Re: [ubuntu-uk] nvu
alan c wrote On 04/18/2007 06:05 PM: > Alan Pope wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0100, baz wrote: >> >>> According to their faq Nvu is still active: >>> http://www.nvu.com/faq.php#active >>> >>> >> Not really. Depends how you read it I guess. >> >> He is not developing nvu any more, but has started a whole new editor as I >> understand it. Which will be the "next generation HTML editor" as he puts >> it. >> > > from > http://forum.nvudev.org/index.php?sid=9d8045fe438f36ab67901175d16aaf3b > > 'KompoZer, the unofficial bug-fix temporary upgrade to Nvu until > the next version of Nvu is released.' > > Seamonkey Composer is supposed to have incorporated the alterations made in Nvu, though it probably hasn't tracked the changes to Nvu made by KompoZer. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] nvu
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 18:05 +0100, alan c wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0100, baz wrote: > >> According to their faq Nvu is still active: > >> http://www.nvu.com/faq.php#active > >> > > > > Not really. Depends how you read it I guess. > > > > He is not developing nvu any more, but has started a whole new editor as I > > understand it. Which will be the "next generation HTML editor" as he puts > > it. > > from > http://forum.nvudev.org/index.php?sid=9d8045fe438f36ab67901175d16aaf3b > > 'KompoZer, the unofficial bug-fix temporary upgrade to Nvu until > the next version of Nvu is released.' Never quite understood this approach. If the people behind NVU can't be bothered to fix it, make it clear that KompoZer is a fork and exists in its own right, develop it accordingly and leave all this NVU 'official'/'unofficial' business behind. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] nvu
Tony Arnold wrote: > Alan, > > Alan Pope wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0100, baz wrote: >>> According to their faq Nvu is still active: >>> http://www.nvu.com/faq.php#active >>> >> Not really. Depends how you read it I guess. >> >> He is not developing nvu any more, but has started a whole new editor as I >> understand it. Which will be the "next generation HTML editor" as he puts >> it. > > I still don't really understand why it has been dropped from the > repositories for Feisty. Any idea where I can find out how and when the > decision was taken? > It was dropped in debian because the maintainer asked for it to be as it was "Umaintained by upstream." The drop then presumably filtered down to Ubuntu. See http://bugs.debian.org/393065. Dean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] nvu
Alan Pope wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0100, baz wrote: >> According to their faq Nvu is still active: >> http://www.nvu.com/faq.php#active >> > > Not really. Depends how you read it I guess. > > He is not developing nvu any more, but has started a whole new editor as I > understand it. Which will be the "next generation HTML editor" as he puts > it. from http://forum.nvudev.org/index.php?sid=9d8045fe438f36ab67901175d16aaf3b 'KompoZer, the unofficial bug-fix temporary upgrade to Nvu until the next version of Nvu is released.' -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] nvu
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 16:55 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > Alan, > > Alan Pope wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0100, baz wrote: > >> According to their faq Nvu is still active: > >> http://www.nvu.com/faq.php#active > >> > > > > Not really. Depends how you read it I guess. > > > > He is not developing nvu any more, but has started a whole new editor as I > > understand it. Which will be the "next generation HTML editor" as he puts > > it. > > I still don't really understand why it has been dropped from the > repositories for Feisty. Any idea where I can find out how and when the > decision was taken? > Dunno but, AFAIK, it's buggy and hasn't been fixed. If that's the reason for dropping it, I wish they'd drop that piece of rubbish that is gFTP. Put this under significant load and it's crashing all over the place. Nightmare program. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] nvu
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 04:55:32PM +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > Alan, > > Alan Pope wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0100, baz wrote: > >> According to their faq Nvu is still active: > >> http://www.nvu.com/faq.php#active > >> > > > > Not really. Depends how you read it I guess. > > > > He is not developing nvu any more, but has started a whole new editor as I > > understand it. Which will be the "next generation HTML editor" as he puts > > it. > > I still don't really understand why it has been dropped from the > repositories for Feisty. Any idea where I can find out how and when the > decision was taken? > I guess that the author is not providing patches/fixes for it might be a factor. I am sure I saw a number of bug reports against it on launchpad. Maybe have a look there? Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] nvu
Alan, Alan Pope wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0100, baz wrote: >> According to their faq Nvu is still active: >> http://www.nvu.com/faq.php#active >> > > Not really. Depends how you read it I guess. > > He is not developing nvu any more, but has started a whole new editor as I > understand it. Which will be the "next generation HTML editor" as he puts > it. I still don't really understand why it has been dropped from the repositories for Feisty. Any idea where I can find out how and when the decision was taken? Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] nvu
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 15:08 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0100, baz wrote: > > According to their faq Nvu is still active: > > http://www.nvu.com/faq.php#active > > > > Not really. Depends how you read it I guess. > > He is not developing nvu any more, but has started a whole new editor as I > understand it. Which will be the "next generation HTML editor" as he puts > it. Well, it's a good little editor, so stick with it :) Baz -- + http://walkertopia.com Free Multi User Dungeon on line game: telnet walkertopia.com 4040 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] nvu
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0100, baz wrote: > According to their faq Nvu is still active: > http://www.nvu.com/faq.php#active > Not really. Depends how you read it I guess. He is not developing nvu any more, but has started a whole new editor as I understand it. Which will be the "next generation HTML editor" as he puts it. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] nvu
