Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows makes PCs cheaper to buy! ... we need to respond [Dell crapware]
A few responses to the various comments: - It's no co-incidence that this message came at the same time that Macs are banging on about the same issue :-) - I'm not convinced that leaflets are the right place for this. - I agree with Matthew that this isn't the right offensive message. I'd intended this as a pre-canned response to anyone who is concerned about Crapware, or who (rightly) points out that the cost of a Dell PC with Vista is the SAME as a Dell PC with Ubuntu... we are going to get questioned about why Linux isn't cheaper, given that the Linux community has been going on about how you save money and using words like Microsoft tax. The reason I was bringing it up was that so we had a way to REPLY to these criticisms, as and when they come. Where I disagree with Matthew is that I think most people DON'T think these things cost money on Microsoft. They think that they can get them free off a mate :-) Software copying has become the social equivalent of doing 80mph on a motorway! M. PS - I refuse to say Software piracy - I cannot accept that using a piece of software without licence is the moral equivalent of murder, arson and rape, though in this post-Disney world, maybe most people think that software pirates are Johnny Depp :-) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows makes PCs cheaper to buy! ... we need to respond [Dell crapware]
On Sat, 2007-06-30 at 13:51 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: I think we ought to be making a far bigger play of the whole Crapware thing, which has done a great job of introducing hidden costs to running Windows: By a strange conincidence, as I was reading Chris' message on my ISP's webmail page, a Mac advert appeared on the page with a very, very fat David Mitchell acting as a PC and a very lean someone else as a Mac, making an issue of this very matter. Keith. -- Keith Bowerman, Prestwood, south Staffordshire, England. Using Ubuntu 7.04 on a Linux only machine. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows makes PCs cheaper to buy! ... we need to respond [Dell crapware]
Mark Harrison wrote: Yup - boys and girls - it's unpalatable but it needs addressing. Manufacturers like Dell now receive as much money in subsidies and fees from companies like AOL and McAfee for installing crapware on your new Vista machine as they have to pay to Microsoft for the Vista licence. I think we ought to be making a far bigger play of the whole Crapware thing, which has done a great job of introducing hidden costs to running Windows: - Did you know... *snip* Beautifully written! Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows makes PCs cheaper to buy! ... we need to respond [Dell crapware]
On Sat, 2007-06-30 at 13:11 +0100, Mark Harrison wrote: I think we ought to be making a far bigger play of the whole Crapware thing, which has done a great job of introducing hidden costs to running Windows I expect people will start making crapware for ubuntu soon, with ads on the desktop. Or maybe a seperate crapware submenu in the apps menu :) Or: Make the smallest windows installation possible on the hard drive, and completely fill it with crapware. Make ubuntu reformat that partition to swap on first boot up :) -- Alec Wright -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
