Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Nick Brandon]

On 11 Jul 2010, at 21:32, Alan Bell wrote:

> I am quite interested in the running from memory concept, I guess you
> are somehow copying the entire CD to a ramdisk or something and mounting
> that over the filesystem, thereby trading a bit of loading time for it
> running like a greased whippet when fully loaded. This sounds to me like
> it might be a worthy performance compromise and give a rather good
> impression to the new user. I would rather stick to the standard
> packages and configuration though (maybe dropping something if more room
> is needed for the in-memory CD thing) if you have improvements to the
> base configuration then the best thing to do is to work on getting them
> into the main CD, there are sessions at UDS where everyone can
> participate on deciding what goes in.
> 
> Alan.
> 

I share your thoughts, hence my previous email saying it was a tweak rather 
than a derivative. It will be pretty much based on the official configuration 
except removing a few items that are not in use (non-english language packs for 
example) to reduce memory footprint.

Thanks
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Alan Bell]

I am quite interested in the running from memory concept, I guess you
are somehow copying the entire CD to a ramdisk or something and mounting
that over the filesystem, thereby trading a bit of loading time for it
running like a greased whippet when fully loaded. This sounds to me like
it might be a worthy performance compromise and give a rather good
impression to the new user. I would rather stick to the standard
packages and configuration though (maybe dropping something if more room
is needed for the in-memory CD thing) if you have improvements to the
base configuration then the best thing to do is to work on getting them
into the main CD, there are sessions at UDS where everyone can
participate on deciding what goes in.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Liam Proven]

On 6 July 2010 20:40, Nick Brandon  wrote:
> Over the past few weeks I've been adapting the live CD, trying out a number 
> of different configurations. Ultimately I'd like it to be more useable "out 
> of the box" for me as a UK user and genuinely I'm quite pleased with the 
> results.
>
> I'm toying with the idea of making it available to the wider public to see if 
> it would be useful for other new users of ubuntu. Before doing that however, 
> I'd like a few people to try it out and report their feedback.
>
> Has anyone got a recommendation on where would be best to promote it so I 
> could find, say 20 - 30 to make it reasonable, volunteers to try it out?
>
> That being said if anyone here would be interested in trying it out it please 
> send me an email. It wouldn't take more than 30 - 60 mins and all you need is 
> a laptop/desktop PC with a DVD drive and preferably 2GB of memory.

Just a small note of caution...

I suspect that quite a few of the things that really enhance the
Ubuntu experience can't be implemented on a LiveCD or can't be
implemented for legal reasons. E.g., proprietary hardware drivers,
Flash, MP3, Quicktime, DVD support and so on.

The other more general point is to understand that /your/ enhancements
are not everybody's. I think Ubuntu's choice of components has been
very carefully chosen to be nicely generic. The "utimate edition", for
instance, contains a lot of what I would consider to be bloatware and
crap.
http://ultimateedition.info/

The whole point of Ubuntu was that it contained one single
best-of-breed example of each category of application: one office
suite, one browser, one media player, etc. This is one of the reasons
it's succeeded, in the face of many competing distros which offer 12
desktops, 6 web browsers, 4 word processors, 86 calculators and so on.

Adding back in the complexity that Ubuntu's designers carefully
removed is /not/ improving the distro.

Terrible kludgeware such as Automatix only recreated this problem.

So be very very careful selecting what you think are essential
additions and improvements. You might find many people would disagree
with you and you will end up detracting from Ubuntu's essential
simplicity, cleanness and elegance.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers (pete)

[Dino T.]

I'm interested, but what tweaks have you made? Just the main ones will do.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[pete]

On 06/07/10 22:15, Bruce Beardall wrote:
> I'd be happy to give it a go.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On 6 July 2010 20:40, Nick Brandon
>  > wrote:
>
> Over the past few weeks I've been adapting the live CD, trying out a
> number of different configurations. Ultimately I'd like it to be
> more useable "out of the box" for me as a UK user and genuinely I'm
> quite pleased with the results.
>
> I'm toying with the idea of making it available to the wider public
> to see if it would be useful for other new users of ubuntu. Before
> doing that however, I'd like a few people to try it out and report
> their feedback.
>
> Has anyone got a recommendation on where would be best to promote it
> so I could find, say 20 - 30 to make it reasonable, volunteers to
> try it out?
>
> That being said if anyone here would be interested in trying it out
> it please send me an email. It wouldn't take more than 30 - 60 mins
> and all you need is a laptop/desktop PC with a DVD drive and
> preferably 2GB of memory.
>
> Thanks
> Nick
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>
Hi,

Not exactly new to ubuntu but i live in uk and would be willing to try 
your tweaked version!

