Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Mike Preston]

>
>> Although it has been requested that the subject of forums be dropped,
>> I was thinking (yes dangerous I know), is it possible to build a forum
>> style front end onto mailman? It already holds archives of every
>> message made to the list. If we use a front end to mailman it will not
>> be a separate communication, the group will not be divided. (Mailman
>> it written in python, which I have yet to get around to learning, its
>> on my todo list though, but things seem to rarely get done of my
>> todos).
>>
>> 
> I do believe there is something of the sort but:
> a) It's commercial
> b) It's expensive
> c) I can't remember what it's called
>   
Iirc, there is an open sores email to nntp gateway, and many nntp to web 
gateways... maybe that could work...
Only got limited net access from here so I can't do much grepping... but 
I'll look into it tonight

Mike


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Chris Bannister]

On 06/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I will just ask one more question, after all I said I am still receiving 
> mail. Why

Have you followed the link at the bottom if each mail and unsubcribed?

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk and scroll right
to the bottom.

You should recieve an email asking you to confirm the unsubscription
and that should be the last mail you get from the list.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Bill Smith]

Ian wrote:
> I will just ask one more question, after all I said I am still 
> receiving mail. Why
>  
>  
>  
>  
> /---Original Message---/
>  
> /*From:*/ John K Masters <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> /*Date:*/ 06/11/2006 19:08:28
> /*To:*/ ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com>
> /*Subject:*/ Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
>  
> On Mon Nov 06, 2006 at 12:49:20PM GMT, Andy  wrote:
> >
> > I made a stupid mistake I openly admit that, I should have not said
> > anything, I should have been more welcoming, I am sorry for my
> > transgressions. Splitting or 'forking' the group due to the stupid
> > actions of one person (me) is not going to benefit Ubuntu-UK is it?
> >
>
>   
>   
>
> 
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 04/11/2006 
> 17:30
>   
Perhaps someone hates you ?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Ian]

I will just ask one more question, after all I said I am still receiving mail. Why
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 

From: John K Masters
Date: 06/11/2006 19:08:28
To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)
 
On Mon Nov 06, 2006 at 12:49:20PM GMT, Andy  wrote:
>
> I made a stupid mistake I openly admit that, I should have not said
> anything, I should have been more welcoming, I am sorry for my
> transgressions. Splitting or 'forking' the group due to the stupid
> actions of one person (me) is not going to benefit Ubuntu-UK is it?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[John K Masters]

On Mon Nov 06, 2006 at 12:49:20PM GMT, Andy  wrote:
> 
> I made a stupid mistake I openly admit that, I should have not said
> anything, I should have been more welcoming, I am sorry for my
> transgressions. Splitting or 'forking' the group due to the stupid
> actions of one person (me) is not going to benefit Ubuntu-UK is it?
> 
> I will ensure that I will not make this mistake again, do you believe
> in giving people a second chance, if so I ask for that second chance.
> 
> I think we can all agree I should not have done what I did so can we
> drop it now and move on with more important things, this has grown out
> of proportion.
> 
> 
I think that's quite enough grovelling. :)

> Although it has been requested that the subject of forums be dropped,
> I was thinking (yes dangerous I know), is it possible to build a forum
> style front end onto mailman? It already holds archives of every
> message made to the list. If we use a front end to mailman it will not
> be a separate communication, the group will not be divided. (Mailman
> it written in python, which I have yet to get around to learning, its
> on my todo list though, but things seem to rarely get done of my
> todos).
> 
I do believe there is something of the sort but:
a) It's commercial
b) It's expensive
c) I can't remember what it's called

> Let this be an end to this matter, please.
> 
> - Andy
> 
I'll second that.

> (I meant to send this yesterday but my Internet connection decided to
> take a holiday, its has thankfully returned)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[David Morley]

When I first joined the lug mailing list it was pointed out to me that
I made several mistakes first of these was top posting.

