Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion
Thank you for all of your answers. And the winner is Ubuntu ! I'd already more or less made up my mind, but this helped me justify it to colleagues. Thanks Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion
Quoting Andrew Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hello Matthew, > > ASB> Or X11?! ;-) > > MMW> That one's easy, some of the PHP libraries that use > > GD and similar rely on the underlying X11 > > functionality. > > I use php, but what is "GD"? > > - Andy Ball. LibGD allows you to create graphics on the fly using PHP. This means that you can use data in a database to create graphs on the fly by calling the php-script instead of an image: This executes the php script and puts an image in its place. It's definitely worth a look, used properly it can work really well! M. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion
Hello Matthew, ASB> Or X11?! ;-) MMW> That one's easy, some of the PHP libraries that use > GD and similar rely on the underlying X11 > functionality. I use php, but what is "GD"? - Andy Ball. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion
Quoting Andrew Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hello Dave, > > DW> Why have ANY window manager on a server!? > > Or X11?! ;-) That one's easy, some of the PHP libraries that use GD and similar rely on the underlying X11 functionality. M. -- Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.truthisfreedom.org.uk/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion
Hello Dave, DW> Why have ANY window manager on a server!? Or X11?! ;-) - Andy Ball -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion
Sean Miller wrote: > though I wouldn't bother with Gnome for a webserver, Xubuntu is more than > sufficient). ! Why have ANY window manager on a server!? Kind Regards, Dave Walker -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion
I'd go for a Debian based solution as that's what I'm most comfortable with, so of your two it'd have to be Ubuntu (though I wouldn't bother with Gnome for a webserver, Xubuntu is more than sufficient). Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion
Chris Rowson wrote: > Hi people, > > I've been wrestling with this question for a while now, and although > product suggestion is probably going to be skewed here, I'm really > interested in what you have to say. > > I need to choose a server operating system to run LAMP intranet web > services with little maintenance and at high reliability. > > I would make the judgment based on what you, or the intended sysadmin is more current with. I would suggest that CentOS, Ubuntu Server LTS and Debian would all make excellent choices. However, in my opinion, there are enough niggles on rpm based systems for me to want to stick to a deb based one. The Ubuntu server platform is growing stronger each week, that would be my choice. It's also excellent timing, with Hardy still being a recent , but exposed enough now to be tested, release. With the time based release system that Ubuntu uses, you know that the platform will have security updates until at least 2013 - which is an obvious bonus. Furthermore, providing packages are all installed from the official repositories. You know that security and some bug fixes will be easier to update. In my experience with CentOS - many more applications/packages need to be installed from third party sources - meaning that maintenance is more difficult IMO. I don't know if it exists on Centos (i'm sure it does), but to help make maintenance easier - you can use apticron (others exist), for emailing you a list of any updates that need to be done and "logwatch" for notifying you of what activity (that you should be aware of), has happend that day. There are some other useful little tools, but these two will certainly make maintenance easier. I also really like "do-release-upgrade" for jumping up to the next release, this worked perfectly on a lot of remote servers from Dapper->Hardy with _no_ issue. HTH Kind Regards, Dave Walker -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion
Chris Rowson wrote: > I've pretty much narrowed the selection down to CentOS 5 and Ubuntu Hardy LTS. Unsurprisingly on an Ubuntu list, I'm going to recommend Ubuntu. I've used Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server on five LAMP servers now, and found it much easier to install and much easier to tweak, mainly due to apt-get & deb . I've also tried Debian and it was fine, but not as easy to set up as Ubuntu. I've used RHEL/CentOS a lot, we use it at work. It's a bugger to set up and the RPM/yum mix quickly descends into dependency hell if you tweak anything. It is very easy to break. That said, RHEL/CentOS is a proven platform for extremely high-demand applications requiring things such as load balancing, whereas Ubuntu is unproven in that area. "Work" happens to be a government agency, whereas my own servers just run middle-of-the-road ecommerce sites. -- Andrew Oakley -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion
Chris >From other mailing lists people have been having strange problems with the latest release of SentOs - nothing consistant but may be worth looking at before taking the plunge. Have you thought about how the servers will be administered/backed up? Are those programs in the Ubuntu repos? If you're looking for reliability and stability, what about going back to source distros for both your choices ie Debion or REl? Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Rowson Sent: 11 August 2008 21:34 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion Hi people, I've been wrestling with this question for a while now, and although product suggestion is probably going to be skewed here, I'm really interested in what you have to say. I need to choose a server operating system to run LAMP intranet web services with little maintenance and at high reliability. This system will be installed in multiple locations, so the last thing I want to be doing is a shed load of ongoing administration, or dealing with unnecessary problems. I've pretty much narrowed the selection down to CentOS 5 and Ubuntu Hardy LTS. If anyone has any suggestions, pros or cons for either systems I'd love to hear them. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server OS Suggestion
Chris Rowson wrote: > Hi people, > > I've been wrestling with this question for a while now, and although > product suggestion is probably going to be skewed here, I'm really > interested in what you have to say. > > I need to choose a server operating system to run LAMP intranet web > services with little maintenance and at high reliability. This system > will be installed in multiple locations, so the last thing I want to > be doing is a shed load of ongoing administration, or dealing with > unnecessary problems. > > I've pretty much narrowed the selection down to CentOS 5 and Ubuntu Hardy LTS. > > If anyone has any suggestions, pros or cons for either systems I'd > love to hear them. > > Chris > > Chris, I've not got the time now to go into it.. however, one organisation I work for had to make that decision about 2 years ago. We went with CentOS. However, we're very much in the ubuntu camp now.. yet the barrier to switching some services across is high enough to prevent it at the moment. At the end of it all, I guess is down to whether you prefer debs or rpms. Centos5 is a good system, and has worked well for us. However, I would like to move the stuff we have across to ubuntu/debian. Our second driver is that for clients, we can offer Canonical third-line support. BIG bonus for those that need it. Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