Good luck!

Pete


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Nick Brandon]

On 6 Jul 2010, at 23:07, Alan Pope wrote:

> On 6 July 2010 22:37, Nick Brandon  wrote:
>> * Runs ubuntu from memory rather than DVD
> 
> Interesting, do you mean USB stick or it loads into RAM? I am guessing
> the latter since you recommend 2GB RAM. Doesn't that leave a lot less
> RAM for actual applications to use though?
> 
>> * Up to date packages (all updates since the April 2010 official CD)
> 
> That's handy, although as Lucid is an LTS there will be an updated
> 10.04.1 available on the 29th of this month.
> 
>> * A few changes to the installed applications and packages
>> 
> 
> Such as?
> 
>> ... and the rest you are welcome to discover if you wish to try it out!
>> 
> 
> Whilst we all like a surprise, I'd rather not have to download a 700MB
> file to find out something is completely useless to me. Pretty much
> every Ubuntu derivative at least has a summary page of what the
> changes made are, and the benefits of those changes. :)
> 
> Also, if it's that good why don't you use it? :)
> 
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> ;)
> 

I do but it just so happens I have email setup up on another computer :)

I would not go so far as calling it a derivative but rather a tweak to the 
official release. The objective to provide the best experience for new users to 
showcase the capabilities of ubuntu/linux. 

The emphasis is 'new users' and it is with that in mind that I would appreciate 
volunteers to try it out and report their feedback, including applications or 
packages they would like to see included (or vice-versa removed).

Did you have any specific recommendations on which IRC channels or mailing 
lists to use?

Thanks
Nick

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Alan Pope]

On 6 July 2010 22:37, Nick Brandon  wrote:
> * Runs ubuntu from memory rather than DVD

Interesting, do you mean USB stick or it loads into RAM? I am guessing
the latter since you recommend 2GB RAM. Doesn't that leave a lot less
RAM for actual applications to use though?

> * Up to date packages (all updates since the April 2010 official CD)

That's handy, although as Lucid is an LTS there will be an updated
10.04.1 available on the 29th of this month.

> * A few changes to the installed applications and packages
>

Such as?

> ... and the rest you are welcome to discover if you wish to try it out!
>

Whilst we all like a surprise, I'd rather not have to download a 700MB
file to find out something is completely useless to me. Pretty much
every Ubuntu derivative at least has a summary page of what the
changes made are, and the benefits of those changes. :)

Also, if it's that good why don't you use it? :)

Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081)
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:37:46 +0100
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X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081)

;)

Cheers,
Al.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Nick Brandon]

On 6 Jul 2010, at 20:51, Alan Pope wrote:

> 
> I'd start with a blog, twitter, identica, facebook, irc channels,
> mailing lists (like this one) and work from there.
> 

Good ideas. Presumably you mean starting a blog, twitter or facebook account? I 
would require a "following" in the first place though. 

Can you recommend specific IRC channels or mailing lists to use?

Thanks
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Nick Brandon]

On 6 Jul 2010, at 20:49, Gordon wrote:

> 
> So what's the difference between your live CD and the official Ubuntu one?
> 

Hi Gordon,

Good question, key differences - so far ;)

* Runs ubuntu from memory rather than DVD
* Keyboard and timezone set for the UK 
* Up to date packages (all updates since the April 2010 official CD) 
* A few changes to the installed applications and packages

... and the rest you are welcome to discover if you wish to try it out!

Thanks
Nick


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Bruce Beardall]

I'd be happy to give it a go.

Cheers

Bruce


On 6 July 2010 20:40, Nick Brandon  wrote:

> Over the past few weeks I've been adapting the live CD, trying out a number
> of different configurations. Ultimately I'd like it to be more useable "out
> of the box" for me as a UK user and genuinely I'm quite pleased with the
> results.
>
> I'm toying with the idea of making it available to the wider public to see
> if it would be useful for other new users of ubuntu. Before doing that
> however, I'd like a few people to try it out and report their feedback.
>
> Has anyone got a recommendation on where would be best to promote it so I
> could find, say 20 - 30 to make it reasonable, volunteers to try it out?
>
> That being said if anyone here would be interested in trying it out it
> please send me an email. It wouldn't take more than 30 - 60 mins and all you
> need is a laptop/desktop PC with a DVD drive and preferably 2GB of memory.
>
> Thanks
> Nick
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Rob Collett]

Me too Nick.