The reason is was given for this being wrong where put very simply.
When a conversation is in flow it is harder to understand (for
everyone else) what is being said when top posts are applied.  This is
partially because of the wonderful list sending a reply before a post.
 If however you add your comments under the original posters then it
makes far more sense to everyone reading it.

It was also put to me that you would listen to what someone said then
add your comments if you were in a room talking so why not treat the
list as though it were a transcript and therefore add your comments to
their rather than over.

>From then on in the only time I have ever top posted has been when
emailing a reply from my phone as it has no means of moving the post
down.  Then when I got home and could use my pc first thing I do is
appologise for top posting.  It is just more polite it also helps
highlight points.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Andy]

On 05/11/06, Caroline Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ubuntu UK isn't actually recognised by the Ubuntu community council
> currently so if the forum community wanted to fork they can certainly do
> so. Your sheer weight of numbers should ensure you prevail.

Now that is really not helpful is it?
The approval is in the pipelines as far as I was aware.
The communication media is NOT the group.
Yes we have a mailing list
We also have an IRC channel. #ubuntu-uk on Freenode.

We have a launchpad group. 
And a wiki 

Do you suggest each of these is a separate competing group as it uses
a different medium?

> I'm becoming increasingly unimpressed by the regulars here.
regulars plural? Has someone cloned me, I am one person, do not hold
my actions against others.


I made a stupid mistake I openly admit that, I should have not said
anything, I should have been more welcoming, I am sorry for my
transgressions. Splitting or 'forking' the group due to the stupid
actions of one person (me) is not going to benefit Ubuntu-UK is it?

I will ensure that I will not make this mistake again, do you believe
in giving people a second chance, if so I ask for that second chance.

I think we can all agree I should not have done what I did so can we
drop it now and move on with more important things, this has grown out
of proportion.


Although it has been requested that the subject of forums be dropped,
I was thinking (yes dangerous I know), is it possible to build a forum
style front end onto mailman? It already holds archives of every
message made to the list. If we use a front end to mailman it will not
be a separate communication, the group will not be divided. (Mailman
it written in python, which I have yet to get around to learning, its
on my todo list though, but things seem to rarely get done of my
todos).

Let this be an end to this matter, please.

- Andy

(I meant to send this yesterday but my Internet connection decided to
take a holiday, its has thankfully returned)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[paul]

Quoting Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 03:39:01PM +, Paul Mellors wrote:
>> Just because people want it, although not everyone, i'm setting up an
>> unnoficial ubuntu-uk forum.
>
> I'd strongly recommend against that. Not because of my opposition to  
>  forums - but if we have
> them then IMO they should be on the "official" site.
>
> It won't have integration with the official forums so will mean yet   
> *another* username/password
> and domain to register on.
>
>> If someone else has done it, the also let me know i'm not wasting my time.
>>
>
> Whilst in many communities I've seen people "just do it" and it   
> work, in this case where there
> is plenty of ongoing discussion about the topic and an already   
> standing offer to make a forum on
> the official site I would say this is a waste of your time/money.
>
>> The domain will be http://www.planetubuntu.uk
>>
>
> Ooooh no it wont :)
>
> Planet gives confusion too. That's a bad name to use given   
> planet.ubuntu.com and the Ubuntu-uk
> planets.
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
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ok i'll put my forum idea on the back burner :)

Cheers
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Alan Pope]

On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 03:39:01PM +, Paul Mellors wrote:
> Just because people want it, although not everyone, i'm setting up an 
> unnoficial ubuntu-uk forum.

I'd strongly recommend against that. Not because of my opposition to forums - 
but if we have 
them then IMO they should be on the "official" site.

It won't have integration with the official forums so will mean yet *another* 
username/password 
and domain to register on.

> If someone else has done it, the also let me know i'm not wasting my time.
> 

Whilst in many communities I've seen people "just do it" and it work, in this 
case where there 
is plenty of ongoing discussion about the topic and an already standing offer 
to make a forum on 
the official site I would say this is a waste of your time/money.

