Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
- Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have valid licence keys, personally I don't see a problem. After all, the *licence* is what MS charge you for, *not the media*. In fact, I have a slip-streamed XP install disc that I made myself that incorporates service pack 2, and you'll even find tips on MS's own site on how to create one... hardly something they'd talk about if they thought that act was illegal [btw it makes my blood boil when people use 'illegal' when talking about this stuff. When was the last time someone served jail time stuck in a cell with murderers and child molesters because they did a one-off copy of some windows software for their own use? Yeah, quite...] The fact that no-one has been prosecuted for it, does not make it illegal. Downloading, for example, Command and Conquer for the PC via torrent is illegal. That won't stop people doing it. The slip-streaming is designed for businesses, who are maintaining 50 machines at once, so a slipstreamed disc or remote installation procedure is very, very handy. I know someone who is serving time for downloading movies via torrent. 5 years to be exact, without chance of parole. As has been suggested before, go read Microsoft's End User Licence Agreement before saying that its ok. As for media, talk to Microsoft. They're not all ogres, much as some of their departments might act like it. I would suggest that this topic be ended here, unless the OP has any further questions: it is illegal, leave it at that. Regards, Johnathon -- Blog: http://www.kirrus.co.uk UK Plone Hosting: http://www.plone-hosting.co.uk RPG: Lt Aieron Peters, XO DS5. http://ds5.brisub.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 05:10:45PM +, Johnathon Tinsley wrote: Downloading, for example, Command and Conquer for the PC via torrent is illegal. That won't stop people doing it. Oh no it isn't. http://www.commandandconquer.com/intel/default.aspx?id=61#NewsMain -Gav -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk I think we need to: Calibrate the energon channel signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
Johnathon Tinsley said I know someone who is serving time for downloading movies via torrent. 5 years to be exact, without chance of parole. That would definitely have made the news - care to share? Pete -- Check my blog @ http://peteste.blogspot.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
On 2/18/08, Johnathon Tinsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. I like and respect this person, and I'm not going to identify them, or give more details. 5 years without parole sounds very harsh for a copyright violation... no details required, but perhaps you could hint which country was this in?? Was it here in the UK, or that place across the pond where the combination of growing a beard and possessing a copy of the Quaran gets you a term at Camp X-Ray in Guantanamo Bay?? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
- Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johnathon Tinsley said I know someone who is serving time for downloading movies via torrent. 5 years to be exact, without chance of parole. That would definitely have made the news - care to share? Nope. I like and respect this person, and I'm not going to identify them, or give more details. -- Blog: http://www.kirrus.co.uk UK Plone Hosting: http://www.plone-hosting.co.uk RPG: Lt Aieron Peters, XO DS5. http://ds5.brisub.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
Eddie Armstrong wrote: Sorry to ask MS stuff here but I have been trying for days to find an answer to this and hope some of you may be able to help. I have been given two old PCs with MS XP Pro SP2 installed and licence OEM sticker on the sides and would like to re-install clean XP Pro and dual boot Ubuntu. From what I have been able to decode from MS licence agreement by upgrading these machines I am legally entitled to OEM status. Is this true? I also understand that any OEM XP Pro SP2 disc will do? However I have no OEM disc , Amazon sell a new one for £84 but I already have licences that go with the machines. Does anybody know where I can obtain a OEM disc, cheap? Obviously I want this to be legal so users of the PC can use XP or Ubuntu legally. Any help appreciated. Eddie Hi Eddie, You're right, any OEM install disc will do as long as you have valid license stickers/serial numbers. I use a mastered ISO which has every version of XP in both OEM and retail flavours on the one CD. One of these should do the job: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=windows+xp+9+in+1+torrent If your serial keys are valid and you aren't cloning them onto more than one machine each, you should be perfectly legal and be able to get through MS phone-home validation no problem. I've had to call up the automatic helpline many times but it always validates you in the end. If you're doing dual boot, I recommend pre-partitioning your system with an Ubuntu live CD, then installing XP, then installing Ubuntu. If you do it in this order the configuration of grub will be done for you by the Ubuntu installer. Hope this helps, Tom -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
Tom Bamford wrote: I use a mastered ISO which has every version of XP in both OEM and retail flavours on the one CD. Thanks Tom - Am dl as we speak. How does 9 - 1 work? If I burn an iso (will K3B do?) and boot one of the machines with it do I just choose the appropraite OS from a menu or sometning? If your serial keys are valid and you aren't cloning them onto more than one machine each, Well they should be valid - they upgrade OK - but there is too much mess/unknown on the PCs - I' want to give clean installs to people. If you're doing dual boot, I recommend pre-partitioning your system with an Ubuntu live CD, Thanks - have done this particular op many times This OEM disc could potentially save the day! Thanks Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
