Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a customised version of GIMP called Gimpshop which, I am told, brings the product much closer to the Photoshop look/feel... the website implies that in terms of the multiple windows vs. single windows debate that is resolved for only Windows users (deweirdify or something), so it might be worth Jai considering running Gimpshop under wine, perhaps? Eh? There is a Linux version too... DEB package: http://rapidshare.com/files/86270575/gimpshop_2.2.11-1_i386.deb SRC: http://rapidshare.com/files/86270572/gimp-2.2.8.tar.bz2 -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/22/08, Paul Tansom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-02-20 23:08]: I disagree. The GIMP has a difficult user interface. Photoshop was extremely easy to learn to use where as I've never managed to get anywhere with GIMP. The way it is now whenever I need a photo edited or an image created/modified I ask a Windows/Photoshop user to do the task for me - that's definitely not the intended result. ** end quote [Jai Harrison] Personally I've always been quite happy with GIMP. When I first started using it there was a small culture shock from not having a menu bar across the top, but it took a matter of minutes to get used to that. I'm no power user though. I think Jai is being extremely harsh... there are positives and negatives about the way that GIMP presents itself, but on aggregate (for me at least) it makes very little difference... if anything, I'd say that having used it for several years now I probably prefer the GIMP presentation to that of, say, Photoshop as it empowers me to put each window/image/toolbox etc. where I want it rather than where the software says I must. The combination of price tag and an unwillingness to use pirated software mean I've never even seen Photoshop, and it doesn't even figure in my top 100 apps I'd like to see ported to Linux :) I've no idea how representative Elements is of the Photoshop UI (likely not at all), but I'm not a big fan of that from using it on my parents PC. There is a customised version of GIMP called Gimpshop which, I am told, brings the product much closer to the Photoshop look/feel... the website implies that in terms of the multiple windows vs. single windows debate that is resolved for only Windows users (deweirdify or something), so it might be worth Jai considering running Gimpshop under wine, perhaps? Perhaps I'm just atypical when it comes to software. So many people consider Dreamweaver the ultimate web development package, but from what little I've seen of it I'd actively avoid it, and I've not been enthusiastic about what little experience I've had of Contribute. I was trying to help somebody design a website on Wednesday, who was using Dreamweaver, and I must admit it brought back nightmares and reinforced my view that the best WYSIWYG for web development is a plain tried and tested text editor (vi, emacs or whatever) used in combinatin with a couple of open browsers... ;-) Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Talking about said image software above, its like a distro, everyone likes a different flavour... I like them both for doing different things, depends What, When, Where really... -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
Eh? There is a Linux version too... I am aware of this, but the website says... GIMPshop modifies the menu structure to closely match Photoshop's, adjusts the program's terminology to match Adobe's, and, in the Windowshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windowsversion, uses a plugin called 'Deweirdifier' to combine the application's numerous windows in a similar manner to the MDIhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_document_interfacesystem used by most Windows graphics packages. http://gimpshop.com ...and, in the Windows version... appears to imply that the Linux version doesn't have the windows combined, which appeared to be on of Jai's main gripes with GIMP... I do not know for sure because I haven't ever installed the thing. Perhaps somebody who has will be able to clarify the situation. Sean ps. Jai's Windows-using friends ought to be targeted by the Ubuntu evangelists... think of all the time they'd have on their hands if they were no longer capable of doing all his photo/image manipulation for him, lol!! As good a reason to change OS as any, methinks... ;-) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eh? There is a Linux version too... I am aware of this, but the website says... GIMPshop modifies the menu structure to closely match Photoshop's, adjusts the program's terminology to match Adobe's, and, in the Windows version, uses a plugin called 'Deweirdifier' to combine the application's numerous windows in a similar manner to the MDI system used by most Windows graphics packages. http://gimpshop.com ...and, in the Windows version... appears to imply that the Linux version doesn't have the windows combined, which appeared to be on of Jai's main gripes with GIMP... I do not know for sure because I haven't ever installed the thing. Perhaps somebody who has will be able to clarify the situation. Sean ps. Jai's Windows-using friends ought to be targeted by the Ubuntu evangelists... think of all the time they'd have on their hands if they were no longer capable of doing all his photo/image manipulation for him, lol!! As good a reason to change OS as any, methinks... ;-) I see.. