right? If that's the case then surely this is a violation of the GPL. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Rowson wrote: >> I know many of you probably read Slashdot, but just in case you missed >> it, what do you think of this news? Basically, Asus are going to have >> a Linux desktop pre-installed onto a chip on every motherboard they >> sell. >> >> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/14/173220 >> >> ""We first heard about Splashtop back in October, when the instant-on >> Linux desktop was announced. At the time it was a really exciting >> concept but Asus only rolled out the technology on high-end >> motherboards. Splashtop just announced that Asus will be expanding the >> desktop to the P5Q motherboard family and later on to all Asus >> motherboards. That's embedded Linux shipping over over a million >> motherboards a month! The release also mentioned that the technology >> will be appearing on notebooks this year as well." >> >> Good eh? >> >> Chris >> > > That's good news. I heard bits about this when I was looking for an > upgrade earlier on this year, unfortanately it didn't cover the mid > range boards I was looking at. > > Still, sounds promising. > > Rob > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
Chris Rowson wrote: > I know many of you probably read Slashdot, but just in case you missed > it, what do you think of this news? Basically, Asus are going to have > a Linux desktop pre-installed onto a chip on every motherboard they > sell. > > http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/14/173220 > > ""We first heard about Splashtop back in October, when the instant-on > Linux desktop was announced. At the time it was a really exciting > concept but Asus only rolled out the technology on high-end > motherboards. Splashtop just announced that Asus will be expanding the > desktop to the P5Q motherboard family and later on to all Asus > motherboards. That's embedded Linux shipping over over a million > motherboards a month! The release also mentioned that the technology > will be appearing on notebooks this year as well." > > Good eh? > > Chris > That's good news. I heard bits about this when I was looking for an upgrade earlier on this year, unfortanately it didn't cover the mid range boards I was looking at. Still, sounds promising. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
- Original message - From: Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: British Ubuntu Talk Sent: Wed, 14 May 2008, 18:41:12 UTC Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard I know many of you probably read Slashdot, but just in case you missed it, what do you think of this news? Basically, Asus are going to have a Linux desktop pre-installed onto a chip on every motherboard they sell. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/14/173220 ""We first heard about Splashtop back in October, when the instant-on Linux desktop was announced. At the time it was a really exciting concept but Asus only rolled out the technology on high-end motherboards. Splashtop just announced that Asus will be expanding the desktop to the P5Q motherboard family and later on to all Asus motherboards. That's embedded Linux shipping over over a million motherboards a month! The release also mentioned that the technology will be appearing on notebooks this year as well." Good eh? Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Very cool, it seemed to big news about a year ago, but then fizzled out. Asus look to be getting involved with a lot of linuxy things recently. Mj -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
> I know many of you probably read Slashdot, but just in case you missed > it, what do you think of this news? Basically, Asus are going to have > a Linux desktop pre-installed onto a chip on every motherboard they > sell. There's a quick video overview of the system here: http://www.splashtop.com/index.php -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Linux to appear on every Asus motherboard
I know many of you probably read Slashdot, but just in case you missed it, what do you think of this news? Basically, Asus are going to have a Linux desktop pre-installed onto a chip on every motherboard they sell. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/14/173220 ""We first heard about Splashtop back in October, when the instant-on Linux desktop was announced. At the time it was a really exciting concept but Asus only rolled out the technology on high-end motherboards. Splashtop just announced that Asus will be expanding the desktop to the P5Q motherboard family and later on to all Asus motherboards. That's embedded Linux shipping over over a million motherboards a month! The release also mentioned that the technology will be appearing on notebooks this year as well." Good eh? Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
