Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Pete Ryland wrote: > On 05/11/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Alan Pope wrote: >> > On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:57:17PM +, Pete Ryland wrote: >> >> Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. >> > I do support Nik in his current "role" but do not feel that this is an >> > adequate way to vote. >> > >> > I suggest we leave Nik where he is, doing a damn fine job >> >> hear hear! > > Well random "here here"s are even *less* formal! ;-) Of course, but you may have missed the fact that is was I who *seconded* Nik in the first place. If I get more votes, then so be it! :-) -- alan cocks Linux registered user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
On 05/11/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:57:17PM +, Pete Ryland wrote: > >> Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. > > I do support Nik in his current "role" but do not feel that this is an > > adequate way to vote. > > > > I suggest we leave Nik where he is, doing a damn fine job > > hear hear! Well random "here here"s are even *less* formal! ;-) Anyway, the suggestion was intended to confirm the current situation in at least a *slightly* more formal way, so that Nik can act in the knowledge that we are indeed behind him. I'm happy not to have a vote, and (as expected) seeing as no other nominations have arisen, and likely won't, even if we give it a week or two I think it's a moot point anyway. All the best, Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Alan Pope wrote: > On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:57:17PM +, Pete Ryland wrote: >> Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. [...] > I do support Nik in his current "role" but do not feel that this is an > adequate way to vote. > > I suggest we leave Nik where he is, doing a damn fine job hear hear! -- alan cocks Linux registered user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan Pope wrote: > > Having a vote proposed with little or no notice and no thought for procedure > is as good as no > vote at all. > > I do support Nik in his current "role" but do not feel that this is an > adequate way to vote. > > I suggest we leave Nik where he is, doing a damn fine job, and wait until > after the approval > procedure to determine:- > > a) The voting procuedure > b) The nominees > c) The result. > +1 from me. It's clear Nik has emerged as the acting leader at this point and I thank him for all he's done. It wouldn't be right if he (or anyone else) was formally elected in such a flawed manner. Dean -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFTTY3eedO8dcp9nYRAsGFAJ95J42GIU+MPqbVsh8NqWQ8SWsTIQCfXQdg GccU+jGsiSrPewbHWj+p1Ik= =rcpH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:57:17PM +, Pete Ryland wrote: > Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. > > However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this > should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. > By who? Where? > Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of > November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other > contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on > with more important things. > Nope. I'll abstain if that's as haphazard as the voting gets. > In the case that there is more than one candidate, the vote will be > decided by a simple majority vote system. > You really need to explain that in more detail. What if there's two and they get the same number of votes? What if there's three and the first two get the same number of votes? Is there a second vote? How do the votes for the first round count? Having a vote proposed with little or no notice and no thought for procedure is as good as no vote at all. I do support Nik in his current "role" but do not feel that this is an adequate way to vote. I suggest we leave Nik where he is, doing a damn fine job, and wait until after the approval procedure to determine:- a) The voting procuedure b) The nominees c) The result. Rather than the somewhat gung-ho way we seem to be going about things. JFDI or not. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
On 11/4/06, Nik Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can I just point out that : > > Approval Application needs to take some level of precedence this wee, > if not tommorow. Jono got up and showed a world Map of LocoTeams in > who were Approved and who were awaiting approval. He stood in the Expo > and told people that we would be getting approved very soon. So > forgive me if I want to draw everyones attention to the link and ask > people to consider how and why they contribute to the UKTeam > application. Once you have done that then lets go back to looking at who > gets to take the flak for the next 12 months. Please this is very > important to Jono and to me and to a number of UK Ubuntu developers so > can I ask we just agree to the following > > Lets look at the application > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ApprovalApplication This looks like a great application to me. I like the Ubuntu Buddies and the Developer Mentoring, in particular. Forgive my ignorance about the process you're describing, but what do you mean by approve? > > Then set next Saturday as the closing vote for UKTeam Leader I think I agree with an earlier message in the thread. You're already the leader. Your first task is to set up a process for picking the next one, in a year. -Eamonn -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Can I just point out that : Approval Application needs to take some level of precedence this wee, if not tommorow. Jono got up and showed a world Map of LocoTeams in who were Approved and who were awaiting approval. He stood in the Expo and told people that we would be getting approved very soon. So forgive me if I want to draw everyones attention to the link and ask people to consider how and why they contribute to the UKTeam application. Once you have done that then lets go back to looking at who gets to take the flak for the next 12 months. Please this is very important to Jono and to me and to a number of UK Ubuntu developers so can I ask we just agree to the following Lets look at the application https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ApprovalApplication Then set next Saturday as the closing