Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
Farran wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 17:45 +, Rob Beard wrote: gord wrote: > i would be careful, its likely that something has gone wrong with > windows because... well its windows.. and that they are blaming this > strange thing you put on the computer once that they are unfamiliar > with. live cds are very careful not to do anything that could hurt the > currently installed systems (if they did there would be an outcry) > Yup, that's a common thing amongst less knowledgeable computer users. If something goes wrong they'll blame the last knowledgeable (or maybe no to knowledgeable) person, even if it's a fault of their own or the operating system/application. I've had that a few times. Rob thanks guys yes, those issues mentioned are generally what happened - the majority of the time, I was demonstrating the ulimate power of linux (how it would work with minimal config) and attempting to fix windows' admin issues through editing the files. So yes, in most cases I had accessesed the hard drive. My Music teacher wasn't happy; I argued for a couple of minutes using most of what's been mentioned, until I realised it was fruitless, and questioned you lot for some solid evidence! No luck, however, on the admin issues... Cheers === Farran Lee I'm only 15 You shouldn't experience any problems after accessing a Windows partition after mounting it in Ubuntu as long as you unmount it safely or you let the live CD reboot the machine. If the reported errors were indeed only MS chkdsk, Windows only performs a quick check on the filesystem, it's more for show than anything else to let you know "Windows is back in control". Unless I'm wrong, FAT32/NTFS partitions will always be checked by Windows if it sees they have been accessed since it was last shut down, regardless of whether it was safely unmounted or not. This could seem like an unpredictable event to many users, especially since the disk check shows a famous Microsoft-blue colour background, but nothing is wrong. Tell your teacher it's yet another antiquated feature from 1995 that Microsoft have failed to bring into the 21st century, Ubuntu would "never" behave in such a manner unless it was important. Tom -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 17:45 +, Rob Beard wrote: > gord wrote: > > > i would be careful, its likely that something has gone wrong with > > windows because... well its windows.. and that they are blaming this > > strange thing you put on the computer once that they are unfamiliar > > with. live cds are very careful not to do anything that could hurt the > > currently installed systems (if they did there would be an outcry) > > > > Yup, that's a common thing amongst less knowledgeable computer users. > If something goes wrong they'll blame the last knowledgeable (or maybe > no to knowledgeable) person, even if it's a fault of their own or the > operating system/application. > > I've had that a few times. > > Rob > thanks guys yes, those issues mentioned are generally what happened - the majority of the time, I was demonstrating the ulimate power of linux (how it would work with minimal config) and attempting to fix windows' admin issues through editing the files. So yes, in most cases I had accessesed the hard drive. My Music teacher wasn't happy; I argued for a couple of minutes using most of what's been mentioned, until I realised it was fruitless, and questioned you lot for some solid evidence! No luck, however, on the admin issues... Cheers :D === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :-P <><>-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
Sean, Sean Miller wrote: > Re. being warned about "corrupt" disks... how does this happen if you're > booting from CD? Surely it would never get near Vista? I presume he meant he put the disk into a running Vista system, perhaps prior to asking the machine to reboot. > Have Microsoft infiltrated the BIOS? Give them time:-) Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
Re. being warned about "corrupt" disks... how does this happen if you're booting from CD? Surely it would never get near Vista? Have Microsoft infiltrated the BIOS? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
gord wrote: > i would be careful, its likely that something has gone wrong with > windows because... well its windows.. and that they are blaming this > strange thing you put on the computer once that they are unfamiliar > with. live cds are very careful not to do anything that could hurt the > currently installed systems (if they did there would be an outcry) > Yup, that's a common thing amongst less knowledgeable computer users. If something goes wrong they'll blame the last knowledgeable (or maybe no to knowledgeable) person, even if it's a fault of their own or the operating system/application. I've had that a few times. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
Dave Morley wrote: > On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 22:43 +, Chris Rowson wrote: > >>> On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 14:19 +, Farran Lee wrote: >>> lately I've been showing my friends and family ubuntu, trying to convert them to it. I promised them that it can't touch windows, and will not damage any of their files. But every computer I've run it on, the owner has reported it has come back with errors, although I have never personally witnessed them. Can anyone confirm that this is not the cd please? Note: I did not install anything while running it live. === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P >>> i would be careful, its likely that something has gone wrong with >>> windows because... well its windows.. and that they are blaming this >>> strange thing you put on the computer once that they are unfamiliar >>> with. live cds are very careful not to do anything that could hurt the >>> currently installed systems (if they did there would be an outcry) >>> -- >>> gord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> -- >>> >> Hi Faran >> >> Can you be a little more specific about the errors your friends/family >> have seen? >> >> At a guess, the only thing I can think of is Windows invoking the >> chkdsk utility. Perhaps this could be caused mounting the NTFS >> partition, and Windows detecting that 'it' (as in Windows) hadn't shut >> it down properly hence invoking chkdsk. I don't think that you should >> see any real damage to a PC. >> >> Chris >> >> > I was about to say something similar. Did you at any time access their > windows drive from Ubuntu. That may trigger a ntfs corruption that > chkdsk would remedy. > I put a live CD (not Ubuntu) in my wife's Vista laptop the other day and good old Windows happily informed me "There are errors on this disc" and also offered to "fix them". Thinking that should be fun I let it get on with it only to be told that the disc was beyond repair and that I should contact my vendor immediately. Not too sure how it was going to 'repair' a CD mind you. I'm sure that something similar would be interpreted as an error by many people. Andy Jenkins. