Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
My friend in Denmark has now got her Ubuntu. The main thing was, she had to re-make the stick; she had made it wrongly in some respect, the first time. It is not clear yet whether she managed the successful installation without having disabled all the security features in the BIOS or not. If she did, it says wonders for the 12.10 64-bit package, that it can really do all that by itself. I shall try to get an unambiguous yes or no from her on this. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 19/02/13 17:14, Rowan Berkeley wrote: My friend in Denmark has now got her Ubuntu. The main thing was, she had to re-make the stick; she had made it wrongly in some respect, the first time. It is not clear yet whether she managed the successful installation without having disabled all the security features in the BIOS or not. If she did, it says wonders for the 12.10 64-bit package, that it can really do all that by itself. I shall try to get an unambiguous yes or no from her on this. 64bit Ubuntu 12.10 can install itself on a modern machine with all the security (lol) features enabled. it's supposed to do that. If she created the USB stick wrong that is probably the reason it didn't work. Although I don't really understand how you can install from an incorrectly made stick. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 19/02/13 17:40, Gareth France wrote: On 19/02/13 17:14, Rowan Berkeley wrote: My friend in Denmark has now got her Ubuntu. The main thing was, she had to re-make the stick; she had made it wrongly in some respect, the first time. It is not clear yet whether she managed the successful installation without having disabled all the security features in the BIOS or not. If she did, it says wonders for the 12.10 64-bit package, that it can really do all that by itself. I shall try to get an unambiguous yes or no from her on this. 64bit Ubuntu 12.10 can install itself on a modern machine with all the security (lol) features enabled. it's supposed to do that. If she created the USB stick wrong that is probably the reason it didn't work. Although I don't really understand how you can install from an incorrectly made stick. Yeah, I'm saying she had to make the stick again. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 17:43, Alan Pope wrote: On 15/02/13 17:40, Rowan Berkeley wrote: He says: Windows 8 hardware uses the UEFI replacement for the traditional BIOS, like Macs do. Some solid-state drive-equipped Windows 8 PCs boot so fast that you’d only have a 200 millisecond (that’s 0.2 seconds) window of opportunity to press the key combination. That's daft. You hold the key down then press the power button. No magic. Cheers, this is specifically why grub uses shift as the interupt key, it is one of the few keys that the BIOS or equivalent won't complain about if it is pressed down on bootup. You can press and hold shift and restart and get to the grub menu. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 18/02/13 22:39, Alan Bell wrote: On 15/02/13 17:43, Alan Pope wrote: On 15/02/13 17:40, Rowan Berkeley wrote: He says: Windows 8 hardware uses the UEFI replacement for the traditional BIOS, like Macs do. Some solid-state drive-equipped Windows 8 PCs boot so fast that you’d only have a 200 millisecond (that’s 0.2 seconds) window of opportunity to press the key combination. That's daft. You hold the key down then press the power button. No magic. Cheers, this is specifically why grub uses shift as the interupt key, it is one of the few keys that the BIOS or equivalent won't complain about if it is pressed down on bootup. You can press and hold shift and restart and get to the grub menu. The author of that dicouraging claim (about the 200 millisconds) is Christian Cawley, who says he is a freelance writer from the UK with seven years' experience in technical support across a range of device platforms and operating systems. I think I've almost got my friend in Denmark sorted out. We've reached the stage where I exasperatedly tell her that she isn't answering my important questions, no matter how many times I pose them. But The Goal is within sight. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
My friend in Denmark has finally got into the BIOS on her Fujitsu machine (the one on she installed Ubuntu to replace Windows 8 without making the necessary alterations in the BIOS settings first), by hitting F2 when she sees the Fujitsu logo. She has sent me a series of photos of the screens. It seems that she made a USB stick on her old Windows machine, using the special application recommended for doing this on a Windows machine, and installed Ubuntu 12.10 on the new machine using that. There are six photos of the successive BIOS screens. The BIOS is called Phoenix SecureCore Tiano Setup. The six screens it offers are called Info, System, Advanced, Security, Boot and Exit. Here are descriptions of what they show. (1) There is no photo for the first one, Info. (2) System shows System Time, System Date, and Drive Configurations, this last with an unopened sub-menu. (3) Advanced shows Fast Boot enabled (I have told her to disable this), CSM disabled, PXE Boot Protocol IPv4, Legacy USB Support enabled, Anytime USB Charge disabled, Serial ATA Controller enabled, AHCI Configuration enabled, Internal Camera enabled, USB3.0 Controller enabled, Virtualization Technology enabled, Wake Up on LAN disabled, FAN Control silent, ODD Power Management enabled, Intel (R) AT Suspend Mode disabled. (4) Security shows Supervisor Password is clear, User Password is clear, Set Supervisor Password [Enter], Set User Password [Enter], Password on Boot disabled, Hard Disk Security has an unopened sub-menu, and Secure Boot Configurations has an unopened sub-menu. I