> The domain will be http://www.planetubuntu.uk
> 

Ooooh no it wont :)

Planet gives confusion too. That's a bad name to use given planet.ubuntu.com 
and the Ubuntu-uk 
planets. 

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Alan Pope]

On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 03:04:59PM +, Caroline Ford wrote:
> Well this is the only email list I'm on that is so aggressive to
> newbies.
> 

Heh, you're clearly not on many lists :) and :(

> I've *never* seen this sort of aggression or complaints on the evils of
> "top posting" elsewhere.

I've seen it on many lists, been part of it on some, not seen it on others 
(yet). 

> If people do still want to get involved in Ubuntu (highly recommended) I
> can certainly confirm that the rest of the community is not like this so
> don't be disheartened.
> 

Indeed, however I don't feel that this one incident is indicative of a) ubuntu 
in the UK and b) 
this list.

> I'm becoming increasingly unimpressed by the regulars here.
> 

I'll take that as a personal insult. Thanks.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Caroline Ford]

On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 15:39 +, Paul Mellors wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Just because people want it, although not everyone, i'm setting up an 
> unnoficial ubuntu-uk forum.  Please can you send me off list, so not to 
> upset anyone, a list of catagories that people would want.  I don't want 
> to upset the flow, of ubuntu-uk, but if people want a forum, i'll set 
> one up.
> 
> If someone else has done it, the also let me know i'm not wasting my time.
> 
> The domain will be http://www.planetubuntu.uk
> 
> I'm hoping this will be a partner project with the mailing list and not 
> a substitue.
> 
> Cheers
> Paul
> 

Two things - if we have a forum we need to have one on the official
forums - having one on its own domain will guarantee that it won't be
used.

You shouldn't register your own Ubuntu domain - domains with ubuntu in
should be centrally managed as we've already has problems with domain
ownership which have needed the community council to get involved in.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy gives the official
position. 

"Where possible, we ask that Ubuntu related domain ownership be held by
Canonical Limited or a Canonical-authorised organisation. Please ask for
a trademark license before registering a domain which incorporates the
Ubuntu name. In most cases, we will sponsor registration fees for
approved domains, and leave technical administrative control in the
hands of the website operator. "

Calling it a planet also confuses matters as people think of planets as
blog collectors. 

Caroline


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Paul Mellors]

Robert K. Day wrote:
>> The domain will be http://www.planetubuntu.uk
> 
> As far as I'm aware, top-level .uk domains aren't available; you need to go 
> for plabnetubuntu.co.uk, planetubuntu.org.uk or similar
> 
> Robert
> 
Yeah sorry robert it was a typo, should have been co.uk.

Paul


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Robert K. Day]

> The domain will be http://www.planetubuntu.uk

As far as I'm aware, top-level .uk domains aren't available; you need to go 
for plabnetubuntu.co.uk, planetubuntu.org.uk or similar

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Paul Mellors]

Caroline Ford wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 08:10 +, Sean Miller wrote:
>> Ian wrote:
>>> But I was not here to make a date. And I see other top posting OK.
>>>   
>> Indeed, I'm sure they do, but that doesn't negate the fact that in doing 
>> so *they* also make life very difficult for Digest subscribers...
>>
>> But the sarcastic response and the fact that you top posted again in 
>> your reply suggest that you are not a man who is about to instantly 
>> change his ways so I shall just leave you to ponder my example and see 
>> if you eventually see what I was trying to say.
>>
>> Sean
> 
> Well this is the only email list I'm on that is so aggressive to
> newbies.
> 
> I've *never* seen this sort of aggression or complaints on the evils of
> "top posting" elsewhere. I'm now *very* careful not to top post on this
> list and it is clearly very important to the 20 or so regulars on this
> list who seem to think they represent the Ubuntu users in the UK..
> 
> If people do still want to get involved in Ubuntu (highly recommended) I
> can certainly confirm that the rest of the community is not like this so
> don't be disheartened.
> 
> Ubuntu UK isn't actually recognised by the Ubuntu community council
> currently so if the forum community wanted to fork they can certainly do
> so. Your sheer weight of numbers should ensure you prevail. 
> 
> I'm becoming increasingly unimpressed by the regulars here.
> 
> Caroline
> 
> 
> 
Hi all