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 22:43 +, Chris Rowson wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 14:19 +, Farran Lee wrote: > > > lately I've been showing my friends and family ubuntu, trying to convert > > > them to it. I promised them that it can't touch windows, and will not > > > damage any of their files. > > > But every computer I've run it on, the owner has reported it has come > > > back with errors, although I have never personally witnessed them. > > > > > > Can anyone confirm that this is not the cd please? Note: I did not > > > install anything while running it live. > > > > > > > > > === > > > Farran Lee > > > I'm only 15 :P > > > > > > i would be careful, its likely that something has gone wrong with > > windows because... well its windows.. and that they are blaming this > > strange thing you put on the computer once that they are unfamiliar > > with. live cds are very careful not to do anything that could hurt the > > currently installed systems (if they did there would be an outcry) > > -- > > gord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > > Hi Faran > > Can you be a little more specific about the errors your friends/family > have seen? > > At a guess, the only thing I can think of is Windows invoking the > chkdsk utility. Perhaps this could be caused mounting the NTFS > partition, and Windows detecting that 'it' (as in Windows) hadn't shut > it down properly hence invoking chkdsk. I don't think that you should > see any real damage to a PC. > > Chris > I was about to say something similar. Did you at any time access their windows drive from Ubuntu. That may trigger a ntfs corruption that chkdsk would remedy. -- Seek That Thy Might Know signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
> On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 14:19 +, Farran Lee wrote: > > lately I've been showing my friends and family ubuntu, trying to convert > > them to it. I promised them that it can't touch windows, and will not > > damage any of their files. > > But every computer I've run it on, the owner has reported it has come > > back with errors, although I have never personally witnessed them. > > > > Can anyone confirm that this is not the cd please? Note: I did not > > install anything while running it live. > > > > > > === > > Farran Lee > > I'm only 15 :P > > > i would be careful, its likely that something has gone wrong with > windows because... well its windows.. and that they are blaming this > strange thing you put on the computer once that they are unfamiliar > with. live cds are very careful not to do anything that could hurt the > currently installed systems (if they did there would be an outcry) > -- > gord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- Hi Faran Can you be a little more specific about the errors your friends/family have seen? At a guess, the only thing I can think of is Windows invoking the chkdsk utility. Perhaps this could be caused mounting the NTFS partition, and Windows detecting that 'it' (as in Windows) hadn't shut it down properly hence invoking chkdsk. I don't think that you should see any real damage to a PC. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 14:19 +, Farran Lee wrote: > lately I've been showing my friends and family ubuntu, trying to convert > them to it. I promised them that it can't touch windows, and will not > damage any of their files. > But every computer I've run it on, the owner has reported it has come > back with errors, although I have never personally witnessed them. > > Can anyone confirm that this is not the cd please? Note: I did not > install anything while running it live. > > > === > Farran Lee > I'm only 15 :P i would be careful, its likely that something has gone wrong with windows because... well its windows.. and that they are blaming this strange thing you put on the computer once that they are unfamiliar with. live cds are very careful not to do anything that could hurt the currently installed systems (if they did there would be an outcry) -- gord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
Farran, Farran Lee wrote: > lately I've been showing my friends and family ubuntu, trying to convert > them to it. I promised them that it can't touch windows, and will not > damage any of their files. > But every computer I've run it on, the owner has reported it has come > back with errors, although I have never personally witnessed them. > > Can anyone confirm that this is not the cd please? Note: I did not > install anything while running it live. Do you mean you ran the live CD and then sometime later the owners reported problems with Windows? What sort of problems? Are the consistent? My understanding is that the live CD does not touch the hard disk so should not affect any already installed system. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
Farran Lee wrote: > lately I've been showing my friends and family ubuntu, trying to convert > them to it. I promised them that it can't touch windows, and will not > damage any of their files. > But every computer I've run it on, the owner has reported it has come > back with errors, although I have never personally witnessed them. > > Can anyone confirm that this is not the cd please? Note: I did not > install anything while running it live. > > > === > Farran Lee > I'm only 15 :P > > Have you checked the ISO image checksums using the md5sums file? (you can get it from the Ubuntu mirrors) What happens when you run the CD media check from the CD boot menu? Do you know what error messages your friends and family were getting? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu cd damaging windows paritions?
lately I've been showing my friends and family ubuntu, trying to convert them to it. I promised them that it can't touch windows, and will not damage any of their files. But every computer I've run it on, the owner has reported it has come back with errors, although I have never personally witnessed them. Can anyone confirm that this is not the cd please? Note: I did not install anything while running it live. === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