have told her to open this last and disable any and all secure boot options therein. (5) Boot shows a puzzling Boot Priority Order: 1. Windows Boot Manager 2. Floppy Disk Drive: 3. Drive0 HDD: 4. CD/DVD Drive: (spec omitted) 5. NETWORK: LAN (some hex code omitted) - IPv4 6. USB HDD 7. USB CD/DVD: 8. ubuntu Obviously the question is what the hell is 'ubuntu' (no cap, just as shown. I hazard it is the name she gave to the USB stick, which the system has now interpreted as a bootable device. My first suggestion was that she move this to the top of the boot order, but on second thoughts I decided it didn't sound like a legitimate bootable device, so I suggested she move DRIVE0 HDD: to the top of the list. As things stand now, when she exits the system goes to a Windows Boot Manager page with no usable options on it. (6) Exit is the normal Exit screen, with Exit Saving Changes, Exit Discarding Changes, Load Setup Defaults, Discard Changes, Save Changes, and Save Changes and Power Off. The four other photos she has sent me are as follows: (1) A Windows screen of the contents of the USB stick, as viewed with the file browser on her old Windows machine. AFAIK, the stick is normal. (2) The contents of the Boot Menu, which are: 1. ubuntu (highlighted) 2. Windows Boot Manager 3. CD/DVD Drive (spec omitted) 4. NETWORK: LAN ((hex code omitted) - IPv4 (3) The contents of the Applications Menu, which are: 1. BIOS Setup (highlighted) 2. Diagnostic Screen (4) A small warning window which says Warning Bootable device not found [CONTINUE]. At the bottom of the screen, outside this little warning window, are the options [Enter], Select, Boot, Menu. So, I have told her to disable Fast Boot in the Advanced tab, and any Secure Boot options in the Secure Boot Configurations sub-menu of the Security tab, and to move either 'ubuntu' or DRIVE0 HDD: to the top of the Boot Priority Order (I'm not sure which). But what is 'ubuntu' with a small 'u', and what should the correct Boot Priority Order and Boot Menu orders be? BTW, messages don't archive as items in a continuous thread unless they are direct replies to previous messages in the thread, even if the Subject line is exactly identical. Is there any way round this? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
I managed to get back in touch with my luckless friend in Denmark. She said she was thinking of installing Windows 7 on the machine, which she thought would give her access to BIOS. I replied as below. Comments and corrections will be welcome, since after all I know very little. Windows 7 won't solve the problem, because it won't give you access to UEFI. Windows 8 is not just software; it is also the PROM chips that contain the start-up sequence, which is UEFI. You are stuck with those PROM chips permanently, so I think you will have to go for dual boot rather than replacing Windows 8 with Ubuntu, otherwise you'll never be able to get to the start-up settings, which are in UEFI and are only accessible from inside Windows 8. That's the way they've designed it. Therefore, you must: (1) Reinstall Windows 8, and you shouldn't have to pay for this. There should be a disk or stick or even an online package to reinstall Windows 8, where you just type in your license key number. (2) Learn how to access UEFI from inside Windows 8, following these instructions: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ (3) Install Ubuntu 64-bit 12.10 alongside, not instead of, Windows 8. (4) Once Ubuntu 64-bit 12.10 is installed (which you already know you can do), then begin to experiment with UEFI settings, starting with Secure Boot, until you manage to get Ubuntu booting. You may need to make further changes in UEFI before Ubuntu will boot. All these experiments will require that you can boot Windows 8 repeatedly, enter UEFI from inside Windows 8, change things in UEFI, then try again to boot Ubuntu, and so on until successful. And you will require access to UEFI for other reasons, from time to time, even when Ubuntu is working. So you must choose dual boot, and have both systems alongside each other. You see? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 13:50, Rowan Berkeley wrote: I managed to get back in touch with my luckless friend in Denmark. She said she was thinking of installing Windows 7 on the machine, which she thought would give her access to BIOS. I replied as below. Comments and corrections will be welcome, since after all I know very little. I've been following this thread with interest. Last week, I took delivery of my new desktop from pcspecialist. It was my first experience of UEFI. As the ASUS motherboard is not intended for Windows specifically, it does allow access to the UEFI configuration screen by pressing the DEL key and it gives plenty of time for this to be done. Secure boot can be on or off, and it will try UEFI before using a legacy BIOS. Once I was told that my problem was due to the video driver and not the UEFI I found that Ubuntu would boot OK using the UEFI defaults. My first install of 13.04 needed a LAN driver so I had to build the module. Two kernels later, and support for the LAN chipset is built in! Curiously, the video driver from AMD shows an 'Unsupported Hardware' message in the bottom right. 12.10 seems to offer the same proprietary driver, but doesn't come up with the message. However, 12.10 needs me to build the LAN module. I guess that the only safe way forward is to purchase only equipment that is supplied with no OS or with Ubuntu pre-installed. pcspecialist inform me that all their MOBOs have the ability to turn off secure boot as far as they are aware. Regards,Barry -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
