Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
Hello, On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:55:02AM +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: > Andy Smith wrote: > > However it all sounds like a massive hassle and personally I would > > buy the computer online using a credit card making sure the store > > was aware it was for Ubuntu. > > You'd need to do more than make them aware of what you want to do with > it; you need to have some (written) confirmation that the PC will work > with ubuntu, which they're not going to give you. There's no universal > right to be able to buy PCs that're guaranteed to work with your > favourite OS. Fair enough, but there is a right to return it if it doesn't work out for you. > Personally, this sounds like an awful lot of hassle, and doesn't appear > to do anything but make Linux users look like awkward customers who > insist on using an OS with patchy hardware support, and give you a > woefully convoluted route to buying a PC. You'd have to be spectacularly unlucky to buy something that doesn't work after checking out the components online. If you bought it online with a credit card there is zero chance you can't send it back in this case. You don't buy computer hardware online then? Surely it's the easiest way. I can see wanting to handle some things in-store for ergonomic reasons. Cheers, Andy -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
When I bought my net book from Currys, I chose the one I wanted and was at the counter literally about to insert my card to pay when I said, "hang on, before I pay for this do you mind if I just try booting from a USB stick to see if Ubuntu works?" The guy said, yeah no problem. So we went back to the display model and he let me try it out. It worked fine so I bought it. I think I got lucky though, as the guy said he was an Ubuntu user ;) Jon Reynolds On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 03:10:37PM +0100, Markie wrote: > Lets say your want to buy a new PC and keep the bundled windows etc on > there, but you wish to install Ubuntu into a new partition / disc. If you > cant find anyone whos used your PC with Ubuntu before and you dont find it > listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport, then would you / could > you go to the store with your live CD and try it out to make sure your not > going to have any hardware compatibility issues? > > Has anyone done this? What was the reaction from the store when you asked? > > Thanks > > Markie > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
Andy Smith wrote: > However it all sounds like a massive hassle and personally I would > buy the computer online using a credit card making sure the store > was aware it was for Ubuntu. You'd need to do more than make them aware of what you want to do with it; you need to have some (written) confirmation that the PC will work with ubuntu, which they're not going to give you. There's no universal right to be able to buy PCs that're guaranteed to work with your favourite OS. Personally, this sounds like an awful lot of hassle, and doesn't appear to do anything but make Linux users look like awkward customers who insist on using an OS with patchy hardware support, and give you a woefully convoluted route to buying a PC. You can buy naked computers [0] if it's just the Windows license you're opposed to, or there are a few places who sell Linux preinstalled (and therefore guarantee some kind of hardware compatibility) [1][2][3]. My feeling has long been that if you want to advance the position of Linux on the desktop, you need to make the manufacturers aware that there is a market, and that you wont buy from them while they don't offer the product you want. If you just want a Linuxy machine as quickly and easily as possible, stick to boring and mainstream hardware and you're only likely to hit issues with sound. [0] http://nakedcomputers.org/ [1] http://shop.linuxemporium.co.uk/hardware/hardware-desktops.html [2] http://www.debianshop.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6 [3] http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html -- Avi Greenbury -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
Hi Rob, On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:28:32PM +0100, Rob Beard wrote: > I guess in say the case of eBuyer.com you could send an eNote, but they > might turn round and say that they can't guarantee compatibility (at > least that was the case back in 2003 when I worked at eBuyer, I was told > not to give specific confirmations if something would or wouldn't work). Fair point, but regardless you can always return an online purchase within 7 days if you change your mind. http://www.out-law.com/page-430 You'll lose the cost of returning the item, but not the delivery cost. Cheers, Andy signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