Just because people want it, although not everyone, i'm setting up an 
unnoficial ubuntu-uk forum.  Please can you send me off list, so not to 
upset anyone, a list of catagories that people would want.  I don't want 
to upset the flow, of ubuntu-uk, but if people want a forum, i'll set 
one up.

If someone else has done it, the also let me know i'm not wasting my time.

The domain will be http://www.planetubuntu.uk

I'm hoping this will be a partner project with the mailing list and not 
a substitue.

Cheers
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[baza]

I hate top posting ;)

On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 07:02 +, Ian wrote:
> But I was not here to make a date. And I see other top posting OK.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---Original Message--- 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Sean Miller 
> 
> Date: 05/11/2006 05:10:03 
> 
> To: British Ubuntu Talk 
> 
> Subject: [ubuntu-UK] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums) 
> 
>  
> 
> Ian wrote: 
> 
> > You have and its appalling bad taste in my language. 
> 
> > 
> 
> Just to explain for a moment, Ian, why people feel so passionately at 
> 
> Times about top posting in an e-mail list and as a result sometimes we 
> 
> Can end up with situations like this where one person feels "victimised" 
> 
> Or the like... 
> 
>  
> 
> Imagine yourself as a "Digest" subscriber to the list. You will get one 
> 
> E-mail daily with all the posts in. Imagine then that there is a big 
> 
> Issue going on and many posts are on one thread. If we take a 
> 
> Conversation thus... 
> 
>  
> 
> Mike: "Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it." 
> 
> Bob: "Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck?" 
> 
> Mike: "Oh, definitely. What time?" 
> 
> Bob: "Midday?" 
> 
> Mike: "Great! Seeya there" 
> 
>  
> 
> Easy enough isn't it? Right... let's imagine they all top post... what's 
> 
> The digest going to look like? 
> 
>  
> 
> 10:15am [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 
> 
>  
> 
> 10.20am [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? 
> 
>  
> 
> Mike wrote: 
> 
> >Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 
> 
>  
> 
> 10.25am [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Oh, definitely. What time? 
> 
>  
> 
> Bob wrote: 
> 
> >Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? 
> 
> > 
> 
> >Mike wrote: 
> 
> >>Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 
> 
>  
> 
> 10.26am [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Midday? 
> 
>  
> 
> Mike wrote: 
> 
> >Oh, definitely. What time? 
> 
> > 
> 
> >Bob wrote: 
> 
> >>Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >>Mike wrote: 
> 
> >>>Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 
> 
>  
> 
> 10.28am [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Great, Seeya there! 
> 
>  
> 
> Bob wrote: 
> 
> >Midday? 
> 
> > 
> 
> >Mike wrote: 
> 
> >>Oh, definitely. What time? 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >>Bob wrote: 
> 
> >>>Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? 
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>>Mike wrote: 
> 
> >>>>Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 
> 
>  
> 
> ...and that was *such* a simple conversation. Imagine a technical 
> 
> Discussion. 
> 
>  
> 
> Please understand, Ian, nobody is trying to drive anybody else off this 
> 
> List. 
> 
>  
> 
> I believe the request to be simply saying *try* to think about making it 
> 
> Easy for the other readers when you post. It literally only takes a few 
> 
> Seconds to snip out the bits you're replying to but it could save those 
> 
> Reading the digest hours when trying to make head or tail of a conversation.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Sean 
> 
>  
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Sean Miller]

Caroline Ford wrote:
> Well this is the only email list I'm on that is so aggressive to
> newbies.
>   
I wasn't trying to be aggressive... major apologies if you perceived me 
to be... was actually trying to explain to Ian why top posting can be an 
issue for some people... made a lot of effort to *not* sound aggressive 
or negative... that's why I spent the time creating the "simple example" 
of what it is like to read digests when people continually top post.
> I'm becoming increasingly unimpressed by the regulars here.#
>   
Storm in a teacup, I think. Ian should be aware that he is very welcome 
here... he has had a lot of useful input on his various issues (eg. ADSL 
modems etc.) and should not feel victimised.