All the best

Rob Collett

Sent from my iPhone

On 6 Jul 2010, at 20:57, Rob Beard  wrote:

> On 06/07/10 20:40, Nick Brandon wrote:
>> Over the past few weeks I've been adapting the live CD, trying out a number 
>> of different configurations. Ultimately I'd like it to be more useable "out 
>> of the box" for me as a UK user and genuinely I'm quite pleased with the 
>> results.
>> 
>> I'm toying with the idea of making it available to the wider public to see 
>> if it would be useful for other new users of ubuntu. Before doing that 
>> however, I'd like a few people to try it out and report their feedback.
>> 
>> Has anyone got a recommendation on where would be best to promote it so I 
>> could find, say 20 - 30 to make it reasonable, volunteers to try it out?
>> 
>> That being said if anyone here would be interested in trying it out it 
>> please send me an email. It wouldn't take more than 30 - 60 mins and all you 
>> need is a laptop/desktop PC with a DVD drive and preferably 2GB of memory.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Nick
> 
> Hi Nick,
> 
> I'd certainly be interested.
> 
> Rob
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Rob Beard]

On 06/07/10 20:40, Nick Brandon wrote:
> Over the past few weeks I've been adapting the live CD, trying out a number 
> of different configurations. Ultimately I'd like it to be more useable "out 
> of the box" for me as a UK user and genuinely I'm quite pleased with the 
> results.
>
> I'm toying with the idea of making it available to the wider public to see if 
> it would be useful for other new users of ubuntu. Before doing that however, 
> I'd like a few people to try it out and report their feedback.
>
> Has anyone got a recommendation on where would be best to promote it so I 
> could find, say 20 - 30 to make it reasonable, volunteers to try it out?
>
> That being said if anyone here would be interested in trying it out it please 
> send me an email. It wouldn't take more than 30 - 60 mins and all you need is 
> a laptop/desktop PC with a DVD drive and preferably 2GB of memory.
>
> Thanks
> Nick

Hi Nick,

I'd certainly be interested.

Rob


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Alan Pope]

On 6 July 2010 20:40, Nick Brandon  wrote:
> Has anyone got a recommendation on where would be best to promote it so I 
> could find, say 20 - 30 to make it reasonable, volunteers to try it out?
>

Only if you specify what the changes are :)

I'd start with a blog, twitter, identica, facebook, irc channels,
mailing lists (like this one) and work from there.

Cheers,
Al.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Gordon]

On 06/07/2010 20:40, Nick Brandon wrote:
> Over the past few weeks I've been adapting the live CD, trying out a number 
> of different configurations. Ultimately I'd like it to be more useable "out 
> of the box" for me as a UK user and genuinely I'm quite pleased with the 
> results.
>
> I'm toying with the idea of making it available to the wider public to see if 
> it would be useful for other new users of ubuntu. Before doing that however, 
> I'd like a few people to try it out and report their feedback.
>
> Has anyone got a recommendation on where would be best to promote it so I 
> could find, say 20 - 30 to make it reasonable, volunteers to try it out?
>
> That being said if anyone here would be interested in trying it out it please 
> send me an email. It wouldn't take more than 30 - 60 mins and all you need is 
> a laptop/desktop PC with a DVD drive and preferably 2GB of memory.
>
> Thanks
> Nick

So what's the difference between your live CD and the official Ubuntu one?


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[ubuntu-uk] Looking for volunteers

[Nick Brandon]

Over the past few weeks I've been adapting the live CD, trying out a number of 
different configurations. Ultimately I'd like it to be more useable "out of the 
box" for me as a UK user and genuinely I'm quite pleased with the results.

I'm toying with the idea of making it available to the wider public to see if 
it would be useful for other new users of ubuntu. Before doing that however, 
I'd like a few people to try it out and report their feedback.

Has anyone got a recommendation on where would be best to promote it so I could 
find, say 20 - 30 to make it reasonable, volunteers to try it out? 

That being said if anyone here would be interested in trying it out it please 
send me an email. It wouldn't take more than 30 - 60 mins and all you need is a 
laptop/desktop PC with a DVD drive and preferably 2GB of memory.

Thanks
Nick
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