On 12/05/10 22:03, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 03:10:37PM +0100, Markie wrote: >> Lets say your want to buy a new PC and keep the bundled windows etc on >> there, but you wish to install Ubuntu into a new partition / disc. If you >> cant find anyone whos used your PC with Ubuntu before and you dont find it >> listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport, then would you / could >> you go to the store with your live CD and try it out to make sure your not > > I'm sure you could do this and as other posters have said, if they > know the sale is at stake then I'm confident they'd let you boot the > live cd. > > However it all sounds like a massive hassle and personally I would > buy the computer online using a credit card making sure the store > was aware it was for Ubuntu. If it turns out not to work under > Ubuntu in some unfixable way then Sale of Goods Act allows you to > send it back as not fit for purpose, and credit agreement allows you > to charge it back with minimal hassle if mention of SoGA doesn't > produce the correct response immediately. > Hmmm, how can you make the online store know that you're using it for Ubuntu? I guess in say the case of eBuyer.com you could send an eNote, but they might turn round and say that they can't guarantee compatibility (at least that was the case back in 2003 when I worked at eBuyer, I was told not to give specific confirmations if something would or wouldn't work). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
Hi, On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 03:10:37PM +0100, Markie wrote: > Lets say your want to buy a new PC and keep the bundled windows etc on > there, but you wish to install Ubuntu into a new partition / disc. If you > cant find anyone whos used your PC with Ubuntu before and you dont find it > listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport, then would you / could > you go to the store with your live CD and try it out to make sure your not I'm sure you could do this and as other posters have said, if they know the sale is at stake then I'm confident they'd let you boot the live cd. However it all sounds like a massive hassle and personally I would buy the computer online using a credit card making sure the store was aware it was for Ubuntu. If it turns out not to work under Ubuntu in some unfixable way then Sale of Goods Act allows you to send it back as not fit for purpose, and credit agreement allows you to charge it back with minimal hassle if mention of SoGA doesn't produce the correct response immediately. Cheers, Andy -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting > The optimum programming team size is 1. Has Jurassic Park taught us nothing? -- pfilandr signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
Well, how did the visit to PC world go? :-) On 11 May 2010 17:31, Dave Smith wrote: > I work in an independent store. We would definitely – but I am going to > PC world tonight just to find out, heheh!! > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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> Live CDs: For people who are still upset that you can't go into a computer > shop and type > > 10 PRINT "ARSE" > 20 GOTO 10 > > any more... > ROFL! ...brings back some memories of being a kid there... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Isabell Long wrote: > On 11 May 2010 16:40, Dianne Reuby wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 16:33 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: >> >> >>> I've never tried, but it'd probably be a laugh to go to PC World with >>> a bunch of live CDs, insert them into the PCs and reboot them >>> (observing the resultant chaos). >>> >> What an excellent suggestion for a launch party. :) > > Hahaha! That could work pretty well actually couldn't it? :P > Could, do or you could ask if a certaih PC runs linux, and just happen to have a live cd to hand to insert and find out, after asking, as in lets find out shall we. If you were in a position to make a purchase but refuse to buy unless it runs Linux properly, in the current climate and to make a sale they may let you, it may however be worth doing some homework first, going in or several people going in over a period of time and seeing which staff are Linux aware and know what they are talking about, then go in and ask them, you may find they are more co-operative. Paul - -- Paul Sutton - www.zleap.net DCGLUG MEETINGS Next Paignton Lug meet : 3pm Saturday June 5th - Shoreline Next Holsworthly meet : 2pm Saturday June 19th - White Hart -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkvpkc0ACgkQaggq1k2FJq0X2QCgkmDigw9An/n40lA7VDKKyeuu GAsAnjHEpaCy1jRS3WmxYLS75Va5+DTJ =vc11 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
On 11/05/10 16:43, Isabell Long wrote: > On 11 May 2010 16:40, Dianne Reuby wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 16:33 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: >> >> >>> >>> I've never tried, but it'd probably be a laugh to go to PC World with >>> a bunch of live CDs, insert them into the PCs and reboot them >>> (observing the resultant chaos). >>> >> >> What an excellent suggestion for a launch party. :) > > Hahaha! That could work pretty well actually couldn't it? :P > Please can someone secretly film a LUG doing this... It'd make epic entertainment! :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
I work in an independent store. We would definitely - but I am going to PC world tonight just to find out, heheh!! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