Eddie Armstrong wrote: Tom Bamford wrote: I use a mastered ISO which has every version of XP in both OEM and retail flavours on the one CD. Thanks Tom - Am dl as we speak. How does 9 - 1 work? If I burn an iso (will K3B do?) and boot one of the machines with it do I just choose the appropraite OS from a menu or sometning? If your serial keys are valid and you aren't cloning them onto more than one machine each, Well they should be valid - they upgrade OK - but there is too much mess/unknown on the PCs - I' want to give clean installs to people. If you're doing dual boot, I recommend pre-partitioning your system with an Ubuntu live CD, Thanks - have done this particular op many times This OEM disc could potentially save the day! Thanks Eddie Yeah you get an isolinux/syslinux based boot menu giving you all the versions to choose from. I'm not sure exactly how it works, whether it unpacks a compressed image for the version you choose or whether it just uses the same set of files but a different rollout per version. It's probably something like the latter, because the CD works post-installation whenever Windows asks you for the install disc (say for reinstalling drivers, windows components etc), and the all-important I386 directory is present as with a normal copy of Windows. Regards, Tom -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 01:52:46PM +, Tom Bamford wrote: You're right, any OEM install disc will do as long as you have valid license stickers/serial numbers. I use a mastered ISO which has every version of XP in both OEM and retail flavours on the one CD. One of these should do the job: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=windows+xp+9+in+1+torrent I'd really rather we didn't promote software piracy on this list. Whatever the status and legality of the license the fact is that using bittorrent in this way means you are _sharing_ the (copyrighted) software that you are downloading. You will notice that the vast majority of legal threats have been thrown at people who are sharing content, as such I don't think we should advocate either downloading or sharing of copyrighted software, whatever the source. Thanks, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
Alan Pope wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 01:52:46PM +, Tom Bamford wrote: You're right, any OEM install disc will do as long as you have valid license stickers/serial numbers. I use a mastered ISO which has every version of XP in both OEM and retail flavours on the one CD. One of these should do the job: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=windows+xp+9+in+1+torrent I'd really rather we didn't promote software piracy on this list. Whatever the status and legality of the license the fact is that using bittorrent in this way means you are _sharing_ the (copyrighted) software that you are downloading. You will notice that the vast majority of legal threats have been thrown at people who are sharing content, as such I don't think we should advocate either downloading or sharing of copyrighted software, whatever the source. Thanks, Al. My apologies, I wouldn't encourage anyone to run unlicensed commercial software, though there is an arguable legal difference between the distribution medium and the license. It won't do you any good to download and install this anyway unless you have a valid unique license key, MS product activation will see to it that your system completely disables itself if you run unlicensed for over 30 days. Tom -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
Tom Bamford wrote: Alan Pope wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 01:52:46PM +, Tom Bamford wrote: You're right, any OEM install disc will do as long as you have valid license stickers/serial numbers. I use a mastered ISO which has every version of XP in both OEM and retail flavours on the one CD. One of these should do the job: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=windows+xp+9+in+1+torrent I'd really rather we didn't promote software piracy on this list. Whatever the status and legality of the license the fact is that using bittorrent in this way means you are _sharing_ the (copyrighted) software that you are downloading. You will notice that the vast majority of legal threats have been thrown at people who are sharing content, as such I don't think we should advocate either downloading or sharing of copyrighted software, whatever the source. Thanks, Al. My apologies, I wouldn't encourage anyone to run unlicensed commercial software, though there is an arguable legal difference between the distribution medium and the license. It won't do you any good to download and install this anyway unless you have a valid unique license key, MS product activation will see to it that your system completely disables itself if you run unlicensed for over 30 days. You would have to read the Microsoft license agreement very carefully to see if copying the distribution media is legal or not. You also run the risk when downloading such copies that the software may have been tampered with, so I would always recommend getting hold of genuine media. As an aside, some time ago, if you bought a boxed set of SuSE Linux, it was in breach of copyright to copy the disks supplied. You could install the software on as many machines as you like, but the disks themselves were copyrighted. Strange, but true. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?
download and install this anyway unless you have a valid unique license key, MS product activation will see to it that your system completely disables itself if you run unlicensed for over 30 days. I haven't actually seen this behaviour of late in XP, I suspect they've switched it off (better things to do - Vista etc.) - I had to rebuild a machine a few months back and there was very little left of the original hardware (a hard drive, basically) yet I was never asked to activate and it is still running fine. In terms of sharing distribution media, whilst technically it might be piracy as long as you have a key that is yours and not shared I can't really get excited about it... if an OEM vendor didn't actually supply an installation disk then it's inevitable that users will borrow or copy others' CDs... in terms of what is being done I don't see receiving an ISO across the ethers as particularly different to going to your neighbour and saying can I borrow your Windows installation CD, please, I've lost mine, whatever Micro$oft's wording might say. Yes, it's technically wrong... but in the morning if we're all still alive I'll be happy. Life is too short... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