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On 2/22/08, Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps. Jai's Windows-using friends ought to be targeted by the Ubuntu evangelists... think of all the time they'd have on their hands if they were no longer capable of doing all his photo/image manipulation for him, lol!! As good a reason to change OS as any, methinks... ;-) I've tried showing them the light before but they continue to refuse to so much as try Pidgin, let alone a new operating system. Their general approach to free alternatives is that the software they use already meets their requirements so they've no reason (that matters to them) to change. I can understand why people who have never used Photoshop might not find the GIMP complicated to use - especially if they've spent time learning to use it but it presents a problem to people who are used to image tool standards (such as those used in Photoshop and Paintshop). The GIMP manages to be completely different in my eyes (and I'm sure everyone else who complains about the GIMP). GNU/Linux programs and Desktop Environments inherit a lot of standards from Windows and Mac OSes. AbiWord, Microsoft Word and Open Office Writer all follow similar user interface standards and, as a result, people can easily use one after having originally learnt another. The same applies for Evolution, Thunderbird and Microsoft Outlook. In fact, the same applies for most photo editing and image manipulation programs too - GIMP is the exception. As GIMP is, apparently, *THE* image editing tool for Linux and the only choice people are presented with when it comes to image editing it is a SERIOUS problem that it does everything so differently. You may consider my views harsh but, unless anyone else can explain why everyone that finds GIMP impossible to use is complaining, then it's the truth. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 06:59:04PM +, Jai Harrison wrote: I can understand why people who have never used Photoshop might not find the GIMP complicated to use - especially if they've spent time learning to use it but it presents a problem to people who are used to image tool standards (such as those used in Photoshop and Paintshop). The GIMP manages to be completely different in my eyes (and I'm sure everyone else who complains about the GIMP). I used to use Photoshop on a Mac at Uni many years ago, also I used PSP at home in the Windows 3.1 days before I switched to Linux. GNU/Linux programs and Desktop Environments inherit a lot of standards from Windows and Mac OSes. AbiWord, Microsoft Word and Open Office Writer all follow similar user interface standards and, as a result, people can easily use one after having originally learnt another. The same applies for Evolution, Thunderbird and Microsoft Outlook. In fact, the same applies for most photo editing and image manipulation programs too - GIMP is the exception. Maybe it's because it's been such a long time since I used Photoshop, but what is so different about the GIMP? For me it was a complete replacement in a very short time. I've never looked back or missed anything from the closed source apps. -Gav -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk I think we need to: Deflect the particle condenser signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 23:49 +, Chris Rowson wrote: By design, WINE is complete when it can replicate and translate all of windows programming system signals. By doing this, google will make the entire WINE base a bit more stable, rather than less, which means this will probably help many more programs become more compatible than just Photoshop. Very true, but Windows is a moving target. WINE needs constant work to follow that so I appreciate any help they get. However the more closed source applications that can be replaced with full featured and complete open source applications the better for everyone. In an ideal world, we wouldn't need WINE at all. But the reality is many people do. -Gav I think that when any business is willing to put money into making Linux more compatible with mainstream software like photoshop then we can only say thanks and give them our support. Chris I think the reason why this has happened is because on all the what windows app would you like port to linux questionnaires PhotoShop is always near the top. -- Seek That Thy Might Know signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
** Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-02-20 23:08]: On 2/20/08, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jai Harrison wrote: Is this is what the effects of a difficult user interface in the GIMP are? Different is not the same as difficult, it is just a different way of working. It does not take a long time to get used to really, the same as it take time to learn how to use Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro. I disagree. The GIMP has a difficult user interface. Photoshop was extremely easy to learn to use where as I've never managed to get anywhere with GIMP. The way it is now whenever I need a photo edited or an image created/modified I ask a Windows/Photoshop user to do the task for me - that's definitely not the intended result. ** end quote [Jai Harrison] Personally I've always been quite happy with GIMP. When I first started using it there was a small culture shock from not having a menu bar across the top, but it took a matter of minutes to get used to that. I'm no power user though. The combination of price tag and an unwillingness to use pirated software mean I've never even seen Photoshop, and it doesn't even figure in my top 100 apps I'd like to see ported to Linux :) I've no idea how representative Elements is of the Photoshop UI (likely not at all), but I'm not a big fan of that from using it on my parents