[ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
Daniel, I have read your idea and seen your new website. I have to question your intentions with this site considering what you have done previously and I think it is also important that others are aware of this as by signing up, it may well affect them too. In no way do I mean this as any kind of personal attack, but I think your previous actions with web hosting raise serious concerns! Daniel Case used to run the joggerwiki site. The joggler still has a good following, but the wiki is now run by a cybersquatter who Daniel sold the wiki to.. .. for $150.. along with user details and password hashes etc. Rather than go over the story.. you can read it here. http://bliterness.blogspot.com/2010/11/joggler-wiki-has-moved.html How can anyone be sure that your new website idea is not just another gather users and "traffic" and sell it on again ? the most annoying thing is the site you sold on to the squatters, still has the traffic ranking, and fakes itself to be a wiki which it is not, and people cannot find the real resurrected wiki any longer. if desperate for money ($150?) you could have contacted others in the community... you didn't.. Perhaps this was one massive mistake, but looking at your "sales" talk on the page, it sends a massive warning to me, and hopefully other people, and I would recommend anyone who already signed up on your new site to make sure they haven't used their user credentials elsewhere. ps. the new joggler wiki is up @ http://www.jogglerwiki.com Jools -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 17:32 +, Jon Spriggs wrote: > Actually, I was under the impression that the stack exchange software > (which drives stack overflow and askubuntu and others) is Free > Software, albeit on a Windows and C# platform. It appears to run nginx on Linux, or at least its front-end load-balancer/proxy does: r...@server:~# nmap -sV -O askubuntu.com -p 23,22,21,80,81,443 Starting Nmap 5.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2010-11-18 17:39 GMT Interesting ports on stackoverflow.com (64.34.119.12): PORTSTATESERVICE VERSION 21/tcp filtered ftp 22/tcp filtered ssh 23/tcp filtered telnet 80/tcp closed http 81/tcp filtered hosts2-ns 443/tcp open ssl/http nginx web server 0.7.65 Device type: general purpose|WAP|router|firewall|webcam Running (JUST GUESSING) : Linux 2.6.X|2.4.X (92%), D-Link embedded (91%), Linksys embedded (91%), Peplink embedded (91%), Check Point Linux 2.4.X (88%), MikroTik RouterOS 3.X (87%), Linksys Linux 2.4.X (86%), AXIS Linux 2.6.X (85%) Aggressive OS guesses: Linux 2.6.15 - 2.6.24 (92%), D-Link DSA-3100 or Linksys WRT54GL (DD-WRT v23) WAP, or Peplink Balance 30 router (91%), Linux 2.6.22 (91%), Linux 2.6.24 - 2.6.28 (89%), Check Point VPN-1 UTM appliance (88%), Linux 2.6.18 - 2.6.27 (88%), Linux 2.6.9 - 2.6.26 (88%), Linux 2.4.21 - 2.4.31 (likely embedded) (87%), Linux 2.6.15 - 2.6.23 (embedded) (87%), Linux 2.6.22 (Fedora Core 6) (87%) No exact OS matches for host (test conditions non-ideal). OS and Service detection performed. Please report any incorrect results at http://nmap.org/submit/ . Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 19.44 seconds Regards, Tyler -- "No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices." -- Edward R. Murrow -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
Actually, I was under the impression that the stack exchange software (which drives stack overflow and askubuntu and others) is Free Software, albeit on a Windows and C# platform. -- Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs Please excuse any top posting, typographical or gramatical errors and brevity, as this message has been written on my mobile device On 18 Nov 2010 16:30, "Alan Bell" wrote: On 18/11/10 16:16, Sean Miller wrote: > > I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I thin... it stands for Libre meaning freedom as opposed to the other sort of free which is means cheaper than cheap. That is the important meaning of Free, just in English the two meanings are expressed with one word, which is a bit unfortunate. The Liberty side of Free is what it is all about and that is where you will find the real business value of the software we are talking about. Personally I am not that fussed about making a Free platform for proprietary software developers to develop for. They can by all means do so if they want to, but it is their loss if they don't. I don't want to actively discourage proprietary vendors from targeting Ubuntu but I think the point in this instance is that there are loads of Free as in Liberty projects that do web forum answer tracking things and it might well be better to use one of them, improving it where necessary and contributing back the improvements. That said, askubuntu.com (proprietary platform that it is) seems to be doing a pretty good job in this area. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ub... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
On 18/11/10 16:16, Sean Miller wrote: > > I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I think that the > Linux commitment to Free Open Source Software (not sure what the 'L' > stands for in Mark's acronym) it stands for Libre meaning freedom as opposed to the other sort of free which is means cheaper than cheap. That is the important meaning of Free, just in English the two meanings are expressed with one word, which is a bit unfortunate. The Liberty side of Free is what it is all about and that is where you will find the real business value of the software we are talking about. Personally I am not that fussed about making a Free platform for proprietary software developers to develop for. They can by all means do so if they want to, but it is their loss if they don't. I don't want to actively discourage proprietary vendors from targeting Ubuntu but I think the point in this instance is that there are loads of Free as in Liberty projects that do web forum answer tracking things and it might well be better to use one of them, improving it where necessary and contributing back the improvements. That said, askubuntu.com (proprietary platform that it is) seems to be doing a pretty good job in this area. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