Sean

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Caroline Ford]

On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 08:10 +, Sean Miller wrote:
> Ian wrote:
> > But I was not here to make a date. And I see other top posting OK.
> >   
> Indeed, I'm sure they do, but that doesn't negate the fact that in doing 
> so *they* also make life very difficult for Digest subscribers...
> 
> But the sarcastic response and the fact that you top posted again in 
> your reply suggest that you are not a man who is about to instantly 
> change his ways so I shall just leave you to ponder my example and see 
> if you eventually see what I was trying to say.
> 
> Sean

Well this is the only email list I'm on that is so aggressive to
newbies.

I've *never* seen this sort of aggression or complaints on the evils of
"top posting" elsewhere. I'm now *very* careful not to top post on this
list and it is clearly very important to the 20 or so regulars on this
list who seem to think they represent the Ubuntu users in the UK..

If people do still want to get involved in Ubuntu (highly recommended) I
can certainly confirm that the rest of the community is not like this so
don't be disheartened.

Ubuntu UK isn't actually recognised by the Ubuntu community council
currently so if the forum community wanted to fork they can certainly do
so. Your sheer weight of numbers should ensure you prevail. 

I'm becoming increasingly unimpressed by the regulars here.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Andy]

I am getting the 'oh dear what have I done feeling'

I never meant for this to happen, I did not mean to start a 'row'.

I have apologised once and will do so again, Ian I truly am sorry that
I have offended you. What I said was careless and I should not have
said it and I am sorry, unfortunately once an email is sent it can
never be recalled.



On 05/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh by the way I un subbed twice but still receive. Perhaps your system is
> not working?

I find it unlikely it would be broken, it uses the 'mailman' software,
used by hundreds (thousands?) of lists and something as integral as
'unsubscribe' has probably been tested many times. Maybe the email
server is slow today.

Did you check for a confirmation email? for some tasks the mailman
system sends you an email with a code that you need to use to confirm
it is really you who is taking an action.

Did you use the web page? If so you can try the email method:
email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject line
'unsubscribe' (remove the quotation marks)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Ian]

 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Sean Miller 

Date: 11/05/06 08:11:13 

To: British Ubuntu Talk 

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-UK] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums) 

 

Ian wrote: 

> But I was not here to make a date. And I see other top posting OK. 

> 

Indeed, I'm sure they do, but that doesn't negate the fact that in doing 

So *they* also make life very difficult for Digest subscribers... 

 

But the sarcastic response and the fact that you top posted again in 

Your reply suggest that you are not a man who is about to instantly 

Change his ways so I shall just leave you to ponder my example and see 

If you eventually see what I was trying to say. 

 

Sean 

 

 Oh I change when its necessary and have for 72 years, but just to do so
because someone said it should be so, is not my way. As for digest readers,
I receive digests of seven lists and have never found it difficult to follow
a thread up or down, just need practice.

 

Oh by the way I un subbed twice but still receive. Perhaps your system is
not working?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Sean Miller]

Ian wrote:
> But I was not here to make a date. And I see other top posting OK.
>   
Indeed, I'm sure they do, but that doesn't negate the fact that in doing 
so *they* also make life very difficult for Digest subscribers...

But the sarcastic response and the fact that you top posted again in 
your reply suggest that you are not a man who is about to instantly 
change his ways so I shall just leave you to ponder my example and see 
if you eventually see what I was trying to say.

Sean

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Ian]

But I was not here to make a date. And I see other top posting OK.

