Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed
On 25/02/13 12:29, Colin Law wrote: Well if the tree view is back in 3.6 then I can't find it. neither can I now, I expect I just saw a screenshot of someone who had patched it back in, or possibly the Mint fork of Nautilus. If you have a read of the original bug report https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676897 it really does seem like the code was just deleted because a designer didn't like it much and thought it might not work well on a touch interface - this isn't something that was dropped accidentally as part of a refactoring of the sidebar code or anything like that, they just don't want it. There could be a brilliant touch friendly implementation of it, perhaps a bit like dasher, but if it isn't in the design there isn't much point doing it. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed
On 25 February 2013 11:31, Alan Bell wrote: > On 22/02/13 09:15, Colin Law wrote: >> >> >> I don't think that logic does not apply to removing features like the >> dual pane and tree views in Nautilus. > > tree views just came back to some extent I think, I saw a screenshot > somewhere last week, but in any case, simplifying the file manager has been > in the works for quite a while Well if the tree view is back in 3.6 then I can't find it. Also now it appears that there is no way to get a full date and time on the list view any more. For files older than a day it just shows the date. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed
On 22/02/13 09:15, Colin Law wrote: I don't think that logic does not apply to removing features like the dual pane and tree views in Nautilus. tree views just came back to some extent I think, I saw a screenshot somewhere last week, but in any case, simplifying the file manager has been in the works for quite a while http://linuxart.com/log/archives/2010/06/20/the-future-of-nautilus/ http://linuxart.com/log/archives/2009/07/24/nautilus-streamlined/ https://live.gnome.org/Nautilus/UIRoadmap http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2012/08/01/cross-cut/ The problem with the influence of "design" as a distinct activity and expertise in open source, both in Gnome and Ubuntu and elsewhere is that you very quickly get to a "patches not welcome" situation - and it is often not clear when patches won't be welcome. I don't know if they would accept a tree view being added to it. This means people fork stuff rather than contribute to it, so there is a nemo file manager that has been forked from nautilus and has some of the removed functions re-added. Design is a good thing, but I think it should be added on top of good architecture rather than being the starting point and backfilling the structure. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed
On 22 February 2013 00:25, Avi Greenbury wrote: > ... > The thinking is not that choices and flexibility confuse them, it's > that people are likely to get it wrong. Every time I've set out to > 'improve' my DE by changing the fonts or sizes of things or whatever > I've ended up regretting it; I am not a good UI designer, and I don't > know what I like to use well enough to be able to actually implement > it. This appears to go for most people. I don't think that logic does not apply to removing features like the dual pane and tree views in Nautilus. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed
The thinking is not that choices and flexibility confuse them, it's that people are likely to get it wrong. Every time I've set out to 'improve' my DE by changing the fonts or sizes of things or whatever I've ended up regretting it; I am not a good UI designer, and I don't know what I like to use well enough to be able to actually implement it. This appears to go for most people. As far as I'm concerned, if software isn't nice to use out of the box then it's failed - GUI software needs good designers at least as much as it needs good developers. Actually, those are my primary reasons for sticking with Ubuntu, not for me but because if I'm going to recommend it to people I should be using what I'm suggesting. I want to be very familiar with Linux's gateway for new users. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed
Gareth France wrote: > On 21/02/13 21:14, Alex Cockell wrote: > >Hi folks > > > >reading the thread on Nautilus being messed up by the Gnome > >devs... someone commented on how MS users may be trading up on > >usability - if they are Windows 7 users - they'd be getting > >hampered. > > > >What is it that's led to the GNOME developers messing it up for > >their end-users anyway? Don't they want it widely used in > >production? > > > > > The myth that the 'typical' user needs a simplified interface as > choices and flexibility confuse them I think. The thinking is not that choices and flexibility confuse them, it's that people are likely to get it wrong. Every time I've set out to 'improve' my DE by changing the fonts or sizes of things or whatever I've ended up regretting it; I am not a good UI designer, and I don't know what I like to use well enough to be able to actually implement it. This appears to go for most people. As far as I'm concerned, if software isn't nice to use out of the box then it's failed - GUI software needs good designers at least as much as it needs good developers. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed
On 21/02/13 21:14, Alex Cockell wrote: Hi folks reading the thread on Nautilus being messed up by the Gnome devs... someone commented on how MS users may be trading up on usability - if they are Windows 7 users - they'd be getting hampered. What is it that's led to the GNOME developers messing it up for their end-users anyway? Don't they want it widely used in production? The myth that the 'typical' user needs a simplified interface as choices and flexibility confuse them I think. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] changes
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 4:54 PM, David King wrote: > Maybe people have been preoccupied with the snow and building snowmen > instead of using their computers :-) > > > David King > Meh I wish. We've only had a dribble here :-( Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] changes
Maybe people have been preoccupied with the snow and building snowmen instead of using their computers :-) David King >> norman wrote: >> >>> Have there been any recent changes to this list, please? I ask because >>> the volume of mail I have received over the last day or so is very much >>> smaller than I am used to. >>> >> > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] changes
On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 13:26 +, mac wrote: > norman wrote: > > Have there been any recent changes to this list, please? I ask because > > the volume of mail I have received over the last day or so is very much > > smaller than I am used to. > > Ubuntu's now so wonderful, maybe there's not much to say? ;-) > > (Or perhaps everyone's preoccupied with Jaunty?) Hehe. More like fixing everything that Jaunty has broken (which is pretty everything right now). It's also FOSDEM weekend and I think a lot of people had plans to go there, though I'd be surprised if many made it from the UK, given the weather. -- David Futcher Ubuntu Linux Developer http://www.bobbo.me.uk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] changes
norman wrote: > Have there been any recent changes to this list, please? I ask because > the volume of mail I have received over the last day or so is very much > smaller than I am used to. Ubuntu's now so wonderful, maybe there's not much to say? ;-) (Or perhaps everyone's preoccupied with Jaunty?) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