On 11 May 2010 15:10, Markie wrote: > Lets say your want to buy a new PC and keep the bundled windows etc on > there, but you wish to install Ubuntu into a new partition / disc. If you > cant find anyone whos used your PC with Ubuntu before and you dont find it > listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport, then would you / > could you go to the store with your live CD and try it out to make sure your > not going to have any hardware compatibility issues? > > Has anyone done this? What was the reaction from the store when you asked? > > Thanks > > Markie > Hello Markie, For a PC, I always build my own, but still need to check out the hardware pieces especially the graphics card. Google usually has the answers, although I do look through the Ubuntu hardware forums as well. A rule of thumb I use is not to get something that is too new, as its most like to be supported if its over 6 months old. This gives the community time to find workarounds for any tricky hardware. If you can find a shop that will let you stick in a cd or USB stick with Ubuntu on then that would be a good test. However, it is sometimes the wireless card that causes problems, so you should still Google the PC specification to see if people have raised errors. Good luck. -- John Stevenson jr0cket.com leanagilemachine.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
On 11 May 2010 16:40, Dianne Reuby wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 16:33 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: > > >> >> I've never tried, but it'd probably be a laugh to go to PC World with >> a bunch of live CDs, insert them into the PCs and reboot them >> (observing the resultant chaos). >> > > What an excellent suggestion for a launch party. :) Hahaha! That could work pretty well actually couldn't it? :P -- Regards, Isabell Long. http://issyl0.co.uk PGP Key ID: 0xEB83C2BD -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Chris Rowson: > I've never tried, but it'd probably be a laugh to go to PC > World with a bunch of live CDs, insert them into the PCs and > reboot them (observing the resultant chaos). Live CDs: For people who are still upset that you can't go into a computer shop and type 10 PRINT "ARSE" 20 GOTO 10 any more... (j/k) -- Jim Cameron Software Engineer Buhler Sortex Limited Research and Development Department 20 Atlantis Avenue London E16 2BF Registered in England No. 434274 T +44(0)20 7055 7607 F +44(0)20 7055 7701 Mail to: jim.came...@buhlersortex.com www.buhlersortex.com This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential, may be legally privileged and is designated exclusively for the intended recipient. Access by any other person is not authorised. Any disclosure of this e-mail or of names of persons mentioned therein as well as any storing, copying, distribution and dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail and notify the sender by phone or by e-mail. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Chris Rowson wrote: > > I've never tried, but it'd probably be a laugh to go to PC World with a > bunch of live CDs, insert them into the PCs and reboot them (observing the > resultant chaos). > > Chris > > I can't remember what the correct terminology, but there was a bit of a flood of "linux activism/terrorism" a few years back when it was not uncommon for people to do precisely that with Knoppix LiveCD's :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 16:33 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: > > I've never tried, but it'd probably be a laugh to go to PC World with > a bunch of live CDs, insert them into the PCs and reboot them > (observing the resultant chaos). > What an excellent suggestion for a launch party. :) Dianne -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
> Lets say your want to buy a new PC and keep the bundled windows etc on > there, but you wish to install Ubuntu into a new partition / disc. If you > cant find anyone whos used your PC with Ubuntu before and you dont find it > listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport, then would you / > could you go to the store with your live CD and try it out to make sure your > not going to have any hardware compatibility issues? > > Has anyone done this? What was the reaction from the store when you asked? > > Thanks > > Markie > I've never tried, but it'd probably be a laugh to go to PC World with a bunch of live CDs, insert them into the PCs and reboot them (observing the resultant chaos). Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] When buying a new pc...
Lets say your want to buy a new PC and keep the bundled windows etc on there, but you wish to install Ubuntu into a new partition / disc. If you cant find anyone whos used your PC with Ubuntu before and you dont find it listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport, then would you / could you go to the store with your live CD and try it out to make sure your not going to have any hardware compatibility issues? Has anyone done this? What was the reaction from the store when you asked? Thanks Markie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
