Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Jim Kissel]

Mark Harrison wrote:
> Chris Rowson wrote:
>> On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 22:38 +, Chris Rowson wrote:
>>   
 I'm hope you see me as an exploiter of innocent children for posting
 this here. To be honest though, I don't have an agenda or petty points
 to make.
   
>> Despite writing in rant mode, without remembering to include the
>> customary  tags I didn't mean to write that. 
>>
>> Strangely I actually hope that people DO NOT see me as an exploiter of
>> innocent children!
>>
>> Chris
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Sorry, but I am offended by the choice of language like "Ballmer screws 
> over Nigerian schoolkids".
> 
> Are you actually accusing Ballmer of sexual exploitation of vulnerable 
> people?
> 
> Or are you saying that selling Western products to African nations is 
> the moral equivalent thereof?
> 
> Mark

Please don't feed the troll.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Chris Rowson]

> Chris,
>
> Sorry, but I am offended by the choice of language like "Ballmer screws
> over Nigerian schoolkids".
>
> Are you actually accusing Ballmer of sexual exploitation of vulnerable
> people?
>
> Or are you saying that selling Western products to African nations is
> the moral equivalent thereof?
>
> Mark
>

You're not a stupid man Mark, you know exactly what I mean.

I'm not getting into conversations about the sexual exploitation of
children with you. I'm a mild manner person but I won't tolerate that
kind of discussion anywhere - full stop.

Please knock it off - Insinuating that a member of the community is
alledging the filth that you have just written goes against the Ubuntu
code of conduct. I do not wish to indulge in this conversation with
you anymore.

Regards

Chris

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Wulfy]

Mark Harrison wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Sorry, but I am offended by the choice of language like "Ballmer screws 
> over Nigerian schoolkids".
>
> Are you actually accusing Ballmer of sexual exploitation of vulnerable 
> people?
>
> Or are you saying that selling Western products to African nations is 
> the moral equivalent thereof?
>
> Mark
>
>   
See  1st entry, #19, 
#20, #22 for example...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Mark Harrison]

Chris Rowson wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 22:38 +, Chris Rowson wrote:
>   
>>> I'm hope you see me as an exploiter of innocent children for posting
>>> this here. To be honest though, I don't have an agenda or petty points
>>> to make.
>>>   
> Despite writing in rant mode, without remembering to include the
> customary  tags I didn't mean to write that. 
>
> Strangely I actually hope that people DO NOT see me as an exploiter of
> innocent children!
>
> Chris

Chris,

Sorry, but I am offended by the choice of language like "Ballmer screws 
over Nigerian schoolkids".

Are you actually accusing Ballmer of sexual exploitation of vulnerable 
people?

Or are you saying that selling Western products to African nations is 
the moral equivalent thereof?

Mark

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Dougie Richardson]

Hi Mark,

On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 21:57 +, Mark Harrison wrote:
> In fact, the person who's complaining in this article is the guy who 
> came in second in a procurement round, and he's throwing mud around and 
> hoping some of it sticks.

I see where you coming from but that's not how I read the article:

"So we closed the deal, we got the order, we qualified the software, e
got the machine shipped. In other word, we did our job. I understand the
machine are being delivered right now.

And then, today, we hear from the customer a totally different story:
“we shall pay for the Mandriva Software as agreed, but we shall replace
it by Windows afterward.”"

Maybe I'm missing something here but surely if they took delivery and
paid then he hasn't "lost" a procurement round.

Just my tuppence.

Cheers,

Dougie Richardson




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Chris Rowson]

On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 22:38 +, Chris Rowson wrote:
> > I'm hope you see me as an exploiter of innocent children for posting
> > this here. To be honest though, I don't have an agenda or petty points
> > to make.
> 
Despite writing in rant mode, without remembering to include the
customary  tags I didn't mean to write that. 

Strangely I actually hope that people DO NOT see me as an exploiter of
innocent children!

Chris



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Chris Rowson]

> Chris Rowson wrote:
> > I just read this. Sickening isn't it!
> >
> >   
> Not to me it isn't.
> 
> The Nigerian government aren't complaining. The Nigerian people aren't 
> complaining.
> 
> [Or if they are, someone post a link and tell me about what]
> 
> In fact, the person who's complaining in this article is the guy who 
> came in second in a procurement round, and he's throwing mud around and 
> hoping some of it sticks.

Mark,

Viewed against a backdrop of other MS activities - (see the other post
in this thread about previous MS jollies into Africa) you'll see that
this *may* run deeper than one guy sulking as he looses out in a
procurement round...