 

 

 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Sean Miller 

Date: 05/11/2006 05:10:03 

To: British Ubuntu Talk 

Subject: [ubuntu-UK] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums) 

 

Ian wrote: 

> You have and its appalling bad taste in my language. 

> 

Just to explain for a moment, Ian, why people feel so passionately at 

Times about top posting in an e-mail list and as a result sometimes we 

Can end up with situations like this where one person feels "victimised" 

Or the like... 

 

Imagine yourself as a "Digest" subscriber to the list. You will get one 

E-mail daily with all the posts in. Imagine then that there is a big 

Issue going on and many posts are on one thread. If we take a 

Conversation thus... 

 

Mike: "Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it." 

Bob: "Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck?" 

Mike: "Oh, definitely. What time?" 

Bob: "Midday?" 

Mike: "Great! Seeya there" 

 

Easy enough isn't it? Right... let's imagine they all top post... what's 

The digest going to look like? 

 

10:15am [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 

 

10.20am [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? 

 

Mike wrote: 

>Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 

 

10.25am [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Oh, definitely. What time? 

 

Bob wrote: 

>Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? 

> 

>Mike wrote: 

>>Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 

 

10.26am [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Midday? 

 

Mike wrote: 

>Oh, definitely. What time? 

> 

>Bob wrote: 

>>Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? 

>> 

>>Mike wrote: 

>>>Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 

 

10.28am [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Great, Seeya there! 

 

Bob wrote: 

>Midday? 

> 

>Mike wrote: 

>>Oh, definitely. What time? 

>> 

>>Bob wrote: 

>>>Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck? 

>>> 

>>>Mike wrote: 

>>>>Good morning, Bob... Lovely day isn't it. 

 

...and that was *such* a simple conversation. Imagine a technical 

Discussion. 

 

Please understand, Ian, nobody is trying to drive anybody else off this 

List. 

 

I believe the request to be simply saying *try* to think about making it 

Easy for the other readers when you post. It literally only takes a few 

Seconds to snip out the bits you're replying to but it could save those 

Reading the digest hours when trying to make head or tail of a conversation.


 

Sean 

 

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[ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Sean Miller]

Ian wrote:
> You have and its appalling bad taste in my language.
>   
Just to explain for a moment, Ian, why people feel so passionately at 
times about top posting in an e-mail list and as a result sometimes we 
can end up with situations like this where one person feels "victimised" 
or the like...

Imagine yourself as a "Digest" subscriber to the list. You will get one 
e-mail daily with all the posts in. Imagine then that there is a big 
issue going on and many posts are on one thread. If we take a 
conversation thus...

Mike: "Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it."
Bob: "Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck?"
Mike: "Oh, definitely. What time?"
Bob: "Midday?"
Mike: "Great! Seeya there"

Easy enough isn't it? Right... let's imagine they all top post... what's 
the digest going to look like?

10:15am [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it.

10.20am [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck?

Mike wrote:
 >Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it.

10.25am [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh, definitely. What time?

Bob wrote:
 >Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck?
 >
 >Mike wrote:
 >>Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it.

10.26am [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Midday?

Mike wrote:
 >Oh, definitely. What time?
 >
 >Bob wrote:
 >>Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck?
 >>
 >>Mike wrote:
 >>>Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it.

10.28am [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Great, Seeya there!

Bob wrote:
 >Midday?
 >
 >Mike wrote:
 >>Oh, definitely. What time?
 >>
 >>Bob wrote:
 >>>Indeed it is. Fancy a pint at lunchtime down the Dog and Duck?
 >>>
 >>>Mike wrote:
 Good morning, Bob... lovely day isn't it.

...and that was *such* a simple conversation. Imagine a technical 
discussion.

Please understand, Ian, nobody is trying to drive anybody else off this 
list.

I believe the request to be simply saying *try* to think about making it 
easy for the other readers when you post. It literally only takes a few 
seconds to snip out the bits you're replying to but it could save those 
reading the digest hours when trying to make head or tail of a conversation.

Sean

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