Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 04/01/13 09:06, Alan Pope wrote: On 03/01/13 21:48, Bruno Girin wrote: Very interesting! It would be even better if Richard Collins didn't sound like a politician and actually answered the questions though. Harsh. Some questions are not easy to answer right now, a year before we predict these things will hit the shelves. For example if we commit to a straight yes/no in answer to things like will I have root access then it will come back to bite us in 6 months if some phone vendor or software partner decides that's not going to be the case for whatever reason. Yes, maybe it's a bit harsh, sorry. And I do understand that he can't answer everything right now but if that's the case, there's no problem in saying so rather than providing an answer that doesn't address the actual question. Regardless, it was a very interesting interview. Some community people (thanks Alan Bell) have collated some frequently asked questions and links to media reaction here:- Brilliant! I corrected a few typo and updated the answer about the emulator based on a comment from Michael Hall in G+ yesterday. Cheers, Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 3 January 2013 18:08, SuperEngineer boo...@gmail.com wrote: tact ~ nounvery rare 1. consideration in dealing with others and avoiding giving offense ;) That's why it said please! :¬) -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 04/01/13 09:06, Alan Pope wrote: On 03/01/13 21:48, Bruno Girin wrote: Very interesting! It would be even better if Richard Collins didn't sound like a politician and actually answered the questions though. Harsh. Some questions are not easy to answer right now, a year before we predict these things will hit the shelves. For example if we commit to a straight yes/no in answer to things like will I have root access then it will come back to bite us in 6 months if some phone vendor or software partner decides that's not going to be the case for whatever reason. Some community people (thanks Alan Bell) have collated some frequently asked questions and links to media reaction here:- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone I thought Richard Collins did brilliantly well. In fact it was the only video on the subject I actually watched all the way through -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
i cannot wait for this! I hope this is done well! On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Andy Braben andybra...@gmail.com wrote: The Ubuntu operating system has been adapted to run on smartphones. Article at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868 -- Regards, Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Regards Javad -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 03/01/13 09:09, Andy Braben wrote: The Ubuntu operating system has been adapted to run on smartphones. Article at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868 I am confused by the difference - if any - between the 'Ubuntu on android' and the proposed Ubuntu (OS) phone? I have a Samsung galaxy S3 android phone, which is near to a top of the range item, and I would like to make use of this in a ubuntu way, and not have to await another different phone in a year's time -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
The concept for Ubuntu on Android is essentially an Android phone with an Ubuntu disk image stored on SD card/in memory that allows the phone to be used as a boot device for a PC based system. Ubuntu OS for phones is an ARM based distribution of Ubuntu that is designed to run a phone - in the first instance dual core A9 processors such as the Google Nexus 4, which from reports appears to be the reference model. It's unlikely that it will run on a Samsung Galaxy S3 for various reasons and as yet there are no companies even planning to offer a phone running the OS or Ubuntu for Android: getting a new OS onto a phone isn't as simple as with a PC or laptop. After that there will be similar issues with getting phone companies behind the new OS - the reason that Google are selling the Nexus 4 directly and unlocked is that they had difficulty in getting the US carriers to accept it, so they decided to go around them. s/ On 3 January 2013 10:33, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 03/01/13 09:09, Andy Braben wrote: The Ubuntu operating system has been adapted to run on smartphones. Article at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/**technology-20891868http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868 I am confused by the difference - if any - between the 'Ubuntu on android' and the proposed Ubuntu (OS) phone? I have a Samsung galaxy S3 android phone, which is near to a top of the range item, and I would like to make use of this in a ubuntu way, and not have to await another different phone in a year's time -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood TBA are particularly glib -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 3 January 2013 10:33, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 03/01/13 09:09, Andy Braben wrote: The Ubuntu operating system has been adapted to run on smartphones. Article at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/**technology-20891868http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868 I am confused by the difference - if any - between the 'Ubuntu on android' and the proposed Ubuntu (OS) phone? I have a Samsung galaxy S3 android phone, which is near to a top of the range item, and I would like to make use of this in a ubuntu way, and not have to await another different phone in a year's time -- alan cocks There is a 20 minute video by SABDFL here: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone which is well worth making time to watch. He says that any phone which runs the Android kernel will run the Ubuntu kernel. I also have a Samsung Galazy S3 Android phone and will be very reluctant to upgrade it to Ubuntu as it is a top of the range item unless there is a thoroughly tried, tested and proven upgrade path to take. -- Regards, Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 2013-01-03 10:49, Simon Greenwood wrote: ... the reason that Google are selling the Nexus 4 directly and unlocked is that they had difficulty in getting the US carriers to accept it, so they decided to go around them. [cite needed] Regards, Tyler -- [...] freedom is kind of a hobby with me, and I have disposable income that I'll spend to find out how to get people more of it. -- Penn Jillette -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 03/01/13 10:49, Simon Greenwood wrote: The concept for Ubuntu on Android is essentially an Android phone with an Ubuntu disk image stored on SD card/in memory that allows the phone to be used as a boot device for a PC based system. not really, it was demonstrated on a Motorola Atrix that had virtualisation built in and a webtop operating system running in the VM which was swapped out for Ubuntu. The Ubuntu image is an ARM image that is running on the phone processor alongside the android bit, with a hypervisor sorting them out. It had a docking station with USB and HDMI out so could drive a monitor from the phone directly. No PC involved. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