PC. Perhaps I'm just atypical when it comes to software. So many people consider Dreamweaver the ultimate web development package, but from what little I've seen of it I'd actively avoid it, and I've not been enthusiastic about what little experience I've had of Contribute. -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 == Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On 2/22/08, Paul Tansom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-02-20 23:08]: I disagree. The GIMP has a difficult user interface. Photoshop was extremely easy to learn to use where as I've never managed to get anywhere with GIMP. The way it is now whenever I need a photo edited or an image created/modified I ask a Windows/Photoshop user to do the task for me - that's definitely not the intended result. ** end quote [Jai Harrison] Personally I've always been quite happy with GIMP. When I first started using it there was a small culture shock from not having a menu bar across the top, but it took a matter of minutes to get used to that. I'm no power user though. I think Jai is being extremely harsh... there are positives and negatives about the way that GIMP presents itself, but on aggregate (for me at least) it makes very little difference... if anything, I'd say that having used it for several years now I probably prefer the GIMP presentation to that of, say, Photoshop as it empowers me to put each window/image/toolbox etc. where I want it rather than where the software says I must. The combination of price tag and an unwillingness to use pirated software mean I've never even seen Photoshop, and it doesn't even figure in my top 100 apps I'd like to see ported to Linux :) I've no idea how representative Elements is of the Photoshop UI (likely not at all), but I'm not a big fan of that from using it on my parents PC. There is a customised version of GIMP called Gimpshop which, I am told, brings the product much closer to the Photoshop look/feel... the website implies that in terms of the multiple windows vs. single windows debate that is resolved for only Windows users (deweirdify or something), so it might be worth Jai considering running Gimpshop under wine, perhaps? Perhaps I'm just atypical when it comes to software. So many people consider Dreamweaver the ultimate web development package, but from what little I've seen of it I'd actively avoid it, and I've not been enthusiastic about what little experience I've had of Contribute. I was trying to help somebody design a website on Wednesday, who was using Dreamweaver, and I must admit it brought back nightmares and reinforced my view that the best WYSIWYG for web development is a plain tried and tested text editor (vi, emacs or whatever) used in combinatin with a couple of open browsers... ;-) Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
- Gavin Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:51:24PM +, Jai Harrison wrote: Is this is what the effects of a difficult user interface in the GIMP are? I really like the interface on The GIMP and it does everything I need, but there are some features that photographers working in print need that the GIMP doesn't yet have. Why google are spending money on WINE and Photoshop rather than adding those features to GIMP I don't know. It would seem to me that adding these features to GIMP would provide them to everyone for free forever, while propping up WINE+Photoshop is only good for owners of the current version of Photoshop. By design, WINE is complete when it can replicate and translate all of windows programming system signals. By doing this, google will make the entire WINE base a bit more stable, rather than less, which means this will probably help many more programs become more compatible than just Photoshop. Johnathon -- Blog: http://www.kirrus.co.uk UK Plone Hosting: http://www.plone-hosting.co.uk RPG: Lt Aieron Peters, XO DS5. http://ds5.brisub.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
On 2/20/08, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jai Harrison wrote: Is this is what the effects of a difficult user interface in the GIMP are? Different is not the same as difficult, it is just a different way of working. It does not take a long time to get used to really, the same as it take time to learn how to use Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro. I disagree. The GIMP has a difficult user interface. Photoshop was extremely easy to learn to use where as I've never managed to get anywhere with GIMP. The way it is now whenever I need a photo edited or an image created/modified I ask a Windows/Photoshop user to do the task for me - that's definitely not the intended result. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Funds Work for Photoshop on Linux
By design, WINE is complete when it can replicate and translate all of windows programming system signals. By doing this, google will make the entire WINE base a bit more stable, rather than less, which means this will probably help many more programs become more compatible than just Photoshop. Very true, but Windows is a moving target. WINE needs constant work to follow that so I appreciate any help they get. However the more closed source applications that can be replaced with full featured and complete open source applications the better for everyone. In an ideal world, we wouldn't need WINE at all. But the reality is many people do. -Gav I think that when any business is willing to put money into making Linux more compatible with mainstream software like photoshop then we can only say thanks and give them our support. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
