Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[Alan Pope]

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 02:19:01PM +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
> Comments/suggestions/edits most welcome!
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PodcastTranscription
> 

I just had a go at doing this myself, and it's suprisingly easy and fun!

No, honest!

Once I setup all the bzr stuff I then grabbed an episode and starting 
carving it up into segments. Basically just using TAB to start and stop the 
audio, ALT+Left to skip back, and ENTER to add the delimiters between one 
person speaking and another. This is something that can be done almost on 
auto pilot and is quite fun getting the marker in roughly the right spot.

Left a bit, left a bit.. FIRE!

Once that was done I had a big list of segments to transcribe and just 
worked through them. Again using tab to start/stop the audio, which is 
useful because I'm by no means a fast typer! That said, I managed to churn 
out a good few minutes of the podcast. A few more people doing this and 
we'll be all caught up!

Thanks to everyone for offering to help with this, I think the whole audio 
transcription "service" is fantastic. 

Cheers,
Al.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[Steve Cook]

Andy wrote:
> Steve Cook wrote:
>> OK I seem to be getting the hang of Transcriber. I've done 20s
>> worth, which I've uploaded to bazaar.  It appears to have worked
>> OK.  Could someone confirm that everything is OK before I continue
>> on.
> 
> It's in bazaar fine. It opens in my copy of Transcriber too and plays
>  back fine. (And I now know that bzr update actually works).
> 
Good. Thanks to Alan's video cast and the wiki

> One minor thing I noticed was you have speaker 1 saying "What is the 
> Open Rights Group?" and then it goes back to Becky but it's not
> marked as her.
> 
Thanks, I got the speakers out of turn when I started and obviously
didn't correct that one.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[Andy]

Steve Cook wrote:
> OK I seem to be getting the hang of Transcriber. I've done 20s worth, 
> which I've uploaded to bazaar.  It appears to have worked OK.  Could 
> someone confirm that everything is OK before I continue on.

It's in bazaar fine. It opens in my copy of Transcriber too and plays
back fine. (And I now know that bzr update actually works).

One minor thing I noticed was you have speaker 1 saying "What is the
Open Rights Group?" and then it goes back to Becky but it's not marked
as her.

Oh and if anyone wants to proof read S01E06 and let me now if things
need to be changed that would be good.

Andy


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[James Westby]

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 14:58 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 14:52 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> 
> > A little correction about the bzr usage. If you use "bzr branch" to
> > get the original code the "bzr update" doesn't keep you up to date
> > with launchpad, "bzr pull" would do that instead.
> > 
> 
> Excellent stuff. I knew there would be people round here who know bzr
> well. Any chance you can update the wiki page for us?

Done, let me know if there is anything missing.

Thanks,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[James Westby]

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 19:34 +0100, Steve Cook wrote:
> OK I seem to be getting the hang of Transcriber. I've done 20s worth, 
> which I've uploaded to bazaar.  It appears to have worked OK.  Could 
> someone confirm that everything is OK before I continue on.
> Ta.
> 

Looking at http://rickroll.it/e1cfb8 I can see your changes made it in
to the branch.

Thanks,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[Steve Cook]

Dave Walker wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 15:23 +0100, Steve Cook wrote:
> 
>> As this uses transcribe, what do I do with the plain text file I've
>> produced?
>> I'll redo it with transcribe if need be. (when I've fathomed how to use it.)
>> Apart from that it looks straight forward.
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> I think transcriber is a good way to distribute the workload, so far
> anyway.  We haven't had to worry about bazaar merging mismatched commits
> yet!
> 
> Anyway, you've done the hardest part - actually documenting what was
> said.  One of the neat things with transcribe is the ability to match to
> a timestamp of the episode, so if you could input your work into
> transcribe it would be a good idea.  I wouldn't imagine it will take as
> long as the initial transcription, but if you want a hand - let me know.
> 
OK I seem to be getting the hang of Transcriber. I've done 20s worth, 
which I've uploaded to bazaar.  It appears to have worked OK.  Could 
someone confirm that everything is OK before I continue on.
Ta.

Steve

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[Steve Cook]

Dave Walker wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 15:23 +0100, Steve Cook wrote: 
>> As this uses transcribe, what do I do with the plain text file I've
>>  produced? I'll redo it with transcribe if need be. (when I've
>> fathomed how to use it.) Apart from that it looks straight forward.
>> 
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> I think transcriber is a good way to distribute the workload, so far 
> anyway.  We haven't had to worry about bazaar merging mismatched
> commits yet!
> 
> Anyway, you've done the hardest part - actually documenting what was 
> said.  One of the neat things with transcribe is the ability to match
> to a timestamp of the episode, so if you could input your work into 
> transcribe it would be a good idea.  I wouldn't imagine it will take
> as long as the initial transcription, but if you want a hand - let me
> know.
> 
It shouldn't take too long actually. Once I get the segments sorted, I
can copy and paste from my txt file.
Besides it's raining, so I can't mow the lawn. ;-)
I'm going to do a couple of mins transcribing and then have a fiddle 
about with bzr,
as I haven't used it before.

steve



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[Andy]

Alan Pope wrote:
> Comments/suggestions/edits most welcome!
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PodcastTranscription

I just had a go and it appears to have worked, at least according to
launchpad


Only had a couple of problems. One was missing key type from the
ssh-keygen command but PatrickDavies has corrected that on the wiki now.