> 
> I'm well aware that Microsoft have played dirty in the past, but I 
> believe in this pesky little thing called "any evidence whatsoever" 
> before assuming that somehow children are being screwed over.

I believe on the 'fool me once' principle. 

> I don't use Ubuntu because I somehow think that it's "truth justice and 
> righteousness" I use it because it's better

OK. Fair enough, that's your choice. I'm not really that bothered why
people use Ubuntu to be fair. I'm just happy that they do.

> 
> What I _do_ find offensive is the fact that some people are jumping in 
> the "kids are getting screwed" bandwagon, and will try to exploit the 
> images of some of the worlds most vulnerable people to make their own 
> petty points about "free software".

I'm hope you see me as an exploiter of innocent children for posting
this here. To be honest though, I don't have an agenda or petty points
to make.

> 
> One of the reasons I like Ubuntu is that Canonical seem to have a policy 
> of NOT descending to this kind of game, and concentrating on making 
> Linux BETTER.
> 
> That I can respect.
> 
> 
> Mark





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Mark Harrison]

Chris Rowson wrote:
> I just read this. Sickening isn't it!
>
>   
Not to me it isn't.

The Nigerian government aren't complaining. The Nigerian people aren't 
complaining.

[Or if they are, someone post a link and tell me about what]

In fact, the person who's complaining in this article is the guy who 
came in second in a procurement round, and he's throwing mud around and 
hoping some of it sticks.


I'm well aware that Microsoft have played dirty in the past, but I 
believe in this pesky little thing called "any evidence whatsoever" 
before assuming that somehow children are being screwed over.

I don't use Ubuntu because I somehow think that it's "truth justice and 
righteousness" I use it because it's better


What I _do_ find offensive is the fact that some people are jumping in 
the "kids are getting screwed" bandwagon, and will try to exploit the 
images of some of the worlds most vulnerable people to make their own 
petty points about "free software".


One of the reasons I like Ubuntu is that Canonical seem to have a policy 
of NOT descending to this kind of game, and concentrating on making 
Linux BETTER.

That I can respect.


Mark


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Dougie Richardson]

Yes I wondered if that was a coincidence.

On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 21:09 +, Skeg Fast wrote:
> > Well at least now we know why Mr Gates was trying to get into Nigeria 
> > when he had his visa application rejected. 
> > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/13/212125
> > 
> 
> Sorry, missed a 0 from the link.
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/13/2121250
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Rob Beard]

Chris Rowson wrote:
> I just read this. Sickening isn't it!
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/01/mandriva_ceo_posts_open_letter_to_steve_ballmer/
> 

This is exactly we keep fighting the corner for Linux, I'm trying to get 
Linux into as many places as possible (for instance, community centres 
and charities with little funds to be spending on M$ licences in my 
local area).  Although it's not 17,000 desktops, they all start to add up.

Rob



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Skeg Fast]

> Well at least now we know why Mr Gates was trying to get into Nigeria 
> when he had his visa application rejected. 
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/13/212125
> 

Sorry, missed a 0 from the link.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/13/2121250

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Skeg Fast]

John Levin wrote:
> Chris Rowson wrote:
>> I just read this. Sickening isn't it!
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/01/mandriva_ceo_posts_open_letter_to_steve_ballmer/
>>
>>
> 
> MS have been playing these games in Africa for some time: in 2002, they 
> offered Schoolnet Namibia Office Pro for free, in a deal that would have 
> required some $9,000 for the OS.
> 
> Gory details here: 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/10/31/namibia_wisely_spurns_m_gift/
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 

Well at least now we know why Mr Gates was trying to get into Nigeria 
when he had his visa application rejected. 
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/13/212125

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[Dougie Richardson]

Yes I read it this afternoon. I'm sure there about a million spam and
scam related jokes that could be made here.

Dougie

On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 20:24 +, Chris Rowson wrote:
> I just read this. Sickening isn't it!
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/01/mandriva_ceo_posts_open_letter_to_steve_ballmer/


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

[John Levin]

Chris Rowson wrote:
> I just read this. Sickening isn't it!
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/01/mandriva_ceo_posts_open_letter_to_steve_ballmer/
> 
> 

MS have been playing these games in Africa for some time: in 2002, they 
offered Schoolnet Namibia Office Pro for free, in a deal that would have 
required some $9,000 for the OS.

Gory details here: 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/10/31/namibia_wisely_spurns_m_gift/

John



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