On 18 November 2010 11:47, Tony Scott wrote: > Hi Mark > > Just to clarify I said "Surely using an (sic!) FOSS system would be more > appropriate for a Linux Q&A site?". I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I think that the Linux commitment to Free Open Source Software (not sure what the 'L' stands for in Mark's acronym) can sometimes hold it back... encouraging proprietary software vendors to develop for Linux, alongside the Open Source community, is - imho - something we should be doing, rather than letting "the purists" put them off.Because it is often these proprietary vendors who have the software (at the time) that people want to use, and why should we let Microsoft steal even more of a march because we say "sorry, Gran Turismo isn't going to be available on this because..." (discuss!) Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
I agree with Alan C and the others who have said the URL itself sends out the wrong message... linuxsolutions.org is positive, linuxproblems.org just strengthens the resolve of those who argue that Linux "is a problem to have on your desktop", which I do not believe it is. Would Morrisons create a website called problems-with-morrisons.com ? Would Microsoft create a website called helpfultipsfortamingwindows.com? Would Abobe create a website called whydreamweaveraintcrap.com? Methinks not... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
Hi Mark Just to clarify I said "Surely using an (sic!) FOSS system would be more appropriate for a Linux Q&A site?". I did not say that FOSS must be used... Cheers -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://twitter.com/tonys | http://uk.wordcamp.org > >From: Mark Harrison >To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >Sent: Thu, 18 November, 2010 11:31:57 >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28 > >Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:56:46 + (GMT) > >From: Tony Scott >>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? >>To: UK Ubuntu Talk >>Message-ID: <726420.10698...@web29514.mail.ird.yahoo.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >>Hi Daniel >> >>Putting aside whether (yet) another such site is needed (as Alan has already >>commented), could I just point out the PHP script is not free - it appears to >be >>propriety code that requires payment http://www.answerscript.com/order.html >> >>There are plenty of open source systems that could do this sort of job, >>including WordPress http://wordpress.org/ >> >>Surely using an FOSS system would be more appropriate for a Linux Q&A site? >> >>Cheers >> >At the risk of being controversial. Now YOU are the one jumping to conclusions. > >Specifically, you are assuming that people use Linux because they care about >FLOSS principles. > >While there are, undoubtably, many people who use Linux for that reason... >... there are many others who use Linux because "it's cheap, just works and >doesn't get viruses." > > >One of the things that PUTS PEOPLE OFF Linux is the element in the community >who >preach them them about why they MUST use FLOSS software. > > >To turn to the question of "whether the world needs this": > >Whether or not there are genuinely 10,000 people a month with Linux problems >who >could use this site, I have no idea. That's the marvellous thing about freedom >on the Internet - anyone can, for a few quid, set up a website of their own. >Maybe this one will fail, but if the OpenSource movement has taught us >anything, >it's taught us that massive duplication of projects is overall a GOOD thing, >because the good ideas from one feed into the next. > > >And as for the URL giving the wrong message When did the LINUX community >turn into the thought police? I thought it was only Apple that worried about >things like that! > >Mark > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
On 17 November 2010 23:22, Daniel Case wrote: > Hi Tony, > > I am glad you brought that up as I am currently making a script to suit the > needs of the site (I am a PHP developer by profession) . I would like to > make it as unique as possible and add my own "spin" to the typical Q+A > scripts out there. > > I just wasn't really sure what sort of features would be appreciated in > such a site. The site was previously owned by someone else who gave it to me > as it was not doing very well. > > Daniel > > Hello Daniel, Whilst the site look great, it am struggling to understand the added value over stack exchange's askubuntu.com site. Stack Exchange have an established reputation and there are lots of active people on there giving really user friendly help. I often get beaten to give a good answer by other people. I am a little concerned that you wont get the momentum needed to get this site really active with this kind of competition and also as you mentioned the previous owner of the site was unable to do very well with it. If you have less momentum than askubuntu.com, then I would feel I was letting people down if I point them in the direction of your site over askubuntu.comas they would not necessarily get the best help. My appologies that I am unable to be more positive about you efforts. Perhaps you could go into the differentiators that would draw people to your site, both as people looking for answers and people willing to answer those problems in a easy to understand way. If you can find a way to make the site give lots of added value to people looking for answers (and people willing to give answers) then I will gladly do all I can to support your efforts. Thank you -- John Stevenson Lean Agile Consultant / Coach jr0cket.com | leanagilemachine.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
I think it is realistic and honest, no OS is without issues. Regards Jon On 18 Nov 2010 08:48, "alan c" wrote: > On 17/11/10 21:55, Daniel Case wrote: >> And I forgot to provide the link! >> http://www.linuxproblems.org > > I think this gives a negative message about Linux. > -- > alan cocks > Ubuntu user > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
On 17/11/10 21:55, Daniel Case wrote: > And I forgot to provide the link! > http://www.linuxproblems.org I think this gives a negative message about Linux. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