The other main problem was I have an ancient version of Bazaar, and the
repository formats have changed so I had to download the source for the
latest version.

I used bzr checkout as suggested by someone else in this thread as well.

When transcribing later portions of the audio (i.e. 20-30 etc.) should
it all be done in the same file and can bzr handle multiple people
editing the same file (I assume it has some kind of conflict resolution)?

On the upside .trs is just XML and not very difficult to understand. The
only problem I can see occurring is if two people create new speakers or
topics at the same time the IDs will collide (read the XML if you don't
understand why).

Andy


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[Dave Walker]

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 15:23 +0100, Steve Cook wrote:

> > 
> As this uses transcribe, what do I do with the plain text file I've
> produced?
> I'll redo it with transcribe if need be. (when I've fathomed how to use it.)
> Apart from that it looks straight forward.

Hi Steve,

I think transcriber is a good way to distribute the workload, so far
anyway.  We haven't had to worry about bazaar merging mismatched commits
yet!

Anyway, you've done the hardest part - actually documenting what was
said.  One of the neat things with transcribe is the ability to match to
a timestamp of the episode, so if you could input your work into
transcribe it would be a good idea.  I wouldn't imagine it will take as
long as the initial transcription, but if you want a hand - let me know.

Thanks again.

Kind Regards,
Dave Walker


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[Steve Cook]

Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> After the very useful thready yesterday Dave and I created a brief 
> how-to, to get people started on Launchpad and Bazaar for podcast 
> transcription. I also created a screencast but the audio got all out
> of sync so it drifts towards the end. I've put it online and if I get
> a chance I'll re-record it too.
> 
> Comments/suggestions/edits most welcome!
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PodcastTranscription
> 
As this uses transcribe, what do I do with the plain text file I've
produced?
I'll redo it with transcribe if need be. (when I've fathomed how to use it.)
Apart from that it looks straight forward.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[Alan Pope]

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 14:52 +0100, James Westby wrote:

> A little correction about the bzr usage. If you use "bzr branch" to
> get the original code the "bzr update" doesn't keep you up to date
> with launchpad, "bzr pull" would do that instead.
> 

Excellent stuff. I knew there would be people round here who know bzr
well. Any chance you can update the wiki page for us?

Cheers,
Al.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[James Westby]

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 14:19 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> After the very useful thready yesterday Dave and I created a brief
> how-to, to get people started on Launchpad and Bazaar for podcast
> transcription. I also created a screencast but the audio got all out of
> sync so it drifts towards the end. I've put it online and if I get a
> chance I'll re-record it too.
> 
> Comments/suggestions/edits most welcome!
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PodcastTranscription

Hi Alan,

A little correction about the bzr usage. If you use "bzr branch" to
get the original code the "bzr update" doesn't keep you up to date
with launchpad, "bzr pull" would do that instead.

Instead you should grab the code with "bzr checkout" instead, then
"bzr update" will do what you want.

If you already have a branch that you got with "bzr branch", then
running "bzr bind" should fix this up and make it just like you
used "bzr branch".

(Just in case there is a bug here and "bzr bind" complains that there
is no location given then pass the command the URL to the branch,
and let me know so that I can fix it).

A couple more pointers for anyone that is interested in bzr. If you
run "bzr lp-login " then you will be able to get read/write
access to the shorter "lp:" URLs that launchpad shows you (assuming you
have write access to the branch that is).

Also, using "bzr+ssh://" instead of "sftp://"; will be more efficient.

If anyone has any bzr questions then #bzr on freenode is very helpful.

Thanks,

James


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[ubuntu-uk] Podcast Transcription How-To

[Alan Pope]

Hi,

After the very useful thready yesterday Dave and I created a brief
how-to, to get people started on Launchpad and Bazaar for podcast
transcription. I also created a screencast but the audio got all out of
sync so it drifts towards the end. I've put it online and if I get a
chance I'll re-record it too.

Comments/suggestions/edits most welcome!

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PodcastTranscription

The videos will be in http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/screencasts/ but they
take ages to upload. Right now there are 3 high (ish) quality low-ish
res ones, I'll chuck some lower quality ones up but they'll take a
while. In the meantime just follow the text guide. To be honest that's
all I did in the video - just type all the commands verbatim :)

Cheers,
Al.


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