Thanks for all that, Alan. So, concretely, let's take for instance the Compaq machine which I successfully converted from Windows 8 to Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB stick. Given that F2 no longer works, and that the Windows 8 machinery for getting into UEFI us no longer there, how in fact would I get into UEFI on that machine if for some reason I needed to? The answer is, install Boot-Repair from repositories: https://help.ubuntu.com/**community/Boot-Repairhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair I don't understand this whole 'F2 no longer works' thing. Bios was accessed through a wide array of keys depending on who made the machine. Del, CTRL+S, F1, F2, CTRL+ESC and the list goes on. Surely UEFI is accessed in exactly the same manner isn't it? I'm geting lost on this F2 no longer works as well. Did F2 work when Windows 8 was on it? If it did, what did it show? Anything to do with UEFI/Secure Boot? -- Regards, Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 17:31, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Thanks for all that, Alan. So, concretely, let's take for instance the Compaq machine which I successfully converted from Windows 8 to Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB stick. Given that F2 no longer works, and that the Windows 8 machinery for getting into UEFI us no longer there, how in fact would I get into UEFI on that machine if for some reason I needed to? The answer is, install Boot-Repair from repositories: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair F2 isn't a universal BIOS hot-key. It may be some other key, often F10 on Compaq machines. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 17:40, Rowan Berkeley wrote: He says: Windows 8 hardware uses the UEFI replacement for the traditional BIOS, like Macs do. Some solid-state drive-equipped Windows 8 PCs boot so fast that you’d only have a 200 millisecond (that’s 0.2 seconds) window of opportunity to press the key combination. That's daft. You hold the key down then press the power button. No magic. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 17:40, Alan Pope wrote: On 15/02/13 17:31, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Thanks for all that, Alan. So, concretely, let's take for instance the Compaq machine which I successfully converted from Windows 8 to Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB stick. Given that F2 no longer works, and that the Windows 8 machinery for getting into UEFI us no longer there, how in fact would I get into UEFI on that machine if for some reason I needed to? The answer is, install Boot-Repair from repositories: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair F2 isn't a universal BIOS hot-key. It may be some other key, often F10 on Compaq machines. Cheers, Quite right, Alan, it's easy if you know it's F10, and just hold it down during start-up. This is the same Compaq CQ58 I bought with Windows 8, then installed Ubuntu via a USB stick a couple of months back, then had some trouble installing a wireless driver just a couple of weeks ago. It's a perfectly normal BIOS facility, once you know how to get into it. But of course it isn't me who is up the creek without a paddle, it's my friend in Denmark, and I have emailed various extracts from this thread to her and suggested she join the list, I know Denmark isn't in the UK, but this would be the best place for her to find answers to her problem, wouldn't it. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 18:47, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 15/02/13 17:40, Alan Pope wrote: On 15/02/13 17:31, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Thanks for all that, Alan. So, concretely, let's take for instance the Compaq machine which I successfully converted from Windows 8 to Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB stick. Given that F2 no longer works, and that the Windows 8 machinery for getting into UEFI us no longer there, how in fact would I get into UEFI on that machine if for some reason I needed to? The answer is, install Boot-Repair from repositories: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair F2 isn't a universal BIOS hot-key. It may be some other key, often F10 on Compaq machines. Cheers, Quite right, Alan, it's easy if you know it's F10, and just hold it down during start-up. Just for the record, I didn't know it was F10. I googled it. http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/a/biosaccess_pc.htm Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 14/02/13 17:57, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hi, An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 14/02/13 17:57, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hi, An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ 64bit quantal + at that - -- You make it, I'll break it! I love my job :) http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.canonical.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEdLPwACgkQT5xqyT+h3OgcRwCeLDLLD7QCEJpjiSvMM8Uia/R0 8pEAn3HOfaAGbDmhOzwSAPqORKvcYcKe =7vo3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 14/02/13 17:57, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hi, An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ Did she install 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu, Secure boot is only available on 64bit - -- You make it, I'll break it! I love my job :) http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.canonical.