No worries :) On 3 January 2013 11:54, Tyler J. Wagner ty...@tolaris.com wrote: Sorry for coming off so snarky. I would like to know more about it. From what I've seen from previous Google phones, and their unwillingness to lock the platform (yay!), I doubt they're particularly interested in partnering with mobile operators. Regards, Tyler On 2013-01-03 11:48, Simon Greenwood wrote: I can't find the story that I saw that in now, and searching for it suggests that Google are now pointing US customers at T-Mobile. The point is more that it's the cheapest unlocked phone on the market at the moment. s/ On 3 January 2013 11:33, Tyler J. Wagner ty...@tolaris.com mailto:ty...@tolaris.com wrote: On 2013-01-03 10:49, Simon Greenwood wrote: ... the reason that Google are selling the Nexus 4 directly and unlocked is that they had difficulty in getting the US carriers to accept it, so they decided to go around them. [cite needed] Regards, Tyler -- [...] freedom is kind of a hobby with me, and I have disposable income that I'll spend to find out how to get people more of it. -- Penn Jillette -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood TBA are particularly glib -- [...] freedom is kind of a hobby with me, and I have disposable income that I'll spend to find out how to get people more of it. -- Penn Jillette -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood TBA are particularly glib -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
Ah, that's very interesting - the customer site doesn't go into much detail about the technology. I didn't even know the Atrix ran like that - quite fancied one of those but they weren't taken up much in the UK and I believe Motorola have killed off the line now. s/ On 3 January 2013 12:10, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 03/01/13 10:49, Simon Greenwood wrote: The concept for Ubuntu on Android is essentially an Android phone with an Ubuntu disk image stored on SD card/in memory that allows the phone to be used as a boot device for a PC based system. not really, it was demonstrated on a Motorola Atrix that had virtualisation built in and a webtop operating system running in the VM which was swapped out for Ubuntu. The Ubuntu image is an ARM image that is running on the phone processor alongside the android bit, with a hypervisor sorting them out. It had a docking station with USB and HDMI out so could drive a monitor from the phone directly. No PC involved. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood TBA are particularly glib -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 3 January 2013 10:49, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: The concept for Ubuntu on Android is essentially an Android phone with an Ubuntu disk image stored on SD card/in memory that allows the phone to be used as a boot device for a PC based system. [1] Please do not top-quote. [2] Please also fact-check before you post. Your description is completely wrong. Ubuntu for Android is/was an alternative userland running on top of the Android kernel, to be used when the Android smartphone was docked into a device providing a keyboard, full-sized screen a pointing device. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 3 January 2013 13:15, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 January 2013 10:49, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: The concept for Ubuntu on Android is essentially an Android phone with an Ubuntu disk image stored on SD card/in memory that allows the phone to be used as a boot device for a PC based system. [1] Please do not top-quote. [2] Please also fact-check before you post. Your description is completely wrong. Ubuntu for Android is/was an alternative userland running on top of the Android kernel, to be used when the Android smartphone was docked into a device providing a keyboard, full-sized screen a pointing device. 1. I was using the new Gmail reply interface that doesn't seem to allow bottom quoting any more, wasn't sure if it did so I've switched it off. 2. I couldn't see anything that explains how Ubuntu for Android actually works on the Ubuntu website apart from 'sharing the same kernel' and I'm pleased to be corrected. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood TBA are particularly glib -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 03/01/13 09:09, Andy Braben wrote: The Ubuntu operating system has been adapted to run on smartphones. Article at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868 Here's an interview recorded a few minutes ago by Simon Phipps with the Product Manager for Ubuntu Phone, Richard Collins. Should answer many (more technical) questions people have. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lOpNajx3xI Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 03/01/13 13:57, Alan Pope wrote: On 03/01/13 09:09, Andy Braben wrote: The Ubuntu operating system has been adapted to run on smartphones. Article at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868 Here's an interview recorded a few minutes ago by Simon Phipps with the Product Manager for Ubuntu Phone, Richard Collins. Should answer many (more technical) questions people have. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lOpNajx3xI Very interesting! It would be even better if Richard Collins didn't sound like a politician and actually answered the questions though. Cheers, Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