vote for UKTeam Leader Thanks for reading and thanks for helping. Nik -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Pete Ryland wrote: > Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. > > However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this > should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. > > Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of > November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other > contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on > with more important things. > > In the case that there is more than one candidate, the vote will be > decided by a simple majority vote system. > > Thank you, > Pete Ryland > > [1] Nik Butler has already nominated himself, seconded by Alan Cocks. > I support the aims, although I think that the timescale is too brief for an elegant activity which should endure. I was not particularly aware that the *activity* to progress this was again happening just now. I take it that the initiating actions did not have a timescale stated (?) A list or forum timescale will need to be something like a week or more - people are away, etc etc (or much longer). I would generally suggest a month from a cold start, but this is not cold. The voting should happen here, surely, unless the whole activity takes place elsewhere? For example, I am set up to handle things - here, not anywhere else. Changes (for me) will take time, I do not have that just now. Let us keep it simple? -- alan cocks Linux registered user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Nicholas Butler wrote: > Pete Ryland wrote: >> Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. >> >> However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this >> should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. >> >> Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of >> November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other >> contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on >> with more important things. >> > Seems fair I'd guess some people may not read the list over the weekend - announcing a nomination period that only lasts 36 hours doesn't seem fair. It should be extended at least into midweek, ideally I think lasting a week. > > Term Limits wise I would suggest Yearly renewal of the position with the > Vote during each Linux World Expo ? > I'm not sure what you mean here - do you mean the voting should be done in person at LWE? If so not everyone can make it to Linux World Expo every year - it'd probably be helpful to make the poll online. Dean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Nicholas Butler wrote: >> > or we could use that um how do we use that ? Maybe only LP team admins can do that - Michael Wood (x3n) is listed as ours at the moment. We need a list of nominees first though. > Actually it leads to the interesting question of how many members are on > launchpad vs how many are in the Mail List ? I guess whoever admins the mailing list may be able to find that out - there's 105 people on LP. Dean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
On Sat, 2006-11-04 at 13:57 +, Pete Ryland wrote: > Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. > > However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this > should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. > > Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of > November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other > contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on > with more important things. > > In the case that there is more than one candidate, the vote will be > decided by a simple majority vote system. > > Thank you, > Pete Ryland > > [1] Nik Butler has already nominated himself, seconded by Alan Cocks. > One day is completely inadequate for nominations - especially a weekend. Caroline -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
On 11/4/06, Nicholas Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > or we could use that um how do we use that ? > > Actually it leads to the interesting question of how many members are on > launchpad vs how many are in the Mail List ? Good question, actually. I don't know how to create a poll on Launchpad. It's not obvious. Does anyone know how to use the polls feature on Launchpad? If not, then the wiki page you suggested would be fine. -Eamonn -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
> or we could use that um how do we use that ? Actually it leads to the interesting question of how many members are on launchpad vs how many are in the Mail List ? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
Pete Ryland wrote: > Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. > Thanks, so can I count on your vote then > However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this > should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. > Viva la revolutution. > Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of > November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other > contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on > with more important things. > Seems fair > In the case that there is more than one candidate, the vote will be > decided by a simple majority vote system. > Ive put up a wiki page to track stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamLeader Term Limits wise I would suggest Yearly renewal of the position with the Vote during each Linux World Expo ? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Leader Vote
On 11/4/06, Pete Ryland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently, Nik Butler is doing a fantastic job as our interim leader. > > However, in the spirit of democracy, it has been suggested that this > should be confirmed (or denied) by a vote. > > Might I suggest a deadline of tomorrow evening, Sunday the 5th of > November 2006, at 23:00 BST to nominate and second any other > contenders[1] so that we can get this over and done with and move on > with more important things. > > In the case that there is more than one candidate, the vote will be > decided by a simple majority vote system. And can I suggest we use the poll system on Launchpad, so that we don't all get 100 or so aye/nay messages? https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-uk/+polls -Eamonn -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