According to their faq Nvu is still active: http://www.nvu.com/faq.php#active Baz -- + http://walkertopia.com Free Multi User Dungeon on line game: telnet walkertopia.com 4040 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] NVU
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 12:04 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > > TheVeech wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 11:48 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > >> Dave Walker wrote: > >>> On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 08:22 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > baz wrote: > > > > Any idea why NVU is not in the repositories for Feisty? > > > >>> It's been dropped from the repositories as it is "Umaintained by > >>> upstream."[1] > >>> > >>> It hasn't been updated since 28-06-2005 however there is an > >>> unofficial bug-fix release called KompoZer[2], but that hasn't > >>> been updated since 2006-07-26. > >>> > >>> [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393065 [2] > >>> http://kompozer.net/ > >> That's a shame, I liked NVU! I'll have to look for a different html > >> editor now. Everyone seems to rave about Bluefish, but it's not > >> WYSIWYG so far as I can tell. > > > > Screem (http://www.screem.org/) is an excellent editor. You don't > > really need WYSIWYG, since it's easy to check things in your browser. > > In fact Screem's that good that I don't know why more people don't > > promote it. Bluefish is okay, but I'd choose Screem every time - > > there's nothing to stop you using/trying both. > > That appears not to have been touched since 2nd November 2005, at least > according to its project page on sourceforge. > > What has always irritated me in some editors is the difficulty of > removing or changing existing tags, and sometimes adding an opening and > closing tag around an existing piece of text. Maybe I've just never > figured it out, but this was dead easy in NVU. > > I'll keep playing! Quality isn't inevitably tied to the frequency of release dates! Bluefish appears to have been marketed better (they've got a little icon, anyway), but Screem's more efficient, according to its site. I tend to use both Bluefish and Screem, but default to the latter because I prefer the working environment. They're both good programs, though, so it pretty much boils down to horses for courses. Whatever editor you use, you'll come to depend upon some of its features. For any that you find lacking in a new app, you'll just work around them easily enough I'm sure. I never tried NVU because I was under the impression that it was aping Dreamweaver and I was never that keen on WYSIWYG because you tend to lose some control over your work. It's a good way to learn at first, though. Using these editors (Screem/Bluefish), you'll soon get the hang of them, and you should improve your coding, too. Be adventurous! These editors are a lot easier and more enjoyable to use than they seem at first. There are other alternatives (some quite twinky), but Bluefish and Screem are good, solid apps that do the job. If you do try both (and I'd recommend this), use them for a while and post your impressions. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] NVU
TheVeech wrote: > On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 11:48 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: >> Dave Walker wrote: >>> On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 08:22 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: baz wrote: Any idea why NVU is not in the repositories for Feisty? >>> It's been dropped from the repositories as it is "Umaintained by >>> upstream."[1] >>> >>> It hasn't been updated since 28-06-2005 however there is an >>> unofficial bug-fix release called KompoZer[2], but that hasn't >>> been updated since 2006-07-26. >>> >>> [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393065 [2] >>> http://kompozer.net/ >> That's a shame, I liked NVU! I'll have to look for a different html >> editor now. Everyone seems to rave about Bluefish, but it's not >> WYSIWYG so far as I can tell. > > Screem (http://www.screem.org/) is an excellent editor. You don't > really need WYSIWYG, since it's easy to check things in your browser. > In fact Screem's that good that I don't know why more people don't > promote it. Bluefish is okay, but I'd choose Screem every time - > there's nothing to stop you using/trying both. That appears not to have been touched since 2nd November 2005, at least according to its project page on sourceforge. What has always irritated me in some editors is the difficulty of removing or changing existing tags, and sometimes adding an opening and closing tag around an existing piece of text. Maybe I've just never figured it out, but this was dead easy in NVU. I'll keep playing! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] NVU (was: upgrade to Fiesty)
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 11:48 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > > Dave Walker wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 08:22 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > >> baz wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Any idea why NVU is not in the repositories for Feisty? > >> > >> > > > > It's been dropped from the repositories as it is "Umaintained by > > upstream."[1] > > > > It hasn't been updated since 28-06-2005 however there is an unofficial > > bug-fix release called KompoZer[2], but that hasn't been updated since > > 2006-07-26. > > > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393065 > > [2] http://kompozer.net/ > > That's a shame, I liked NVU! I'll have to look for a different html > editor now. Everyone seems to rave about Bluefish, but it's not WYSIWYG > so far as I can tell. Screem (http://www.screem.org/) is an excellent editor. You don't really need WYSIWYG, since it's easy to check things in your browser. In fact Screem's that good that I don't know why more people don't promote it. Bluefish is okay, but I'd choose Screem every time - there's nothing to stop you using/trying both. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] NVU (was: upgrade to Fiesty)
Dave Walker wrote: > On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 08:22 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: >> baz wrote: >> >> >> >> Any idea why NVU is not in the repositories for Feisty? >> >> > > It's been dropped from the repositories as it is "Umaintained by > upstream."[1] > > It hasn't been updated since 28-06-2005 however there is an unofficial > bug-fix release called KompoZer[2], but that hasn't been updated since > 2006-07-26. > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393065 > [2] http://kompozer.net/ That's a shame, I liked NVU! I'll have to look for a different html editor now. Everyone seems to rave about Bluefish, but it's not WYSIWYG so far as I can tell. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