Hi Tony, I am glad you brought that up as I am currently making a script to suit the needs of the site (I am a PHP developer by profession) . I would like to make it as unique as possible and add my own "spin" to the typical Q+A scripts out there. I just wasn't really sure what sort of features would be appreciated in such a site. The site was previously owned by someone else who gave it to me as it was not doing very well. Daniel -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
Hi Daniel Putting aside whether (yet) another such site is needed (as Alan has already commented), could I just point out the PHP script is not free - it appears to be propriety code that requires payment http://www.answerscript.com/order.html There are plenty of open source systems that could do this sort of job, including WordPress http://wordpress.org/ Surely using an FOSS system would be more appropriate for a Linux Q&A site? Cheers -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://twitter.com/tonys | http://uk.wordcamp.org > >From: Daniel Case >To: UK Ubuntu Talk >Sent: Wed, 17 November, 2010 21:53:57 >Subject: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? > >Hi guys, > > >I have just launched a new Linux-based website like Yahoo answers (I got a >free >script) and could do with a little bit of feedback with modifications to make >and maybe some Ubuntu/Linux based images for the header (the current one is >the >default for the script...) > > >I could also do with some questions asked and answered to give it a >kick-start, >so if you know of anyone who could volunteer, want to volunteer yourself or >you >have a question about Ubuntu/Linux feel free to sign up and help :) > > >Daniel -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:42:55 + alan c wrote: > On 17/11/10 22:20, Daniel Case wrote: > > That's true, but out of the 10,000 people who Google for it. There > > have to be some people having problems with Linux? And as it grows > > it will rank for other certain problems and keywords. > > I would suggest that the stats are the result of hypothetical > questions. Part of the classic FUD is that users of linux have > 'problems'. These searches are probably from Microsoft marketing who > want to know about people suffering by using linux.. > > Windows users are beset by many problems. I do not believe they > search for the string 'Windows problems' when looking for answers. I > do not expect MAC or GNU/Linux users want to test 'Windows problems', > they don't care. No, but it wouldn't be that unexpected for someone to Google for "problems getting wifi to work in linux", would it? Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 17/11/10 22:20, Daniel Case wrote: > That's true, but out of the 10,000 people who Google for it. There have to > be some people having problems with Linux? And as it grows it will rank for > other certain problems and keywords. I would suggest that the stats are the result of hypothetical questions. Part of the classic FUD is that users of linux have 'problems'. These searches are probably from Microsoft marketing who want to know about people suffering by using linux.. Windows users are beset by many problems. I do not believe they search for the string 'Windows problems' when looking for answers. I do not expect MAC or GNU/Linux users want to test 'Windows problems', they don't care. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
I would add meego as one of the options (though it might be fedora, ill add it as a question). Maybe android? Hi guys, I have just launched a new Linux-based website like Yahoo answers (I got a free script) and could do with a little bit of feedback with modifications to make and maybe some Ubuntu/Linux based images for the header (the current one is the default for the script...) I could also do with some questions asked and answered to give it a kick-start, so if you know of anyone who could volunteer, want to volunteer yourself or you have a question about Ubuntu/Linux feel free to sign up and help :) Daniel -- Andrés Muñiz-Piniella -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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That's true, but out of the 10,000 people who Google for it. There have to be some people having problems with Linux? And as it grows it will rank for other certain problems and keywords. Daniel -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 17 November 2010 22:10, Daniel Case wrote: > I was looking at the Google keyword tool for gaps where people just get > caught in a dead end. 10,000 people search for "Linux Problems" every month, > but if you search it yourself, you can see that there is nothing that is > really of use (Like a Q&A site or a forum). You've made a leap from "people who google for 'linux problems'" to "they must have a problem with Linux" which isn't necessarily so. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
Hi Al, I was looking at the Google keyword tool for gaps where people just get caught in a dead end. 10,000 people search for "Linux Problems" every month, but if you search it yourself, you can see that there is nothing that is really of use (Like a Q&A site or a forum). Daniel -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
On 17 November 2010 21:53, Daniel Case wrote: > I have just launched a new Linux-based website like Yahoo answers (I got a > free script) and could do with a little bit of feedback with modifications > to make and maybe some Ubuntu/Linux based images for the header (the current > one is the default for the script...) My initial feedback is "why?". We have http://askubuntu.com/ http://ubuntuforums.org/ and http://linuxquestions.org/ (amongst a bazillion others). What is going to set this apart from others? Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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And I forgot to provide the link! http://www.linuxproblems.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
Hi guys, I have just launched a new Linux-based website like Yahoo answers (I got a free script) and could do with a little bit of feedback with modifications to make and maybe some Ubuntu/Linux based images for the header (the current one is the default for the script...) I could also do with some questions asked and answered to give it a kick-start, so if you know of anyone who could volunteer, want to volunteer yourself or you have a question about Ubuntu/Linux feel free to sign up and help :) Daniel -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