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEdLOkACgkQT5xqyT+h3Oh6lgCdEunPLHt2tSpBx87kIOZoyyOP I00AoMnkpF74fqx8NaWH2BxYIWKI+hS1 =34UD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 14/02/13 18:28, Dave Morley wrote: On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote: An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ Did she install 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu, Secure boot is only available on 64bit. 64bit quantal + at that, I understand what you're saying; Only 64-bit Quantal has the license key built into it which will cause UEFI to allow the Ubuntu package to install itself. I don't have this girl online. I dare say she will respond to my suggestions and enquiries in a day or two. I know she confirmed that the machine she was buying had a 64-bit architecture, because up to that point she was following my instructions. I think that she attempted to install 64-bit Quantal direct from the Ubuntu website, but failed to switch off Secure Boot in UEFI beforehand, which should have been done from inside Windows 8, this being the way Microsoft (damn them) have built it. Thus, the installation proceeded correctly, the license key having served its function of getting UEFI to allow the installation to occur. She chose the option of replacing Windows rather than the option of dual boot (another indication of how foolhardy she is, bless her). Thus, Ubuntu Quantal is in fact installed on the machine. But the UEFI boot architecture does not contain the traditional point of access by pressing F2 during start-up, so there is no way for her now to access it and switch off Secure Boot. So the Ubuntu Quantal can't boot, and she's stuck with a GRUB screen telling her so. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/02/13 19:24, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 14/02/13 18:28, Dave Morley wrote: On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote: An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ Did she install 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu, Secure boot is only available on 64bit. 64bit quantal + at that, I understand what you're saying; Only 64-bit Quantal has the license key built into it which will cause UEFI to allow the Ubuntu package to install itself. I don't have this girl online. I dare say she will respond to my suggestions and enquiries in a day or two. I know she confirmed that the machine she was buying had a 64-bit architecture, because up to that point she was following my instructions. I think that she attempted to install 64-bit Quantal direct from the Ubuntu website, but failed to switch off Secure Boot in UEFI beforehand, which should have been done from inside Windows 8, this being the way Microsoft (damn them) have built it. Thus, the installation proceeded correctly, the license key having served its function of getting UEFI to allow the installation to occur. She chose the option of replacing Windows rather than the option of dual boot (another indication of how foolhardy she is, bless her). Thus, Ubuntu Quantal is in fact installed on the machine. But the UEFI boot architecture does not contain the traditional point of access by pressing F2 during start-up, so there is no way for her now to access it and switch off Secure Boot. So the Ubuntu Quantal can't boot, and she's stuck with a GRUB screen telling her so. No you can access the UEFI it just might not be F2. You can turn off secure boot from the UEFI. But my point is you don't need too, with Quantal 64bit it is signed so it can install on a machine that has UEFI and Secureboot in place. By the way it still normally is F2 - -- You make it, I'll break it! I love my job :) http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.canonical.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEdOykACgkQT5xqyT+h3OilxQCgmlYH3AROboQsV42l2EFPU7kq j+4AoI9r7WUWq8MfnZCHcrcCI2I86ZJs =Vuf3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 14/02/13 19:29, Dave Morley wrote: On 14/02/13 19:24, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 14/02/13 18:28, Dave Morley wrote: On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote: An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ Did she install 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu? Secure boot is only available on 64bit. 64bit quantal + at that, I understand what you're saying; Only 64-bit Quantal has the license key built into it which will cause UEFI to allow the Ubuntu package to install itself. I don't have this girl online. I dare say she will respond to my suggestions and enquiries in a day or two. I know she confirmed that the machine she was buying had a 64-bit architecture, because up to that point she was following my instructions. I think that she attempted to install 64-bit Quantal direct from the Ubuntu website, but failed to switch off Secure Boot in UEFI beforehand, which should have been done from inside Windows 8, this being the way Microsoft (damn them) have built it. Thus, the installation proceeded correctly, the license key having served its function of getting UEFI to allow the installation to occur. She chose the option of replacing Windows rather than the option of dual boot (another indication of how foolhardy she is, bless her). Thus, Ubuntu Quantal is in fact installed on the machine. But the UEFI boot architecture does not contain the traditional point of access by pressing F2 during start-up, so there is no way for her now to access it and switch off Secure Boot. So the Ubuntu Quantal can't boot, and she's stuck with a GRUB screen telling her so. No, you can access the UEFI, it just might not be F2. You can turn off secure boot from the UEFI. But my point is you don't need too, with Quantal 64bit it is signed so it can install on a machine that has UEFI and Secureboot in place. By the way, it still normally is F2. Well, in her case it has got stuck in the way I have described. I've sent her an email to try and get her back in contact. Until I can relay your suggestions to her and get her responses, there isn't much more I can say. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
